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Hotspur

I have lived in Brasil 8 years now on a business investment visa issued in 2007. Due to a total lack of advice by the lawyer who formed my company and discovering that the local prefeitura wanted bribes to get the company running it never traded and when my first 5 year RNE card ran out I discovered what a potential problem I had. This had also not been helped by a lawyer "friend" who worked in the Policia Federal and 6 months before the expiry of the RNE told me there was nothing to worry about, he would sort it all out, the man who would sign my visa was a personal friend, etc., etc. of course that was a pack of lies and he did nothing.
Although my original company did not trade I had opened another micro empresa, a restaurant, in 2008, and a third, a shop in 2010, which both had employees, paid taxes, etc. The PF told me that these companies would not help in the business investment visa process, but nevertheless on the last day of my 5 year period I was able to transfer one employee to the company which was the vehicle for the visa, and since then I have been on extensions to the RNE, the last of which expired on December 16.  I made an appointment on the PF site 5 weeks in advance for the last day of the visa but found when I got there that I was not on the list of appointments. After a long wait I received a piece of paper and was told to come back in January, no date specified. On this paper it saya my visa is "prone to rejection".
Various questions-
1. Can I still argue the case for my original visa company ?  Say that it is functioning now, and has future plans ?
2. Is it still possible to use the companies that I still have, which are genuine functioning entities ?  I have invested around R$350,000 in these companies, or would I have to start from zero with a new application ?
3. I have made another PF appointment for February 10, which was the first available date. If we assume that they are going to cancel my visa, what will happen next if I wait till then ?   Will they give me 8-10 days to exit and then re-enter as a tourist ?  Is it possible they would let me stay 90 days as a tourist without exit and re-entry ?
4. If I assume that is going to happen, would it be better to exit and re-enter now ?  Am I technically illegal now, bearing in mind my last extension expired on December 16 ?  This way perhaps I could minimize the Multa.
5. If I exit and re-enter as a tourist do I not need a ticket to leave the country within the 90 days ?
6. If the business visa is cancelled my next step is to apply for permanency on the basis of my civil union and religious marriage here, for which I believe I tick all the necessary boxes. Could I apply for that at the same time as they are refusing my business visa, or would they make me re-enter a tourist ?   I assume it is not a problem to apply for this while you only have tourist status.

Many thanks to anyone who can help me on this excellent blog.

James

Hello Hotspur,

Just like many of us here you were duped into taking the word of an unscrupulous lawyer, given false and misleading information and are now paying the price. No need to feel any shame, it happens to the best of us.

I will try to answer your questions in the order given and to the best of my ability. As I have no personal experience in the VIPER Permanent Visa for Investment other than knowledge of the process, where I may be unable to give anything more than a general answer, perhaps one of our members will have something more specific to offer.

1.  It is unlikely, given that the original company has never traded, that you are going to be able to continue to argue that it is functioning and/or has future plans. Also is the original investment still intact (i.e. has not been repartriated or converted to some other use)?

2.  The other companies have nothing whatsoever to do with the original visa application and thus would not be considered. You can however submit a new application based upon those companies, if you wish to go through all that bureaucratic nightmare again.

3.  If the DPF do cancel your VIPER then, yes they will "invite" you to leave, that does not mean going back to your country of origin, just out of Brazil to any other country where you are entitled to enter on a pre-existing visa or under a VWP entry. Since we are talking about entirely different visa categories and stay calculations in any do not effect any other category, then YES you could immediately return to Brazil  if you hold a valid VITUR Tourist Visa that allows you to do so or if you hold a passport that would allow you to enter under the Visa Waiver Program or Schengen Area Agreement. Once you did so you are again "legal" in Brazil for the duration of any allowable stay.

4.  Not necessary to exit and re-enter now, since you have already gone to the DPF and were simply advised to return. Doing so would actually be detrimental to you in that it would reduce the number of days you can legally be in Brazil should exit and re-entry ultimately become necessary.

5.  Yes, you will need an "outbound ticket", which can be to any of the surrounding South American countries that you may legally enter (throw-away bus tickes are quite common, but legal).

