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jeedmond32

I want to share my story on how I could potentially lose my residence in Brazil to spread awareness on how the law works here. I entered in to stable union with my gf in april 2023. shortly after that we applied for a stable union visa. In the following months she became pregnant which then unfortunately led to a miscarriage which caused some instability in our relationship. We then decided to live in separate homes. We had not spoken for about a month in a half when she decided to go to PF and declare that we were not in a stable union. Before i received official notice from the PF, I reached out to her and we reconciled our differences. At that time she warned me about what she had done but we were optimistic. I soon found out that coming into contact with PF is very bureacratic and unfair. When I received notice from the PF about my potential loss of residency i was given the option to provide a defense. I hired an attorney and was advised to tell the PF that we were still in a stable union and that we lived at the same address. I told my attorney that we did not live at the same address but my attorney told me not to worry and that PF does not investigate things like this. They in fact did investigate and discovered that my partner lived at a different address. I soon fired my attorney and hired a different attorney for an appeal. My new attorney stated in the appeal that by law living at the same address can be a factor of a stable union but not living at the same address does not prove the absence of a stable union. This along with testimonies from friends were included in the appeal. We did not have any response from PF until 2 months later when the Superintendent said that there was no proof of a "relacao afetiva"in the appeal. The superintendent then forwarded the appeal to multiple other departments, im guessing the chain of command until it reached the general director of the PF. My new attorney told me that this was expected and that they "nunca voltam"and that our best chance was with the general director of PF. In the superintendents report he states that i lost my residence on various grounds that had nothing to do with my case, such as being absent from the country for more than 2 years and the dissolution of our stable union which was never documented and did not exist, only a written declaration that my gf originally made before any of this began. my attorney told me that they didnt even read the appeal and omitted many important facts and that all we could do is wait for the final judgement from the general director who more than likely will not read the case either. I am at this point now, just waiting. in summation, the process is not just and you are at the mercy of delegates pushing papers. you are just another number on a list. be careful when dealing with the brazilian judicial system and make sure you trust your lawyer and communicate your goals clearly with them to not waste money.

abthree

08/01/24 @jeedmond32.  Thank you for sharing your story.  This is important information, and especially because I'm sure that it wasn't easy to relate, I particularly appreciate it.  Any foreigner considering residency based on family unification, and in particular considering it on the basis of "união estável" rather than marriage, should read it carefully and take it to heart.


A number of points stand out for me, and I want to highlight them as cautions to others in the future:


-- If you were absent from Brazil for more than two years that is probably what was definitive in turning the decision against you, especially with the written statement that your ex filed.  I understand why you think that it's "unfair", but it's black-letter law and in this situation, would probably been impossible to get around.  Your attorneys should ALL have been aware of that and warned you;


--  a couple embarking on this situation should get married if it makes any sense at all in the context of their relationship, because a marriage in a cartório can't be terminated on one person's say-so.  If marriage really is not a good idea, at least register the união estável at a cartório.  Without your união estável registered, I'm surprised that you were approved in the first place:  most PF offices would have insisted on at least the registration;


-- the advice you received from your lawyers, if that's the whole story, was simply unconscionable.  I'm not a lawyer, but I've been studying Brazilian laws for over fifty years, and the biggest red flag that jumped out at me the very first time that I read the 2017 Law of Migration, the current immigration law, was "they're really getting SERIOUS about this!"  Contrary to most expats' perceptions, foreign spouses have NEVER had a personal right to live in Brazil, the right went in the other direction:  Brazilians had and have a right to bring their spouses to Brazil to live with them in Brazil, if they want.  The power was always with the Brazilian spouse:  the current law is much clearer on that than the old one was.  That was one of the messages in replacing all the old "permanent" visas with "temporary" ones:  if the relationship ends, the foreigner's residency can easily follow.  So even if "nunca voltam" used to be what was expected (and even pre-2017, that was an exaggeration, especially if there was a denunciation), it isn't anymore.  Your lawyers should have known that, or their research should have told them that.


-- Given the power of the Brazilian spouse in this situation, it is vital to do everything possible to prevent a break up, and if that's not possible  to keep the breakup amicable.  If the Brazilian spouse files a complaint and there's a subsequent reconciliation, the couple must hunt that complaint down and get it canceled everywhere it has gone.  This is a top priority and should not be left alone, because it can and will come back to bite you.


-- Immigration law is not a popular specialty in Brazil, so it will always be difficult to find an expert.  The best you can hope for is to find someone with a good reputation who's a good listener, seems energetic, and is willing to work to get up to speed.  In the absence of a genuine immigration expert, I always suggest finding a young, generalist attorney who enjoys research.  This isn't ageist, it's a recognition that the 2017 law is still relatively new.  In November 2017 the world changed in Brazil with respect to immigration and a status quo of at least fifty years was upended:  the knowledge base of anyone who's only dealt with the old law is hopelessly outdated, unless they're recent graduates, or have been working to keep themselves current.


I'm very sorry for the situation in which you find yourself.  Thanks again for sharing:  I'm confident that it will help others.

Peter Itamaraca

@abthree, excellent response.


Immigration law in Brazil will not bend to what the foreign applicant wants or perceives to be the correct outcome. Too many people think that it is there to help people move to Brazil, it is not - it is designed to help Brazilians, and keep out others.


The basic rule of "leave for more than 2 years and you loose your permanent residency" clearly exists here, and everyone should be aware of it. But some people think it does not apply to them maybe?


Given that the OP "entered into a stable union" with his girlfriend last year, apparently very quickly applied for a stable union visa, split up, then conveniently got back together after the gf had lodged a complaint against the OP - all of this would have been huge red flags to me if I was in the PF officer checking.


But above all, leaving Brazil for more than 2 years is the kicker - you just cannot fight against that...

GuestPoster376


    But above all, leaving Brazil for more than 2 years is the kicker - you just cannot fight against that...        -@Peter Itamaraca


Which is why I did my visa run to GRU in the 18th month during the covid nonsense. To keep my VIPER active.

jonesio


    ... In the superintendents report he states that i lost my residence on various grounds that had nothing to do with my case, such as being absent from the country for more than 2 years...
   

    -@jeedmond32


That, alone, will terminate your permanência. That's why the person who stamps your passport on the way out of Brasil (usually) writes "2 anos" on the stamp.

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