eResidence backlog.

Interesting. Thanks for the update!

If you look at the new gov website for residency it does not mention any change of venue, it just gives the opening hours.
Also incressing the numbers processed from 60 to 75 per day wil reduce the current waiting list by around 2 years!
Lets hope no one else applies.

Nine weeks and still waiting for new ecard! 

Terry

I estimated at 25000 @ 60 per day 3 days per week and = 138 weeks did same calculation for 75 per day 111 weeks

Good job I'm in no rush then. Also gives time for the Gozo office to get up and running.

redmik wrote:

Good job I'm in no rush then. Also gives time for the Gozo office to get up and running.

Ha Ha Ha 

toonarmy9752 wrote:

I estimated at 25000 @ 60 per day 3 days per week and = 138 weeks did same calculation for 75 per day 111 weeks

not quite that bad - they are moving to 5 days a week (less one day for asylum seekers) so that brings it down to 83 weeks. Then there is the opening of an office in Gozo, say in 2 months time (my guess) - assuming that processes 15 a day (my guess), then down to 72 weeks.

For EU citizens once you get the appointment then that is sufficient for some purposes, so hopefully they will first of all put more people at work on giving out appointments, even if it is for end 2014

"A spokesman for the Home Affairs Ministry said that, although appointments were issued beyond June, this will not jeopardise foreigners’ immigration positions, provided they were residing legally in Malta when given the appointment."

I wonder if that applies to non-EU citizens ? Can't see immigration being happy to accept a printed email as evidence

georgeingozo wrote:

I wonder if that applies to non-EU citizens ? Can't see immigration being happy to accept a printed email as evidence

Best news I have had all week -  Yeah GnG thats my question exactly. Non-Eu family members are going to suffer on this on -

Are they going to tell people who already have an appointment booked which office they need to go to for their application or will we have to guess? 

georgeingozo wrote:

For EU citizens once you get the appointment then that is sufficient for some purposes, so hopefully they will first of all put more people at work on giving out appointments, even if it is for end 2014

You can say you applied for residency but how do you prove your a resident for example - arriva, ARMS, bank, insurance etc?

Terry

tearnet wrote:

georgeingozo wrote:

For EU citizens once you get the appointment then that is sufficient for some purposes, so hopefully they will first of all put more people at work on giving out appointments, even if it is for end 2014

You can say you applied for residency but how do you prove your a resident for example - arriva, ARMS, bank, insurance etc?

Terry

I know, but enough for some things, for example getting your child into a school. Maybe the others will follow.

Bear in mind that for an EU citizen they are not applying for residency, but informing the country that they consider themselves resident. On that basis, just making an appointment might legally be sufficient for all the purposes you list.

georgeingozo wrote:

Bear in mind that for an EU citizen they are not applying for residency, but informing the country that they consider themselves resident. On that basis, just making an appointment might legally be sufficient for all the purposes you list.

This is from the EU website -
"After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station)".

Malta is a country that requires you to apply for ID/residency,
What they don't give you is proof that you have applied and without proof you cannot be considered a resident. If you can be considered resident then all those that have been here for more than 3 months might as well not bother to apply!

Terry

georgeingozo wrote:

toonarmy9752 wrote:

I estimated at 25000 @ 60 per day 3 days per week and = 138 weeks did same calculation for 75 per day 111 weeks

not quite that bad - they are moving to 5 days a week (less one day for asylum seekers) so that brings it down to 83 weeks. Then there is the opening of an office in Gozo, say in 2 months time (my guess) - assuming that processes 15 a day (my guess), then down to 72 weeks.

to assume usually makes an ass out of u and me. ass u me.

tearnet wrote:

georgeingozo wrote:

Bear in mind that for an EU citizen they are not applying for residency, but informing the country that they consider themselves resident. On that basis, just making an appointment might legally be sufficient for all the purposes you list.

This is from the EU website -
"After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station)".

Malta is a country that requires you to apply for ID/residency,
What they don't give you is proof that you have applied and without proof you cannot be considered a resident. If you can be considered resident then all those that have been here for more than 3 months might as well not bother to apply!

Terry

no, you don't apply for residency, you register your residency (as per the para you quoted). Applying means asking permission, whereas you are informing them of your situation. You have to apply for a residency document, but you are not applying for residency.

For non-EU citizens is different, they are applying for residency (unless family member of EU citizen), and can be refused with no reason required

I think that GnG makes a very good point and one that would stand scrutiny in a Court. Registration is not application.

redmik wrote:

I think that GnG makes a very good point and one that would stand scrutiny in a Court. Registration is not application.

This begs the question, if one is not applying for residency, why does one have to produce evidence of financial details?

Because when you register, you are saying you fulfil the income/capital (and healthcare) criteria, and are providing proof.

SillyPennyP wrote:

redmik wrote:

I think that GnG makes a very good point and one that would stand scrutiny in a Court. Registration is not application.

This begs the question, if one is not applying for residency, why does one have to produce evidence of financial details?

Again this is from the EU website ..

"If you have to register, you may be fined for not doing so but may continue to live in the country and cannot be expelled just for this".

So the fine seems to be higher tariffs with ARMS and ARRIVA otherwise not much they can do!!

tearnet wrote:

"If you have to register, you may be fined for not doing so but may continue to live in the country and cannot be expelled just for this".

So the fine seems to be higher tariffs with ARMS and ARRIVA otherwise not much they can do!!

you can be fined as well, but according to EU law no more than a local for a similar offence, whatever that might be. I suspect the fine will be less than the ARMS penalty

The L.N. 191 /2007 (Free Movement of EU citizens) does lay down a fine of 100 LM for not applying and any member of the police force can ask you to show a valid residence certificate. If not you can also be fined. But they give you 24 hours to show it -))) Who carries their residence certificate around with them all the time! The L.N. does not talk about I.D. cards.

The L.N. 191 also gives possibles reasons for an EU citizen to be 'removed' from Malta. These could be becoming a burden on the social systems of Malta or a being threat to public safety.

I'm not aware that they have ever been applied. Maybe the case of being a threat to public safety has occured in the past?

The actual wording in the L.N. is , as George already said,  applying for a residence certificate or residence card not for the residency itself.

Upon the expiry of three months from the date of their arrival in Malta, the persons referred to in subarticle (1), who are citizens of the Union, shall apply for a registration certificate to the Director.

But considering all the chaos in the process at the moment I don't think we need to worry about direct fines for late applications.

Cheers
Ricky