Cairo experiences in recent days...

Guardian wrote:

sry bro for the tragedy u've been through , it's a part of being egyptian , it's all i'm saying
I never trusted the government , not once ever sine i grew up
i was taken to Amn eldawla 2 , the 1st time i was still in secondry school - the 2nd was in college , but they've never done more than asking questions & never kept me for more than a day or few hours . pretty much all egyptian have been interrogated once or twice
there is a saying in egypt
" three things makes u a man . enlisting in the army , being abroad  or being injailed "
Amn Aldawla is corrupt ,
one of the 1st demands was re organizing the interior ministry
when we had our 1st elected prisdent , the one I supported against shafiq cuz we feard shafiq was jst gonna be another mubark
things changed . but not in the direction we wanted
when we demonstrated before we faced security forces
after morsi when we demonstrated , we faced security forces & MB militia
before we were called , thugs , traitors ,
after we were called thugs , traitors & infidils , enemies to the islamic projects

Morsi said in one of his incoherent speeches that security forces are the one who protected the revolution , that the talk about cleaning the system is shameful & demeaning one

before morsi there was corruption
didn't change after , if anything it increased

so I'd never side with morsi , or MB ever again
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regardless this i also said in one of my previous replies
I never delegated the army in fight against terror
the fight against terror is an empty word that used to voilate human rights .
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that being said I do believe that MB are terrorists , it's what they are , it's their own actions , their own words that proves that
. if u are afraid of civil war , as I said earlier , it's not gonna happen inshallah
I'm more afraid of MB continuing their actions
cuz if ppl get fed up & regardless that egyptian in nature is very peaceful community .
they'll slaughter them all
that army will have to interfer in order to protect them
u can't believe the sheer amount of hate towards them from locals ,
Mb thinks that they're going against army & once the body count is big enough , they're gonna force the hand of sissy into negotiation
what they fail to understand , is once the body counts get high enough the normal ppl will jst get fed & kill every single one of them
what ever drastic action the army take to restore order , whatever body count , it's the lesser evil
cuz the moment ppl in the streets thinks that the army can't contain these terrorists , they are gonna take matter on their own hands & that won't civil war , cuz the word war imply two equal forces
it'd be slaughtering  & I do pray that it will never come to this & that they will come to their senses before that happen

I understand your point and respect what youre saying. And I don't want the mb in power either - like I said I told everyone not to vote for him ( or shafiq - people should of put a line through both of them) I definitely agree about the Egyptian people getting fed up with it - many people today already expressed that.i did feel like morsi was sincere in trying to do good for Egypt though. He raised pensions of the retired, he raised the salary of government teachers, he stopped importing wheat and only took it from Egyptian farmers, he opened up a place that the common people can go and complain about their problems. You already know the bad things he did. I felt he was a good start at least for Egypt but he made some very stupid decisions. I didn't feel he was evil ( like mubarak's system)

But if the MB stop protesting do you really think there will be any chance that mubarak's system isn't going to keep complete control? They seem to be getting stronger day by day. Egypt is going to be a police state. If the MB continue protests and are taken over or dissolved mubarak's system will win too. I see a loose loose situation here. Basically Egypt protested against mubarak's system and it came back stronger than ever. Whatever happens theyre going to screw people over.

Can you see Abdul Nasir's time is coming back?

If it was possible would you agree to a reconcialiton?
Do you think the MB ( and other Islamic parties) should have a part in political life?

My father always told me almost the same saying except it was having a family travelling or going to jail

I've done all three ( I'll never enlist in any army, they're all puppets for the politicians , if there was a sincere politician or a real war than I'd be the first)

My father always told me almost the same saying except it was having a family travelling or going to jail

I've done all three ( I'll never enlist in any army, they're all puppets for the politicians , if there was a sincere politician or a real war than I'd be the first)

well here it's not up to u , most men have to serve a mount of time in military , unless u're a single child

But if the MB stop protesting do you really think there will be any chance that mubarak's system isn't going to keep complete control? They seem to be getting stronger day by day. Egypt is going to be a police state. If the MB continue protests and are taken over or dissolved mubarak's system will win too. I see a loose loose situation here. Basically Egypt protested against mubarak's system and it came back stronger than ever. Whatever happens theyre going to screw people over.

now i have no idea , before Rabaa sit in was dispersed yes
after mubark was gone there was no demonstration that seeking his return , no serious demonstration that is
so when the scaf started messing with ppl immediatly we started our demonstration , there was no way anyone gonna use that to get mubark back in power .
but when morsi was taken off . MB used every little demonstration to show that we want morsi back ,
I didn't like the new government most of the ministers are in their 80 & have no vision , but we couldn't do anything without being portrayed as morsi supporters , which have taken any credit we had .
MB in sheer stupidity took what they gained in sympathy in 60 years & turned into hate in period of 2 years .
but hopefully if they stopped now , we may be able to salvage sth
i mean it's sort of unlikely to be honest , yes we'll demonstrate , but for the simple minded , they won't believe that we r going against corruption esp as the media is as corrupt as ever
but we'll do it & probably get killed in the process ,