6.  If you qualify for Permanência definitiva com base em união estável then this will likely be your cheapest, easiest and best alternative. The relationship must be of at least one year in duration, provable and meet all the criteria. Under the new Permanent Visa procedures it is a "one-stop-shopping" exercise now, you do everything all at once. You apply for permanency,  register in the RNE and apply for the Cédula de Identidade Estrangeiro all at the same time. Permanency is granted on the spot if all the paperwork is present and in order, and you only need to wait for the CIE to be produced. Your passport gets stamped as "Registrado como Permanente".

It states right in the Ministério da Justiça website regarding permanency that;

"Em regra, somente podem requerer a permanência definitiva no Brasil, estrangeiros em situação migratória regular. No entanto, nas hipóteses em que restar confirmada a inexpulsabilidade do estrangeiro (ser genitor ou cônjuge de brasileiro) - Art. 75, II, “a” e“b” da Lei 6.815/80 – poderá ser afastado o requisito da estada regular, tendo em vista o princípio Constitucional de Proteção à unidade familiar."

"As a rule, only foreigners in a regular migratory situation may request permanency in Brazil. However, in the hypothesis in which it is proven the inability to expel the foreigner (being the parent or spouse of a Brazilian) - Art. 75, II, “a” e“b” of Lei 6.815/80 – the requirement of a regular stay can be waived, in view of the  Constitucional principle of Protection of the family unit."     (Art. 226 of the Constitution) 

So yes, you can apply at the same time and you cannot be expelled or even "invited" to leave Brazil. Get all your documents for a normal VIPER application ready ASAP and go for it. That's your best alternative of all.

Cheers,
James           Expat-blog Experts Team

Hotspur

Thank you James for such a speedy response. It has done much to put my mind at rest.

The original investment entered the company bank account and was then paid out as the final payment on my house, which was to be a pousada in the name of the company.  As I shall be going ahead with the união estável process I do not think that company will concern me any more, and I certainly do not want to start another process with the other trading companies.

I am British so I should have no problems entering again on a tourist visa.

So my plans now would be to keep my February 10th appointment when I may discover that the business visa has been cancelled, and on that date commence the união estável process. My understanding of your reply is that, if everything is in order at that stage that process will be dealt with there and then, and I shall not need to leave Brasil

Just two more questions. Will I have to pay the R$8.28 Multa per day from December 16, when my visa extension ran out ?  Secondly, I have a flight booked to Recife next week. Will I be able to board as my RNE has expired, and my last entry into Brasil was in September 2013 ?

Once again, thank you, I have learned so much from this site, and particularly your contributions.

James

You might have a problem depending on the Airline, but probably they're only going to look at the ID page of the passport. You could always try just the CIE and say that your new one is in the works. If you can't dazzle them with the truth, then baffle them with BS I always say.   :lol:

Regarding the fine, it's so small and capped at a max. of 100 days it's hardly worth worrying about. But yes, they'll calculate it based on your VIPER expiry date. The good news is that if you have to exit and re-enter the overstay IS NOT counted in the calculation of your tourist stay, different category visas....... so there's a bit of a silver lining in every dark cloud.

Cheers,
James

Hotspur

Thanks again, James. If you are ever in Fortaleza please contact me and be my guest for dinner.

Just one other point arises out of something you said on another thread, that a permanent visa based on união estável does not carry an automatic right to a work permit. I have no intention of looking for a job, but wondered how this will affect my investment in the company that runs my shop. Can I remain sole proprietor ?  Can I draw a salary or just dividends ?

James

Should have no effect at all, and now under the new process even under stable union applications permanency is granted immediately, so the old rule about the work permit for those applicants has gone out the window. You can apply for the Carteira de Trabalho as soon as the application for permanency is accepted and your passport gets stamped to reflect that you're registered as permanent.

Hotspur

Just one follow up question. It would appear that the PF have to accept the opening of my new process based on my marriage. Does that apply even though I am applying on the basis of união estável, and not on a civil marriage ?

Hotspur

Any ideas on this last query, please ?

James

You are better off applyiing based on marriage, the process is less complicated

Hotspur

Yes, I know, but my wife may lose her widow's pension if we have a civil marriage. Do they have to treat the stable union in the same way a marriage as far as not requiring me to leave and enter if and when they reject my business visa status ?

James

The stable union permanency application is handled in almost exactly the same way as the marriage based application is. In fact, now under the new procedures I believe that they even grant the permanency on the spot just as they now do with marriage based applications. So go for it, it's obviously going to be better since it won't cause any financial problems for your wife.

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