Payment for overstay penalty

04/10/23 Does anyone know where can I pay a fine(penalty) for overstaying the allowed duration of my trip in Brazil?
Can I pay the fine outside Brazil before I return to Brazil?
-@OnlyRoddPremium

You could get to the airport early on your departure day and go to the Polícia Federal office there at the airport to ask whether you can pay before you leave.  If so, you may be able to pay at a bank in the airport.  If you wait until Passport Control to be assessed the fine after you go through Security, they won't let you go back to pay, and you'll have to pay when you return to Brazil.  There's no way to pay from abroad.

@abthree Thank for the feedback(response) .

I already left Brazil.

When will return where exactly, do I need to go to make the payment?

04/11/23 @abthree Thank for the feedback(response) .
I already left Brazil.
When will return where exactly, do I need to go to make the payment?
-@OnlyRoddPremium

The Polícia Federal will take you to a bank at the airport where you can make the payment.  Arriving on a weekday during business hours will probably save you time.  Be aware that interest accrues until the fine is paid, probably at a rate of around 1% per month or 12% per year, so arrive with the money to pay the fine plus interest.

@abthree

2 more   questions ,  can I pay cash ordos they takea  debit card from Canad ?

I suppose we can both pay on Federal in Rio dE janeiro  or Sao Paulo or Bahia or other cities ?

Regard Rodd!

no. needs to be bank payable from brazil. Most canadian bank cards only work as visa debit portion or credit card same situation. however payments with visa I dont think are accepted for paying fines. Easiest way around that would be to reach out to your local consulate in canada in regards to this. advise them of your situation and they may be able to provide options or refusals before wasting money on your ticket. If all is supported - you will pay at any entry point to brazil.

Short of not fixing that they will refuse you entry, they are becoming more strict on this lately ( visually seeing on my in/outs )

04/28/23 @OnlyRodPremium.  Mikeflanagan is the go-to guy for how Canadian bank cards work in Brazil. 

People have written of being escorted to Brazilian bank ATMs to make withdrawals in Reais from their home accounts to pay the fines in cash at the bank.  In principle that should work if the network flag on the back of your card (like "Cirrus", "Plus", etc.) matches one on the ATM.  However, depending on the size of the fine, you could hit the card's daily withdrawal limit before you have enough Reais, and then you have another big problem.

Unless the Brazilian Consulate that serves your province has a better suggestion, your best bet is to arrive with enough CAD in cash (or USD even better, if you can manage it) to pay your fine, remembering that you'll lose money on the exchange to Reais, so bring more than you think you'll need to be sure.

And the minimum 14000$ reais penalty exceeds most canadian banks for overseas withdrawls, which normally caps at about 3500, and with current exchange rates your probably looking hand over about 4-4.3k depending on timeframes

Just increases exponentially after that. so sooner the better!

@Mikeflanagan I have noticed you have mentioned overstay penalty. I am a US citizen married to a brazilian woman. we got a sad news that our visa got rejected due to not passing the fbi background check. it was a white collar crime that I was sentenced to 2 year probation which I completed back in july 2022. I did not have a imprisonment sentence, but to serve 2 years supervised probation. I was told by many people including federal police in brazil that, if I showed proof that I successfully completed my term, I wouldnt have any issue getting a family reunion visa. well, i guess it wasn't our day to get our visa because it was indeed denied. I've been told about Brazil being beaucratic country and seems to not know the procedures including their tax system. any advise or information would be appreciated. I reached out to one of the member on here and he was awesome in explaning things to me but would also like to get feedback from others. from, what I was told as recently is that, I can wait 5 years of completing my probation sentence and that brazil doesnt look past 5 year criminal background or my other option is for my spouse in brazil to find a immigration lawyer and appeal the case. and if I needed to do that, is it an expensive process and a lengthy one at that? another question I have it, I currently have a brazilian visa that was issued for 10 years back in 2015 so I will be ok to enter brazil in october. if i go there and extend my stay for another 3 months giving me 180 concurrently and I stay there another year or beyond and willing to pay the fine, what is the maximum that I would have to pay? I read it was like 10,000 reals..but do I risk that I will be banned from the country? I am so confused about this process. Another brazilian has suggested this route and said to us that you need to stay in brazil 2 years continuously and buy a property and I will have better chance at getting a residency. I know this is a lengthy post but any advice is much appreciated. honestly, I was heartbroken when I got the rejection decision. I wished I had gone to an interview back in United States and explain the situation I was in and maybe then they wouldn't have thought the seriousness of a crime. thank you so much all for sharing the post of amazing  Brazil as a whole!

-@Kris Kim

Hi, A few years back when I was having a small issue, I was given the name of an EXCELLENT professional facilitator in Sao Paulo by another member of this group. He specializes in all forms of bureaucracy in Brazil. This would be right down his alley. If he cannot solve this one, no one can. PM me if interested. He is the consummate professional and has been doing this for well over 50 years. He owns a large building in downtown SP, he has a great office, employees, attorneys, tax people.....

Yeah. ideally what you want to do is pay the fine before applying. because it counts as a detractor. so fine first. then reapply with a copy (cartario) of the paid fine. apologize for not understanding the scenerio. Also find someone like who rraypo suggests, because its dangerous to go alone when you have no firm ground to understand on how and what rules are really there when they are not advocated.

