Brazil 90 day extension

@Jacksmith60

I believe you will find that the PF always give the whole 90 days extension, as that is what you have applied for. Whatever is left from the first 90 days can still be used after this second 90 days has expired, so you should be fine. If there are any problems, just pay the fine... then any overstay will not be held against you.

05/28/24 @jacksmith60  @Peter Itamaraca  has it exactly right:  at the very worst, you'll get a small fine to pay the next time you return to Brazil, but probably won't even get that; there will be no future negative consequences.  So don't worry, and enjoy the rest of your visit.

The issue is if your return ticket which you must show at the meeting  is after 90 days FP wont  give you the extension , so you just cant pay the last couple of days fine , it would be the best part of 90 from wnen your intial 90 ran out.

Overstays can always be held against you regardless of you paying the fine, you are not allowed to re enter  for 6 months after a fine, and there has been cases of people refused entry after returning after over staying a visa extension from a previous trip..

    The issue is if your return ticket which you must show at the meeting  is after 90 days FP wont  give you the extension , so you just cant pay the last couple of days fine , it would be the best part of 90 from wnen your intial 90 ran out.
   

    -@Jacksmith60

At which PF point have you had this experience?

I have never known anyone have this problem, and it is very easy to change the return flight date, so I doubt that is totally relevant to the PF. But my, and others', experiences have been limited to Recife.

Certainly he can just pay the last 2 days fine, or whatever the period is. That is why this law was created.

    Overstays can always be held against you regardless of you paying the fine, you are not allowed to re enter  for 6 months after a fine, and there has been cases of people refused entry after returning after over staying a visa extension from a previous trip..
   

    -@Jacksmith60

Categorically, under the law, an overstay is not held against you so long as any relevant fine is paid, I am sure that multiple repeat offenders may be treated differently, but I do not know of any such case, as this would presumably involve a complete idiot.

Remembering that the tourist visa is limited to a max of 6 months in any 12 month period, if someone has overstayed then that implies they have been in Brazil for more than 6 months. This means that they will be refused readmission for a period of 6 months, not because of any overstay fine, but because that is the law for tourist visas.

        Overstays can always be held against you regardless of you paying the fine, you are not allowed to re enter  for 6 months after a fine, and there has been cases of people refused entry after returning after over staying a visa extension from a previous trip..        -@Jacksmith60Categorically, under the law, an overstay is not held against you so long as any relevant fine is paid, I am sure that multiple repeat offenders may be treated differently, but I do not know of any such case, as this would presumably involve a complete idiot.Remembering that the tourist visa is limited to a max of 6 months in any 12 month period, if someone has overstayed then that implies they have been in Brazil for more than 6 months. This means that they will be refused readmission for a period of 6 months, not because of any overstay fine, but because that is the law for tourist visas.        -@Peter Itamaraca its only 6 months if you get an  extension otherwise its 90 days so very easy to over stay and not go over 180.

        The issue is if your return ticket which you must show at the meeting  is after 90 days FP wont  give you the extension , so you just cant pay the last couple of days fine , it would be the best part of 90 from wnen your intial 90 ran out.        -@Jacksmith60At which PF point have you had this experience? I have never known anyone have this problem, and it is very easy to change the return flight date, so I doubt that is totally relevant to the PF. But my, and others', experiences have been limited to Recife.Certainly he can just pay the last 2 days fine, or whatever the period is. That is why this law was created.        F

irstly a lot of flight tickets are NOT easily changeable .At the appointment you are required to produce the onward bound ticket within the next 90 days anything over the 90 is not acceptable and grounds for the extension to be refused thay is very clear.

05/29/24 @jacksmith60.  Let's go back to your own words.  In the post that opens this thread on May 27, you asked:

"I don't want to over stay , but is booking an onward ticket before what will be my final day of the extension , and not using it and overstaying for a day or 2 my only option?"

Today, you continue:

"[F]irstly a lot of flight tickets are NOT easily changeable .At the appointment you are required to produce the onward bound ticket within the next 90 days anything over the 90 is not acceptable and grounds for the extension to be refused thay (sic) is very clear."

