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nicholsharvey

My wife and I are in Brazil now on a tourist visa, but want a temporary retirement visa so we can live here fulltime. We are both over 65 and have proof of pension over the $2000usd threshold. Can we just go to the federal police to apply?

abthree

05/15/23 @nicholsharvey. Welcome! Unless you  happened to bring all the documents you'll need for your applications along on this trip, with apostilles, you'll probably be better off going home when your current visit ends and applying through the Brazilian Consulate responsible for your state. The basic document package you will each need includes:


1 - valid travel document (passport);


2 - international immunization certificate, when so required by the National Health Surveillance Agency - Anvisa;


3 - health insurance valid in the national territory;


4 - criminal record certificate (normally FBI Criminal Background Check) issued by the country of origin or, at the discretion of the consular authority, and according to the peculiarities of the country where the visa was requested, equivalent document.


5 - proof of retirement and ability to transfer to the country an amount, in foreign currency, equal to or greater than US$ 2,000.00 (two thousand dollars);


6 - proof of receipt of a death pension in an amount equal to or greater than US$ 2,000.00 (two thousand dollars); or


7 - other regular sources of income to complement the amount required in art. 1 of this Normative Resolution, if necessary.


This is the list for the Federal Police. There may be minor differences in what the consulate requires, and you should check their site for their list.

nicholsharvey

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CAN I submit the attached imigration form to the federal police, under category "retired"?  SISMIGRA

Sistema de Registro Nacional Migratorio?

abthree

05/15/23 CAN I submit the attached imigration form to the federal police, under category "retired"? SISMIGRA
Sistema de Registro Nacional Migratorio?
-@nicholsharvey


I've never used the system, so I don't know whether it will allow you to complete the input without uploading the required documents, but the Polícia Federal won't process it until you do.  What's your plan for that?

mikehunter

@nicholsharvey There are two steps to getting a retirement Visa while in Brazil. The first is you have to go through the migrateweb process, which is reviewed by Justice in Brasilia.  After it is approved, your name will be published in the DOU (Diário Oficial da União) and then you include this information in the application for the CRNM with the PF. If you don't have your name published in the DOU they will turn you away. PF only issues the CRNM, residency (whether 2 year or indeterminate) is done by Justice. As @abthree mentioned, unless you have all documents here with you, and you speak fluent portuguese (or know someone who can translate for you and speak on your behalf) you should do this at a consulate and obtain a temporary visa that can be used with the PF to obtain the CRNM.  That way, you can avoid the migrateweb process. If you do have the documents here, they are required to be translated into portuguese, and then submitted electronically via migrateweb. You are required to attach both the original and certified translated versions.


I'm currently working on my renewal with Brasilia for 3 months and I'm still not finished. If you make even a minor mistake or they consider something incomplete they will reject the application and send it back to you to be corrected. Each time this happens, they will put your application at the end of the queue and it is currently taking 3-4 weeks for them to review it again. On the plus side, the staff in Brasilia is very kind and patient, but since we're dealing with a legal process, everything has to be perfect.  Once I get through the process I'm going to write it up to help others, including things to watch out for, but it's taking longer than I thought it would.

mikehunter

I used the wrong terminology, sorry.  When you're in Brazil, you are obtaining residency (whether 2 year or indeterminate), a Visa is for entering the country.  So, to be correct the first sentence should read:

There are two steps to obtaining retirement residency while in Brazil.

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