Proxy Marriage

07/14/23. Welcome, @ranapakaan.  You can't come to Brazil on the basis that you suggest:  Brazilian law specifically prohibits family unification visas based on proxy marriages.  The existence of a proxy marriage will probably prevent you from even being granted a tourist visa.  There is nothing you can do from abroad to resolve that.

The best thing would be for your wife to consult a Brazilian attorney to find a way to regularize your situation and bring you to Brazil, and for both of you to follow that person's advice to the letter.  This will be expensive, and success is NOT assured.  However, any other course of action is just throwing your money away, in my view.

@ranapakaan dear it's a good thing. You should invite her china I would recommend get proper marrige with documents.  Because I have also got marrige from Brazil she came pakistan we have legally got married.  Because now a day's it's a very tough to get Brazil family reunion visa.  So when you apply for the family reunion visa that you must present your wife because they will not grant you're visa.  Many people are still suffering to get family Reunion Visa from Pakistan as well Dubia.  My visa Rejected 2 time's other guy visa Rejected 3 times.

@abthree I'm not agreed. Recently my friend got visa in February march proxy marriage  family reunion visa from Pakistan.  He was got Rejected 2 time's 3rd time he was got visa.. he had plus point during interview his wife was present at embassy. He was applied toursit business too. Then he was got visa third time.

07/16/23 @abthree I'm not agreed. Recently my friend got visa in February march proxy marriage family reunion visa from Pakistan. He was got Rejected 2 time's 3rd time he was got visa.. he had plus point during interview his wife was present at embassy. He was applied toursit business too. Then he was got visa third time.
-@Mantharali99

If the questioner were in Pakistan I might think that you had a point, except that your friend was almost unbelievably lucky:  his wife convinced a sympathetic Brazilian consular official accredited to Pakistan to ignore the law and give him a visa.  She must have been very persuasive indeed.  I'm not at all convinced that a Brazilian official accredited to China would be as accommodating to a third-country national, even if he succeeds in getting his wife a visa for China; without his wife there to speak for him, there's no point at all. 

He could get lucky.  Lightning could strike twice, but it's not a bet that I'd recommend. 

Didn't get visa from China. I'm particularly talking about Brazilian embassy Islamabad. He was got visa from Pakistan February march proxy marriage family reunion visa. I hope you understand.  Embassy is not grant visa until unless interview time you're wife not present embassy they're mostly reject visas.  Two people successfully got visa during interview both wife's were present at embassy.

@abthree Yes she must have been very persuasive, R$R$R$R$R$, if you know what I mean.  There are no really sympathetic Brazilian officials, just dishonest ones that can look the other way with the right amount of coercion. 

@Mantharali99 sai hogya bhai, wo bol rhe the k ap yhn sy marrige certificate legalize krwa k dy do , m yhn marrigae register krwaongi or apny documents p name change krwaongi. phr apko docs bhejungi to visa apply kren gy to hojyga. kia aesy m koe chances hn?

@ranapakaan aap MOfA se attest karki Saath 20 dollar bank ka Slap bhe scan karki bejhoge phir woh aapko kahengen TCS krwao ya Khud le kar aao embassy.

07/22/23 @Mantharali99 sai hogya bhai, wo bol rhe the k ap yhn sy marrige certificate legalize krwa k dy do , m yhn marrigae register krwaongi or apny documents p name change krwaongi. phr apko docs bhejungi to visa apply kren gy to hojyga. kia aesy m koe chances hn?
-@ranapakaan

This is an English-only forum.  I can understand the need to communicate in a different language, but please do that by sending a Direct Message to the intended member.  Thanks.

07/22/23 @ranapakaan aap MOfA se attest karki Saath 20 dollar bank ka Slap bhe scan karki bejhoge phir woh aapko kahengen TCS krwao ya Khud le kar aao embassy.
-@Mantharali99

This is an English-only forum.  I can understand the need to communicate in a different language, but please do that by sending a Direct Message to the intended member.  Thanks.

@abthree Noted with thanks.

07/22/23 @abthree Yes she must have been very persuasive, R$R$R$R$R$, if you know what I mean. There are no really sympathetic Brazilian officials, just dishonest ones that can look the other way with the right amount of coercion.
-@dalezuk

I doubt that very much.