You seem to have answered your own question, and the answer is that paying the R$200 fine for a two day overstay makes more economic sense than the cost of whatever your airline charges for change (probably exorbitant!) or in the worst case, canceling your current ticket and buying a new one.  You're probably right about that.

The rest of the argument seems to be about there being some additional penalty for the overstay beyond the fine.  @Peter Itamaraca and I both tell you that there isn't.  You insist that there is.  I think that you're letting yourself get wrapped around the axle about the two day overstay, and ignoring the effect of the 180 legal days in Brazil that preceded it.

As a US citizen, you're allowed 180 days in Brazil during every 365 days by the calendar.  It's true that if you've been here 182 days, you'll be fined R$200, and you won't be able to return to Brazil for at least six months.  But if you left on your 180th day, you would have no overstay and no fine -- but you still wouldn't be able to return to Brazil for at least six months.  That's not an overstay penalty, it's just that the 180 days you've just used won't start dropping off your record and freeing up more time for you until six months have passed outside Brazil.

If you had stayed 92 days and not requested an extension, you might have been fined for the two days (or it might have been waived), but you still would have been able to return to Brazil without waiting six months.  It's using up ALL your time, not overstaying two days, that creates the wait. The Federal Police may impose additional penalties on serious or habitual overstayers, but those are rare and wouldn't come into play in your case as you've described it.

abthree, I am not sure if its deliberate or you just havent got the ability to understand , the point is if your onward ticket is later than 90 days after the appointment PF can turn your extension down and that would be probably in the last week of your inital

90, so your overstay if you go out after 180 would be 90 days not “just a couple of days” .

You get 90 days exemption (not 180) which can be

extended by FP by a further 90; if you dont do that or they turn you down because your onward ticket is to late everyday after the initial 90 days is an overstay, I hope that makes it a little easier for you.

ps Ive not once said there are additional penalties, I don’t know where you have got that from.

This thread is about the 90 days extension starting from the appointment date and not at the end of the initial 90 days if it did there would not be a problem.

Anyway I am out of here.

@Jacksmith60

Firstly, I would ask you again, when and where did you experience this? Or is this not from your first hand experience?

Secondly, you say that it is not easy to change the date of a return flight? I know dozens of people who have altered the dates of their flights, for a variety of reasons, so I am not sure why you would find this difficult when everyone does not.

Finally, you are allowed to board a flight to Brazil, and be admitted, if you meet the requirements - namely (as a tourist), you have sufficient funds to support yourself, details of purpose for your visit, a valid passport, and a return or onward ticket dated within the maximum potential period allowed for your tourist visa. A tourist cannot enter on a one-way ticket, and book the return flight later.

In other words the situation you describe should not have been allowed to happen, unless the dates of the flights had been changed (not possible according to you), or the return flight (missed by the airline and immigration) was dated more than 6 months after your entry. In which case you have created your own problem, and need to own it and deal with it...

05/30/24 @jacksmith60.  I'm sorry that you feel misunderstood.  Have a nice trip home. 😃

    05/30/24 @jacksmith60.  I'm sorry that you feel misunderstood.  Have a nice trip home. 😃        -@abthree

There is no need to be sorry,*** be careful out there 👍

@Jacksmith60

That reminds me of an old story.

The Welsh invented the condom by using the intestine of a sheep, then the English refined it by taking the intestine out of the sheep first.

05/31/24 @jacksmith60.  The fact pattern that you've set out is this:

• You arrived in Brazil legally;
• As you approached the end of your first 90 days you obtained your extension from the Federal Police;
• Your return home is scheduled for a day or two after your extension expires.

In that case, the worst that you can expect is a $R200 fine payable on your return to Brazil, if that.

The wild way you're lashing out suggests that you have some much larger concern than that trivial fine, so before giving up on you I'll ask, what is it?

@Peter Itamaraca I get my new Expat.com posts curated with the last post. I had to open it up when I read about the sheep to find out what in the heck the post was about.

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@Jacksmith60 Please don't poke the bear, it never ends well.

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