renewal of the RNM

06/06/23  Welcome Alexandre!  It will be nice having someone around who knows Goiânia.

Yes, we usually just have introductions here and respond to questions in other threads, but no problem.  I'll respond to your question in a thread that I'll call "Staying on in Brazil at the end of a Working Holiday Visa", so look for that thread later today.

BTW, we have a French language Brazil Forum as well, although it's less active than this one.  You can find it here:

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewforum.php?id=4152

Hello Alexandre,

Welcome on board !

I have created a new thread from your topic on the Brazil forum so that members may help you.

Thank you for your detailed intro and post. I think that you have provided quite a lot of information here so that members can understand your situation and hopefully offer you some guidance.

All the best

Bhavna

From corentinl: Hello everyone, my name is Alexandre I am from France and have arrived in Brazil a year ago to follow my girlfriend who has roots in there. I do not know yet how this forum works so excuse me in advance if I am not doing well posting here. I am living in Goiânia, if someone has questions about the city feel free to ask. The thing is that I am currently experiencing a little problem in my capacity to stay in the country at the moment.

Indeed, I arrived with a Working holiday visa in May 2022. Then as the procedure demands it I got a RNM, valid until this summer. My goal is to stay here, but I feel like I am in the middle of the requirements of the two visa I can expect to be accepted. I am working for an European investment fund that have interests in Brazil. As such I am getting paid in BRL, but as an independent worker in my MicroEmpresa. So I cant really demand for a working visa because I am not working for a brazilian company (even if the company that pays me is Brazilian, but have no employees, this is directly the pool for investments). And I cant ask for a Digital Nomad visa too because I do not have a contract as I am an independent, and the structure that pays me, again, is Brazilian. Do you guys know means to get maybe a renewal of the RNM without using visa ? Or maybe a little direction on what I could do/who I should ask ?

Good morning, Alexandre. Assuming that your girlfriend is a Brazilian citizen, the easiest and fastest way for you to become a resident would be for you two to either marry or declare a União Estável. Since you don't mention this, I assume that there's an impediment. If not, I can expand on the topic in response.

The Working Holiday Visa is very specialized and only available to citizens of a few countries. It's not intended for extension, or to be leveraged into a more permanent situation. So you almost certainly do need to change the basis of your residency to stay.

You may be able to change the status of your Authorization for Residency to "Trabalho". The current Lei de Migração (http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_a … l13445.htm ) foresees the possibility of living in Brazil on this basis without an employment connection -- "sem vínculo empregatício no Brasil" -- as long as the work is formalized by a legal entity functioning in Brazil, which may include your situation. And even this last requirement may be waived if you have a university degree or equivalent. (Subsection IV, Article 14 (III), para. 5)

This exception is rarely used. You should consult a labor attorney before your current Authorization for Residency expires to determine whether you can take advantage of it.

Up Please note that I have merged the previous post of @abthree to this thread.

All the best

Bhavna

From corentinl: Hello everyone, my name is Alexandre I am from France and have arrived in Brazil a year ago to follow my girlfriend who has roots in there. I do not know yet how this forum works so excuse me in advance if I am not doing well posting here. I am living in Goiânia, if someone has questions about the city feel free to ask. The thing is that I am currently experiencing a little problem in my capacity to stay in the country at the moment.Indeed, I arrived with a Working holiday visa in May 2022. Then as the procedure demands it I got a RNM, valid until this summer. My goal is to stay here, but I feel like I am in the middle of the requirements of the two visa I can expect to be accepted. I am working for an European investment fund that have interests in Brazil. As such I am getting paid in BRL, but as an independent worker in my MicroEmpresa. So I cant really demand for a working visa because I am not working for a brazilian company (even if the company that pays me is Brazilian, but have no employees, this is directly the pool for investments). And I cant ask for a Digital Nomad visa too because I do not have a contract as I am an independent, and the structure that pays me, again, is Brazilian. Do you guys know means to get maybe a renewal of the RNM without using visa ? Or maybe a little direction on what I could do/who I should ask ?Good morning, Alexandre. Assuming that your girlfriend is a Brazilian citizen, the easiest and fastest way for you to become a resident would be for you two to either marry or declare a União Estável. Since you don't mention this, I assume that there's an impediment. If not, I can expand on the topic in response.The Working Holiday Visa is very specialized and only available to citizens of a few countries. It's not intended for extension, or to be leveraged into a more permanent situation. So you almost certainly do need to change the basis of your residency to stay. You may be able to change the status of your Authorization for Residency to "Trabalho". The current Lei de Migração (http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_a … l13445.htm ) foresees the possibility of living in Brazil on this basis without an employment connection -- "sem vínculo empregatício no Brasil" -- as long as the work is formalized by a legal entity functioning in Brazil, which may include your situation. And even this last requirement may be waived if you have a university degree or equivalent. (Subsection IV, Article 14 (III), para. 5)This exception is rarely used. You should consult a labor attorney before your current Authorization for Residency expires to determine whether you can take advantage of it. -@abthreeGood afternoon,Indeed I would be glad finding a way other than marrying or stable union ahah ! Well thank you for your answer it is a very precise one. I will investigate in that way, that seems promising ! Do you know if it would be possible to renew just the RNM but without renewing the visa ? I am especially wondering if will have to go back to my home country in order to get that visa if needed or if I could have one from here directly. For now I have only read that I would have to go back... Sorry I appear lost but I truly am lol. And do you think I could benefit from the tourist authorisation to reside 3 months in the country ? Like leaving the country for lets say Argentina a day before the expiration of my visa and coming back at the end of the week in order to use these 3 months to regularize the situation. Is it that simple or am I missing a point ? I saw that the fine for illegal stay is like R$100 a day. Again, thank you for your kind help, I appreciate it.

06/07/23  Well thank you for your answer it is a very precise one. I will investigate in that way, that seems promising ! Do you know if it would be possible to renew just the RNM but without renewing the visa ? I am especially wondering if will have to go back to my home country in order to get that visa if needed or if I could have one from here directly. For now I have only read that I would have to go back...
Sorry I appear lost but I truly am lol. And do you think I could benefit from the tourist authorisation to reside 3 months in the country ? Like leaving the country for lets say Argentina a day before the expiration of my visa and coming back at the end of the week in order to use these 3 months to regularize the situation. Is it that simple or am I missing a point ? I saw that the fine for illegal stay is like R$100 a day. Again, thank you for your kind help, I appreciate it.
-@corentinl

I doubt that you'll be able to renew your CRNM.  The Work/Vacation visa is highly specialized.  I'm not an expert in it, but I doubt that it or any Authorization for Residency connected with it are renewable.

Before you go back to your home country, I definitely think it would be worthwhile to talk to a Brazilian attorney, and bring the legal citation I provided above to his/her attention.  Some of these people are able to work wonders with the Federal Police.

Yes, if you leave Brazil and return, you should be entitled to the usual allowance for French citizens of ninety days, with the possibility of renewing for another 90 days for a total of 180 days in each rolling 365 day period.  Each time you change visas the count of your time changes, and the days that you have been here under your Work/Vacation visa would not ordinarily count against your future tourist visa.