05/08/23 I currently have a brazilian visa that was issued for 10 years back in 2015 so I will be ok to enter brazil in october. if i go there and extend my stay for another 3 months giving me 180 concurrently and I stay there another year or beyond and willing to pay the fine, what is the maximum that I would have to pay? I read it was like 10,000 reals..but do I risk that I will be banned from the country?
-@Kris Kim

Whatever you do, don't overstay a tourist visa, particularly if you hope at some point to qualify as a resident.  Having been rejected, get your appeal in before you overstay your visa;  having your appeal under consideration freezes your visa, and the days during which the Polícia Federal/Ministry of Justice are considering your appeal will not count as an overstay.  If your lawyer thinks that you have a good case, you definitely want to have your appeal on file while you're still in Brazil legally.

If you overstay and THEN apply for residency, you probably won't be "banned from the country", but you probably will be fined, told to leave, and the PF won't accept your application.   

@abthree you have been a great help so I definitely appreciate that. so i first entered brazil october 8th 2022 and I had gotten an extention until april 8th 2023. But I ended up flying out on march 22nd...so technically I still have 17 days left before reaching 180 days stay out of 365...is this the assumption I should go by? my wife told me that federal police at the airport told her that I could not come back until october 8th 2023 even though I didn't stay the full 180 days out of 365 days. And I am able to go back for 17 days before my clock resets on october 8th 2023, If I go talk to a lawyer and start the process of the appeal of family reunion visa that was rejected, would 17 days be enough time to get the process started or you would not recommend it? we moved everything over to brazil with shipping containers with all our belongings last october and it would be a pain to bring them back to the United States. smh. I wished I wouldve found this forum and got some education prior to deciding to move to Brazil blindly.

05/09/23 @Kris Kim.  As I write this, it's 8:26 AM in Manaus, which means it's probably 9:26 AM where you are, and you need to make the most of the time you have.  Since you apparently haven't started looking for a lawyer yet, you should contact the person that @rraypo recommended this morning -- he has helped several people here, and hasn't received a negative report yet -- and see whether he can help you. 

I'll give your other questions some thought and respond to them after breakfast. 😃

05/09/23 @abthree you have been a great help so I definitely appreciate that. so i first entered brazil october 8th 2022 and I had gotten an extention until april 8th 2023. But I ended up flying out on march 22nd...so technically I still have 17 days left before reaching 180 days stay out of 365...is this the assumption I should go by?
-@Kris Kim

I count 14 days -- remember that your day of arrival and day of departure count against you -- but yes, it would seem that you had about two weeks left.  The first thing that your representative should do as soon as s/he contacts the PF is to get the clock on your tourist visa stopped because there's a request in process for an Autorização de Residência.  That's why you want to get that started ASAP.

05/09/23  @abthree If I go talk to a lawyer and start the process of the appeal of family reunion visa that was rejected, would 17 days be enough time to get the process started or you would not recommend it? we moved everything over to brazil with shipping containers with all our belongings last october and it would be a pain to bring them back to the United States. smh. I wished I wouldve found this forum and got some education prior to deciding to move to Brazil blindly.
-@Kris Kim

Seventeen -- or fourteen -- days is going to have to be enough, because it's all you have.  So it's important not to waste any of them. 

You certainly do not want to move everything back to the US at this point.  In addition to creating Customs problems for you at both ends, the move itself would be very costly, in terms of payments to movers and simple breakage and damage.  As you decide whether or not having someone represent you with the authorities is worth the price, that's what you should be comparing the cost to, the cost of moving back.

Once you settle on an advisor, you should follow that person's advice unless it seems crazy to you and your wife, and ignore everybody else's, including mine.  That's the person on the scene with you.  Don't return to the US now, unless your advisor tells you that you should.  You know that you'll have trouble getting back into Brazil, and everything will more complicated if you're trying to work the system from 7,000 miles away. 

Your advisor will probably start a new Request for Authorization for Residency with the PF, not technically an appeal of the visa rejection, so follow the advice s/he gives you on how to address that.  Learn from the past but don't dwell on it; concentrate on getting the new process done successfully.

@abthree to clear up, yes..ur math is on point. i looked and I actually did enter on oct 11th and not oct 8th so I do have 14 days left. now, i failed to mention that I am back in United States because police federal when we extended our stay for another 90 days advised us to go back to United States and do the process there at the Brazilian consulate in chicago. Very odd that she suggested that but she was the head of the place so we trusted her word. well, here we are back in the US kind of stuck. our belongings are at her inlaws house and we have no place to stay or a vehicle or job in the meantime. we thought we would do our taxes, do our residency visa and be on our way back to brazil. SMH...its probably my fault for not researching but didn't think we would get so many different advices or told to do things certain way and it ends up being not the correct way to do things. Many thanks to you and others for your input. As I was telling my wife, we shouldn't give up simply because we got denied once.

05/09/23 @Kris Kim.  Well, try to get the visa through the Chicago Consulate General and hope for the best.  They have a good operation there.

Remember the document concerning the closure of your case that I suggested you get in my DM?  I still suggest that you get that and submit it with your FBI Background Check.  Don't wait for an interview.  At this point it can't hurt, and it may well help.

Good luck.