New I.D. card rules

Well at least you tried toon, it seems to be the standard answer they give people when enquiring about their cards!

sadly cut n paste is the curse and order of the modern day office world - i wonder if they were trained or coached by the EU.

sadly cut n paste is the curse and order of the modern day office world.


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:-)

More like paste and cut!

toonarmy9752 wrote:

just had a reply from the MHAS customer care to my email of yesterday

Hi toon. Would you be so kind as to share the email address you wrote to?

pgl wrote:

toonarmy9752 wrote:

just had a reply from the MHAS customer care to my email of yesterday

Hi toon. Would you be so kind as to share the email address you wrote to?

no problem  customercare.mhas@gov.mt

ricky wrote:

Hi Caroline,

no,it wasn't for permanent residency - just ordinary residency.

There is an accompanying letter stating that:

'May I draw your attention to the fact that the expiry date on the said document refers only to the electronic and security features of the card.This time limit is without prejudice to your rights under Community Law'

Maybe someone can explain what that means?

Cheers
Ricky

It means that after 5 years you just re-new your ID card without any application process (like bank debit cards)

Anybody please advice
I am non EU waiting for e-resident card (1st time)
My visa expire in a few days . They tell me do not worry & stay till i get card ...but its Malta ..today they telling its okay tomorrow 'oh..i am sorry'...do i need to go immigration or police ?
or live a country ? I am afraid of troubles cus won't leave Schengen   in time

Hi, did you get a receipt when you applied? Did you get them saying that it's not a problem in writing?

Hi .Yes I have receipt..We doing it trough accouter,they told her ..seems like everything okay

KJulii wrote:

Hi .Yes I have receipt..We doing it trough accouter,they told her ..seems like everything okay

I really don't know anything about Visa's and Non EU residents but I can't help but think that the reciept is in your favour.
Can you go and see them at the place you were issued the visa and give them a copy of your reciept?
The receipt is holding as good proof of applying for residency in other government departments(Department of Education and Social Security offices)

Hi KJulii,

as you received a receipt you should be ok. Especially as you are using the help of an accountant. The receipt means that your documentation was accepted and appeared to be ok.

How long did it take for you to get the appointment as a non-EU citizen with the visa timeframe? Was that taken into consideration and your appointment treated as urgent?

Cheers
Ricky

Hi Ricky
I started in 3July  app had just 26 Aug. Visa exp 9 sep,so thought i had a time ,now realize no i didn't .lol
they know its urgent,today calling & they dont answer .
Problem with Malta is that they insure you in  things which they does not know
I asking accouter questions,she answer after i ask her to check with law her answer ..and she come back with excuse & totally dif answers...and its happening almost every meeting ..Maltese love to guess

KJulii wrote:

I asking accouter questions,she answer after i ask her to check with law her answer ..and she come back with excuse & totally dif answers...and its happening almost every meeting ..Maltese love to guess

You hit the nail on the head there! They would much rather tell you something, anything, rather than find the right answer!!

Hi KJulii,

under which category did you apply for residency? Your residency if and when granted will be for one year or for as long as your work contract lasts if you have a work permit!

If you have been following the residency threads on the forum you will know that it can take months but if your case is treated as urgent it could be faster.

As you already said Maltese will always say yes when they actually mean no . So you can't count on anything but yourself -)))

Getting the appointment on 26. August was already good !

Cheers
Ricky

Just a quick update on our applications, we applied by post and the Department received them on 19th June, this morning we received an acknowledgement email, its not personalised and is addressed to Dear Sir/Madam,I am assuming it covers both our applications as I used one email address for them both.

its a standard response - hundreds are getting this now

rainbow3 wrote:

Just a quick update on our applications, we applied by post and the Department received them on 19th June, this morning we received an acknowledgement email, its not personalised and is addressed to Dear Sir/Madam,I am assuming it covers both our applications as I used one email address for them both.

That's good to hear, maybe I will send mine in then...Do you need signed photos if you send in??

coxf0001 wrote:

rainbow3 wrote:

Just a quick update on our applications, we applied by post and the Department received them on 19th June, this morning we received an acknowledgement email, its not personalised and is addressed to Dear Sir/Madam,I am assuming it covers both our applications as I used one email address for them both.

