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Moving to Malta - Schengen For Non EU Spouse

Last activity 16 August 2015 by MatthewUK

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MatthewUK

Hello all. I'm new to the forum but I'm hoping for some advice please. My situation is as follows:

* I'm an EU Citizen (British) married to an Indonesian and we're living in Indonesia
* I've been offered a job in Malta to start late June
* There is no Maltese Embassy in Indonesia so we have to use the Austrian Embassy who they have an agreement with for type C visa processing.
* The Austrian Embassy are saying my wife needs a Type D Schengen because I'm going to work and we're going to live there but I disagree because we're married and she will be travelling with me under the Freedom of Movement Directive. Maybe I should have just kept my mouth shut!  :mad:
* We're running out of time and I can't run the risk of trying to get the Austrian's on board with basic EU Law.
* We were originally going to Spain and have a list of basic requirements that are needed to do the same (type C) process with the Spanish Embassy in Indonesia. Very straight forward; hassle free.
* Flights have been booked to Amsterdam which we were using as a stepping stone to Spain but now it would be Malta.

A couple of questions. If we apply and get the "Spanish" Schengen:

1. Could we just go to Malta with the Spanish Schengen from Amsterdam and have no problems with the Maltese border controls/Immigration. There are no itinerary requirements to provide because of the Directive. They might let us in, but would it have an adverse affect on our application for residency.
2. If the above is a problem, could we go to say Madrid first for a couple of days and then fly to Malta? (obviously we don't want to do this)

Many thanks in anticipation of your advice.

Yours stressfully  :dumbom:

Matt

robpw2

a type c visa would only allow you entry to one schengen country so if you choose spain then as soon as you leave spain its no longer valid .(unless its a mulitiple country one but then you have only 90 days entry to a country in any six months)

because your intending to come here and seek residence from outside the European union and you have been living outside the eu your wife will need to have the correct visa this being the type d because she intends to come here to work , live or seek residence .


for more information on schengen visa types please see the link here http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-types/

The Austrian embassy is right in this instance you will need to apply for the correct visa as though you weren't married because you are entering the country from outside of the European union and your transfer at the dutch airport wont count because its considered in transit.
if you came here under a mulit visit schengen visa your wife would only be entitled to 90 days in the country

MatthewUK

This kind of contradicts what the Spanish Embassy (Head of Dept) have said to us here. I know Spain and Malta are different but surely the same rules apply. They said (when I was originally going to work in Spain) that we can simply go there on a type C and apply for residency when we arrive. There are many many people who successfully go own the type C route all over the internet.

I appreciate we would need a multiple entry if we go to Spain for a "holiday" first. Would this get around the issue of me being outside the EU at the moment?

Thanks.

Matt

robpw2

MatthewUK wrote:

This kind of contradicts what the Spanish Embassy (Head of Dept) have said to us here. I know Spain and Malta are different but surely the same rules apply. They said (when I was originally going to work in Spain) that we can simply go there on a type C and apply for residency when we arrive. I appreciate we would need a multiple entry if we go to Spain for a "holiday" first. Would this get around the issue of me being outside the EU at the moment?

Thanks.

Matt


i strongly advise you to contact https://homeaffairs.gov.mt/en/MHAS-Info … dence.aspx
the problem with a 90 day tourist visa is you cannot work using it and there is no extension to it once its expired it is simply a tourist visa and  not for long term use .

MatthewUK

She won't be working and we will be applying for residency. My understanding is that under EU Law she can travel with me wherever and whenever. Splitting us up is in contravention of human rights etc.... Technically, we can travel throughout Europe without a visa for her, providing the proof of marriage at each and every border, however, we don't want to do that.

There's an Irish guy in a similar situation to me who has a thread running. Not being difficult, but what's difference in my case if we go via Spain?

I think I'll contact the Consulate here again and see what he says. Cheers.

robpw2

MatthewUK wrote:

She won't be working and we will be applying for residency. My understanding is that under EU Law she can travel with me wherever and whenever. Splitting us up is in contravention of human rights etc.... Technically, we can travel throughout Europe without a visa for her, providing the proof of marriage at each and every border, however, we don't want to do that. I think I'll contact the Consulate here again and see what he says. Cheers.


only in Europe are you granted free movement but your not living in Europe though.#
once you get residency in Europe you will get free movement that is correct  but she still needs the correct visa to enter Malta in the first place as your original destination is Indonesia .

MatthewUK

Why does the type C application form state

"* The fields marked with * shall not be filled in by family members of EU, EEA or CH citizens (spouse, child or dependent ascendant) while exercising their right to free movement. Family members of EU, EEA or CH citizens shall present documents to prove this relationship and fill in fields no 34 and 35."

Our Spanish cousins don't seem to have an issue with me living outside the EU at the moment.

robpw2

MatthewUK wrote:

There's an Irish guy in a similar situation to me who has a thread running. Not being difficult, but what's difference in my case if we go via Spain?

.


i have just looked at that thread and would say to you if thats what works then fine do it that way apply for a schengen visa for spain, visit spain then travel to Malta then apply for residency - i cannot gaurentee you would be without problems but i suggest you message llp and get them to give you details

all the best

MatthewUK

Cheers. I'll keep this thread posted with any progress.

llp

How did it all work out for you?

MatthewUK

Worked out fine mate. Ended up using the spanish Schengen, went to barcelona for a few days and flew on to malta. Started work a week later at the end of July and applied for our residencies. Both have been approved quite recently and we're now working towards evidencing the documentation for the family permit which is required for the ss route. Should be sorted by October (fingers crossed) :-)

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