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if i do divorce, is it i lost RNM?

Last activity 01 July 2024 by saude

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saude

i know a lot of people have similar with my situationi marriage 2 years and half and consider divorceif i divorce, i will lost RNM?i want to live brazil, and try to get citizenshiphttps://www.jusbrasil.com.br/artigos/divorcio-causa-de-cancelamento-do-registro-nacional-de-estrangeiro/158337460this link talking it will not happensome people say, it have to over 5 years, then it will not happenalso some people say, if pf know that i divorce, anyway they will canceli want to try celpebras, but that test have only 2 times per year and not easyis there someone of case, recent what happen about this situation?

Peter Itamaraca

@saude

Whatever visa you have, if you remove the reason for its existence, then by default it will cease to exist.


This does not mean it will happen immediately, and may very much depend on your personal relationship with your spouse, and others around you. But be under no illusion, your right to remain in Brazil, under that visa, will be curtailed.

jonesio


    @saudeWhatever visa you have, if you remove the reason for its existence, then by default it will cease to exist.This does not mean it will happen immediately, and may very much depend on your personal relationship with your spouse, and others around you. But be under no illusion, your right to remain in Brazil, under that visa, will be curtailed.        -@Peter Itamaraca

That's a theoretical answer that, in the real world, seldom applies. I know many people who continue to live here, and renew, their RNM/RNEs after divorce from Brazilian spouses.. I even know one person whose bitter ex-spouse tried to make things difficult by reporting the divorce in hopes of having renewal of her then-CIE blocked and the PF simply didn't care. She renewed it with no problems. She later applied for, and was granted, citizenship (the "extraordinary" citizenship route). No kids were involved. When I applied for "naturalização extraordinária" no evidence of marriage was requested, although I included my marriage document for good measure..

abthree

07/01/24 @saude.  Welcome!  I concur with @Peter Itamaraca, with three important exceptions:


  • If you entered Brazil on a VIPER, the old Permanent Visa that hasn't been issued since 2017, then you have a personal right to live in Brazil that's independent of the status on which the visa was originally based. Even thought the VIPER is no longer issued, old ones are still valid.   The VITEM XI temporary visa that functionally replaced the VIPER is relationship-dependent at all times, so its post-divorce implications are different.
  • If you're past the age of 60 and the validity period of your CRNM is "indeterminada", your status is effectively permanent anyway since you won't have to renew the card.  A complaint by your ex could, at the discretion of the Polícia Federal, launch an investigation, but you'd still have the ability to defend yourself and, if you've established strong ties in Brazil, you'd probably win.  As @Peter Itamaraca suggests, keeping good relations with your ex can prevent even that situation.
  • If you establish a new relationship to serve as a basis of residency before your next renewal.  If you are the parent of a Brazilian child, or if you legally marry a Brazilian citizen, you should be able to renew on that basis, without depending on your previous marriage.


If you entered Brazil on a VITEM XI and you have to renew your CRNM, you and your ex will be expected to affirm, under penalty of law, that your relationship is still in place.  In that case, rather than lying to the Polícia Federal (always a bad idea!), consult an attorney in advance, who will probably be able to arrange a workaround for you.


The Jusbrasil link you reference is over ten years old and applies to the pre-2017 law, not the current one.


The one thing that would be foolish to do is to marry a foreigner and try to bring that person into Brazil based on your permanent residency.  That is a clear violation, and would probably be rejected and put your own status in jeopardy.

abthree

07/01/24 @saude.  With respect to CelpeBras, you can download all the previous tests here and use them to practice:


https://www.ufrgs.br/acervocelpebras/acervo/


I did this while preparing for CelpeBras, and found it very helpful.

saude

@abthree


i got RNM when 2022

dont know what is VIPER


and it will expire 2031

but before that i will try to get citizenship

but idk if i divorce i will lost RNM directly


and im just 29 years

abthree


    07/01/24 @abthree
i got RNM when 2022
dont know what is VIPER
and it will expire 2031 but before that i will try to get citizenship
but idk if i divorce i will lost RNM directly
and im just 29 years
   

    -@saude

VIPER was before your time, then, and does not apply.


Becoming a citizen is a very good plan.  Good luck with it.

roddiesho

@abthree So, I am past the age of 60 but to be on the safe side, I guess I should not forget my spouse's birthday and laugh at all her jokes.


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abthree


    07/01/24 @abthree So, I am past the age of 60 but to be on the safe side, I guess I should not forget my spouse's birthday and laugh at all her jokes.Roddie in Retirement1f575.svg-@roddiesho


That's a law far older and more stringent than any in Brazil:  "Happy wife, happy life!"  And I find that it applies to same-sex couples,  too.  😂

saude

@abthree then i divorce, it will cancel RNM? in my case?


is there site that i can check updated infomation about that?

abthree


07/01/24    @abthree then i divorce, it will cancel RNM? in my case?
is there site that i can check updated infomation about that?   

    -@saude


You should probably be ok at least until you need to renew  your CRNM or you become a citizen.  I'm not aware of any official site that discusses residency status after a divorce, sorry.

saude

@abthree

okay, so it will be problem when renew RNM

after i divorce, for try to get citizenship will be fine

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