If it was possible would you agree to a reconciliation?

with who , i wudn't reconciliate  with any of their leaders
but i wud happily do that with their youth , they screwed us over for many times & I wud not put my hand in their ever again
but some of ppl there i still respect . one of them was asmaa el beltagy , the young girl that got killed in the dispersing of rabaa.
if their young ppl got out of their cape , offered reconciliation i'd happily accept it

Do you think the MB ( and other Islamic parties) should have a part in political life?

honestly no . I'm secular , i don't believe that religion should interfere with politics , cuz I love to stand against political party without being called enemy to god
that hurts & with the high level of ignorance & illiteracy in egypt ppl believe it
i've spent allot of Gomaa prayer fighting with the Imam cuz he basically called us infidels on his khotba , & I don't want to do that ever again , to have to explain to my family that i'm not infidel & that he's jst stupid & have no idea what he's talking about

Thanks for the reply. I understand your secular. Im not asking your view im asking your opinion about letting islamic parties participate in politics, or should they be banned? In general in a democracy everyone is entitled to run for presidency and everyone is allowed to make their own parties and political groups. But the way Egypt is heading is they're going to dissolve the MB and probably not let any Islamic party participate. And sisi will run for presidency and win.

Anyways after I wake up tomorrow I will be deleting my accounts, cleaning my computer and so froth. I can only see fareeq sisi cracking down on even more. Back to gamal Abdul Nasir' s time. After getting rid of protests the next step will be eating the online terrorists ( the army after mubarak's resignation arressted how many people who tweeted and facebooked against the army and tried them in military courts, why wouldn't they do it again. ) so anyways it was nice talking to you, take care

He raised pensions of the retired, he raised the salary of government teachers, he stopped importing wheat and only took it from Egyptian farmers, he opened up a place that the common people can go and complain about their problems. You already know the bad things he did. I felt he was a good start at least for Egypt but he made some very stupid decisions. I didn't feel he was evil ( like mubarak's system)

mubark was decent man in the begining , he did more good he was decent for 10 years or so . from 1981 till 1995 . he was really protrayed as the ppl president since he came from poor family .
but put man in power for so long & it's gonna corrupt him
but morsi started with corruption , he may not have been evil , simply incapable 
btw all the raises in salary happened to ppl with decent salaries to begin with
for example college prof used to get 1200 as first salary . he raised it to 3000
on the other hand doctors get 180 le as first salary  . they protested went into strikes & he ignored them
the pension raise was set in motion by scaf & mubark before that
& he didnt' stop importing wheat . he lied about it , said that we won't need to but the fact is our wheat importing was higher than last year , cuz whether destroyed the wheat crops at one of the cities
the evil part is , egypt was drawing & it didn't want him & though that , he stayed in power & gathered incompetent ppl around him that made things worse
i may don't know how to run a country . but if i was in his shoes , i'd gather all ppl capable of doing that
all the brilliant minds that we export to the world
i'd jst set Egypt need you call & i know that they'll answer the call

Thanks for the reply. I understand your secular. Im not asking your view im asking your opinion about letting islamic parties participate in politics, or should they be banned? In general in a democracy everyone is entitled to run for presidency and everyone is allowed to make their own parties and political groups. But the way Egypt is heading is they're going to dissolve the MB and probably not let any Islamic party participate. And sisi will run for presidency and win.

well against wat i think , they are not gonna do that , they need at least one Islamic party to keep the act of freedom & Noor salfi is already playing ball so
as for sissy running for presidency ,
well, over our dead bodies . we need someone with out party or military . someone decent & very efficient . so no Never & I'm not talking jst me , i mean pretty much all i know like sissy but won't elect him in presidential elections if he ever runs

Anyways after I wake up tomorrow I will be deleting my accounts, cleaning my computer and so froth. I can only see fareeq sisi cracking down on even more. Back to gamal Abdul Nasir' s time. After getting rid of protests the next step will be eating the online terrorists ( the army after mubarak's resignation arressted how many people who tweeted and facebooked against the army and tried them in military courts, why wouldn't they do it again. ) so anyways it was nice talking to you, take care

dude seriously u sound paranoid there is allot of battles left ,
the new constitution & how good it work with human rights
the election of parliament , the election of new president
i mean " the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing "
if stabler time should arrive , emergency laws & curfew are lifted & we wud have a pause to pull together again
given that things calm down again

1) don't ever forget Hamas and the MB stand together.
2) the MB had no intention in doing anything for Egypt or its people - they had their own agenda entirely.
3)the people simply couldn't wait another 3 years to get rid of him.
4) what were the choices in the elections someone from the old regime or the MB.

over the last week - you need to dig deep and wade through the misinformation coming from particularly the MB - they are very well organised, have money (alot), have direct close links to a terrorist organisation. are very capable of committing terrorist acts (trawl back through the 90's - think Hatshepsut / EGyptian museum, bombs in Dahab (have sat myself in Khan el Khalili when they cleared out the whole place due to a bomb threat - the same day Dahab was bombed).

the MB consider only themselves and their members as Muslims - everyone who opposes them / against them are non-believers.