The Brazilian Foreign Service is among the most professional and most respected in the world, and has been for well over 150 years. The idea that a Brazilian diplomat or consular officer can be bribed is as absurd as the idea that a British, German, or American diplomat or consular officer can be bribed, if not more so.

A Brazilian Consul confronted with a situation like this has to deal with a conflict of policies. On the one hand, she has a stringent obligation to block illegal immigration to Brazil at the source, which includes detecting bogus marriages and disallowing them. On the other hand, she has an equally firm obligation to support the interests of Brazilian citizens who come to her for assistance, including the right of Brazilians to bring their legally valid spouses to live with them in Brazil.

A proxy marriage without the Brazilian spouse present is an easy dismissal: it's disallowed as justification for immigration by black-letter law. But if the the Brazilian is present before her and swears that the marriage is real and legitimate, then the Consul is honor-bound to affirm the Brazilian's rights, unless she has good reason to believe that the Brazilian citizen is lying, or that the marriage would be illegal in Brazil.

07/22/23 @abthree Noted with thanks.
-@ranapakaan

Thanks for understanding.  Best of luck to you.

@ranapakaan As-salamu alaykum...Abthree is entirely accurate. Since the Brazilian consulate office operates under an extensive hierarchy of command, even if one officer authorizes you, another will deny you because nothing actually moves until the ultimate authority approves it. Although applying for a marriage license online may occasionally be possible, being married by proxy or online has never been authorized by missions of Brazil abroad as well as notary public offices in brazil.

I can offer suggestions since I experienced the same. IIt is quite difficult to request a family visa at Brazilian embassies overseas, and there is the likelihood that they would reject your request and put a red flag in your profile for future visas. Your most significant option and easiest probability of approval is to apply for a visit visa in Beijing or Shanghai. Once in Brazil, you can register your marriage to your wife, but you'd have to do it from scratch because the notary does not recognize proxy documents. Despite this, the procedure would be straightforward.

INSHALLAH

@Nomad Mundo Appreciated.

As I get legalized my marriage certificate from Brazil embassy in my country, My wife will register marriage in her country and exchange her name on documents still I should applying for a visit visa from China or i should invite my wife to China?

@ranapakaan... As previously stated, until and unless both spouses appear before the Brazilian notary for the purpose of registering the marriage with legal effect, the proxy paperwork is not enforceable. Therefore, I suggest applying for a visit visa at the preferred city.

Make sure to obtain the following documents prior to traveling to Brazil:

Valid travel document (Passport) - Apostilled from Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Pakistan

Birth certificate - Apostilled from Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Pakistan

Criminal record certificate - Apostilled from Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Pakistan

Declaration of Civil Status - Apostilled from Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Pakistan

The aforementioned documents are necessary for marriage registration at Notary and related subsequent applications for residence permits at the federal police office while in Brazil.

** These should be translated into Portuguese by a Sworn Translator (in Brazil referred to as Official Public Translator)

07/23/23  @Nomad Mundo Appreciated.
As I get legalized my marriage certificate from Brazil embassy in my country, My wife will register marriage in her country and exchange her name on documents still I should applying for a visit visa from China or i should invite my wife to China?
-@ranapakaan

You can certainly try to apply for a visit visa in China; if you can show enough ties to China to convince the Brazilian Consulate that you will return to China and not overstay, they may grant it.  Then you and your wife would be able to legalize your marriage in Brazil as Nomad Mundo suggests.  Make sure that you have ALL those documents.

To have any hope of obtaining a family unification visa on the basis of your marriage outside Brazil, your wife MUST go to the Consulate with you, in person, to convince them that the marriage is real.  The fact that you're in China, where neither of you is a citizen, is probably a serious problem.  The Brazilian Consulate in Islamabad is expected to be familiar with Pakistani law, and to recognize and give credit to Pakistani legal documents.  Brazilian Consulates in China are expected to have the same knowledge of Chinese law and documents, but not those from other countries.  If the Brazilian Consul in China can't evaluate a Pakistani marriage certificate, nothing your wife says will help.

@Nomad Mundo JazakAllah

@abthree much appreciated

@ranapakaan please, can you let me know how much was the toral cost of the proxy marriage? Thank you!