That's good to hear, maybe I will send mine in then...Do you need signed photos if you send in??

yes, all explained in the FAQ on the Ministry website :-)

Yes I did think so George, I just can't work out where the biometrics comes in?

toonarmy9752 wrote:

its a standard response - hundreds are getting this now

I know, just giving a timeline in case its of help/interest to anyone else

Biometrics only on Maltese citizen ones (and possibly non-EU ones)

georgeingozo wrote:

Biometrics only on Maltese citizen ones (and possibly non-EU ones)

I see, didn't realise that! Thanks

So really, thinking about this, it's even more of a stupid idea. The old certificates have your photo and ID number on it. They really didn't have to put so much work load onto themselves if they had just left it for new people applying as and when they were here 3 months. To include everyone all at once seems really silly!

By biometric do you mean a chip? If so the new eResidence/ID cards for EU citizens are biometric.

i didnt think they were allowed to use and collect biometric data on a non national........ thats something i am 100% against

rooikat wrote:

By biometric do you mean a chip? If so the new eResidence/ID cards for EU citizens are biometric.

No, biometric as in fingerprint.

'biometric information' (fingerprints, facial image and or retina scan).

Not on IED residency card for EU citizens but may be on new Maltese national cards.

Terry

This from the UK border agency website ....

This section provides information about biometric residence permits. It also tells you how to apply for a permit, and lists your responsibilities as a permit holder.

A biometric residence permit is a card which holds:
•your biographic details (your name, and your date and place of birth); and
•your 'biometric information' (fingerprints and facial image).



It also shows your immigration status and your entitlements while you are in the UK.

If you apply to extend your leave to remain or apply for indefinite leave to remain, you will be required to enrol your biometrics as part of the application process.

You see, when I applied for my residency (old certificate,) they told me to do it now before the biometric came in. That gave me the impression that 1.) We didn't need to apply once we had the certificate and 2.) that there would be biometric information on there...None of wich seem true!!!

I think the term 'biometric' in this context is a little misleading and not to be interpreted in the way we would in UK or elsewhere.
I will be applying by post so only submitting certified photos and the other stuff of course.

It's probably on a thread somewhere but, where does it say, that certificate holders have to apply??

The new card has biometric capability, so it is a biometric card, but the biometric functions won't be utilised for non-Maltese EU citizens. Non-EU citizens have their fingerprint on them (unless they apply as a family member of an EU citizen)

coxf0001 wrote:

It's probably on a thread somewhere but, where does it say, that certificate holders have to apply??

it says in the Q&A, as it mentions old certificate holders dont need to provide proof - they aren't applying as such, but swapping their old certificate and ID card for the eResidency card

Hi Caroline,

yes, 'old' certificate holders have to re-apply (re-register).

In actual fact the 'old' residency certificates expired on June 30 th 2013 (by Legal Notice). This was transported through public media last year. Re-registration was required from 1 st January 2013 although the first application were accepted two weeks later.

The validity of ID cards was extended until the 30 th November but not the residency certificates. So,technically speaking, your ID card is ok for 3 more months but the underlying residency certificate expired two months ago.

Only in Malta!

Cheers
Ricky

Hi Ricky,

You're right, only in Malta. I don't think the women must have known at the time when I was issued my certificate, or the expat division, to advise to get it done quickly and then not to put an expiry date on it.
They do things so back to front here!
I am also annoyed, that unless you get the paper, you would not know about it. They have our address's, they could have sent letters out!
Anyway, I'll be doing mine next week in time for uni to start...I need those student cheap fares on the buses!!

Caroline

Ok - got the gist of biometric, it appears that the Maltese interpretation of biometric varies according to which card it is used for

rooikat wrote:

Ok - got the gist of biometric, it appears that the Maltese interpretation of biometric varies according to which card it is used for

They've defined by functionality not by actual usage

i suppose if one is worried about the covert collection of data with these cards then all one has to do is not to allow it to be scanned

Hi Caroline,

you can still use your ID card until the end of November.

Applying for new cards next week ? Do you have an appointment or are you just going to the Evans Building and hoping for the best?

The processing time can be up to 4 months at the moment. Unless you get it on urgent. Try !

Cheers
Ricky

ricky wrote:

Hi Caroline,

you can still use your ID card until the end of November.

Applying for new cards next week ? Do you have an appointment or are you just going to the Evans Building and hoping for the best?

The processing time can be up to 4 months at the moment. Unless you get it on urgent. Try !

Cheers
Ricky

No Ricky, I don't have an appointment, going to take me some sandwiches and a flask of tea lol!

I will need the receipt and hope that is enough to apply for my stipend this year. I'm sure it will be fine and I will keep a copy of my old certificate to show that I am a permenant resident (although they will have it on file.)
I will pay for 3 months student fares for the bus, so that should keep me going and hopefully I will have my card by then?!

Caroline