Watch the videos, etc. ove the last week very closely - they set fire to Rabba camp themselves, were caught posing injuries for pictures, etc. days before the crackdown, have weapons - watch the MB supporters with the backpacks over yesterdays protest - and see what they pulled out of them.

Corrupt - a close friends neighbour went missing for 3/4 days - when she came back she was of course asked where she had been - the answer:- to Rabba el adiwiya - I was fed every day and given water and 150 LE everyday - very good'!!!

I'm sorry Buffy but I don't agree with a lot of what you said. I could argue point by point and proof by proof. But where would that lead us? Probably to more arguing and no good would come out of it, just more seperation.

But if i may I would like to state only two things,

1 those bombings that you mentioned werent attributed even by the Egyptian ministry to the MB, we're they?

2 I personally know MB members and I'm not MB and they don't call me infidel. And I always tell them not to be MB. I think that one is a little far fetched to be believed. I have heard it from anti - MB members a lot but never read it from their website, face book page, tv channels or heard any MB member from Egypt or my home country Canada say such foolishness. If you have proof of such a ridiculous thing to say please post it here ause I definitely would like to beware of such a thing.

More importantly

I have come to the conclusion that's its time for me to stop arguing about the MB or military being good or bad. Egypt is now polarized and it needs a middle ground. I think that middle ground is to have elections as son as possible and to ask all sides, both MB and especially the security forces to stop.

If Egypt is going to have a good future I think we all have to first agree to disagree about past events and let go so we can discuss future events.

If this doesn't happen I don't see any bright future in Egypt. Polarization never leads to any goodness.

I believe in heaven and the Creator so whoever was right or wrong will get their recompose anyways.

Recompose = recompense, lol

People I know my tag says English teacher but I'm using an iPad! I can't type properly on this thing so please forgive me for the spelling, grammar and any other crazy errors I have!

2 I personally know MB members and I'm not MB and they don't call me infidel. And I always tell them not to be MB. I think that one is a little far fetched to be believed. I have heard it from anti - MB members a lot but never read it from their website, face book page, tv channels or heard any MB member from Egypt or my home country Canada say such foolishness. If you have proof of such a ridiculous thing to say please post it here ause I definitely would like to beware of such a thing.

not to your face they don't & u sympthize with them
in rabaa set in , there were some christians that went there & wrote big banner , "مسيحين من اجل الشرعية"  translate that for me will u , anyway after the media left , the demonstrators there scratched the christian part cuz they didn't want it written . & well there is me . I've been called infidel , enemy to islam , enemy to god , & so many more . u know arabic is rich language .

1 those bombings that you mentioned werent attributed even by the Egyptian ministry to the MB, we're they?

yeah it was i think attributed to "islam fanatics "that contained many groups like MB takfeer w Hegra , Ghadia salfya   but in the 90's alllll of these islamic fanatics were considered one .

People I know my tag says English teacher but I'm using an iPad! I can't type properly on this thing so please forgive me for the spelling, grammar and any other crazy errors I have!

hehehehe like i'd notice any of that

1) don't ever forget Hamas and the MB stand together.
2) the MB had no intention in doing anything for Egypt or its people - they had their own agenda entirely.
3)the people simply couldn't wait another 3 years to get rid of him.
4) what were the choices in the elections someone from the old regime or the MB.

over the last week - you need to dig deep and wade through the misinformation coming from particularly the MB - they are very well organised, have money (alot), have direct close links to a terrorist organisation. are very capable of committing terrorist acts (trawl back through the 90's - think Hatshepsut / EGyptian museum, bombs in Dahab (have sat myself in Khan el Khalili when they cleared out the whole place due to a bomb threat - the same day Dahab was bombed).

the MB consider only themselves and their members as Muslims - everyone who opposes them / against them are non-believers.

Watch the videos, etc. ove the last week very closely - they set fire to Rabba camp themselves, were caught posing injuries for pictures, etc. days before the crackdown, have weapons - watch the MB supporters with the backpacks over yesterdays protest - and see what they pulled out of them.

Corrupt - a close friends neighbour went missing for 3/4 days - when she came back she was of course asked where she had been - the answer:- to Rabba el adiwiya - I was fed every day and given water and 150 LE everyday - very good'!!!

wanted to say sth like marry me but that wud be considered flirting so , thank you

I think that middle ground is to have elections as son as possible

are u kidding , if we had election now , we'll be royally screwed
ppl are still afraid , attack on street , bombing , fire
have u  seen "V for Vendetta " , it'd be like voting for chencellor Sattler .
the more time we take , the calmer things get . the better

how can u be sure its the truth?

how can u be sure its the truth?

how can who be sure that what is the truth ?