3 month extension - Anyone know the latest on this shameful farce???

colinoscapee wrote:

Stefan,by law you cant work on a tourist visa,.

That is correct. By law you often cannot be legal in Vietnam. Welcome.

See eg. the law at hand. §12 says that as a spouse of a Vietnamese you don't need a visa. And a bit later, in §20 it says that everybody (except some other cases) needs a visa. Both articles clearly contradict each other. If that would be a civil contract, then the first regulation usually has precendence over the later one. Not sure how that is in laws.

colinoscapee wrote:

you may enter the country on a tourist visa but having one for a year doesnt allow you to work legally.

Again, correct. But do you know how many English teachers are here on a tourist visa? Especially the backpackers who run out of money and need to fill up their purse again before continuing their trips.

colinoscapee wrote:

You need a work permit so what you said makes no sense..

It does, because all the many English teachers have right now lots of headaches to get their 3 months tourist visa extended.

colinoscapee wrote:

Have you noticed all the extra countries being added to the free 30 and 15 day visa,its not that the guys and gals in Hanoi are being nice,its because the tourism industry is going down the drain.

This is not about 15 or 30 days, but about 1 year. Which tourists stays more than 3 months in Vietnam?

stefanhanoi wrote:

I am usually also quite careful about the 90 days, but things happen....
Over the many years, the "Tet slowdown" got less and less. My permit was expiring in 2014 just shortly before Tet. I thought that I could do all the procedures before. I was out of country for nearly two years and wasn't really aware that things had changed meanwhile: There were meanwhile government decided long holidays, instead of the previous sequences of single free days. As a result I was too late to start the procedures and wasn't finished by the time the visa expired. Over the long holidays I was staying illegally .... and had to take a new and expensive visa then, instead of a cheap extension....

So, with your friend, I assume that there was a reason (like expiring passport maybe), that a normal extension wasn't possible. Check with him!

Yes, I lost a week because of Tet this year, we have to be careful not thinking it's 3 actual calendar months as well, ( as it should be, not 90 days ), I only ever get 85 -- 86 days of the 90, it's starts from the day it's lodged here, and then it's sent to HCMC,  and my expiry always seem to land on a Sat/Sun, that's why I don't like to go in too early with it, as i said, I've already lost nearly 7 months of the 5 years as it is, on top of almost doubling the price of my new passport between Visa's one other time, because I didn't/don't trust the VN postal service.
  When they were trying to do my TRC, I was unpermitted for over 10 days, but because the TRC application had been lodged, ( well sort of, it was the wrong office for a start???? and they kept f@#kig us around for weeks, meanwhile I'm working on the VEC ), they didn't worry about it being expired, then because they realised the TRC wasn't going to be sorted in a week or so more, the wife says to only extend the VEC just for a month, instead of 90 days, she said I will only pay for that month, I doubted that, and i was right, I had to pay for the entire 90 days, and then the TRC DIDN'T go ahead, I had a lot of visits to Immigration that month.

As for my friend, although he speaks fluent Viet, I'm wondering if that officer was actually telling him that they don't do VEC's at THIS office?? But my friend would have known this. I'll ask him again, sometimes his English isn't very clear. He was given a 6 month Visa, but didn't know it was called a VR, he's still calling it a Tourist Visa, but he's married to a VN??
He tells me he thinks he can get a VN Passport now,?????? He thinks he can do it without being a VN citizen???, said his friend , a VN Govt official has told him this, sometimes I really think he's  been living here far too long. ( 15 yrs ).

I think in the end. the point is, you're still able to reside in Vietnam. whatever the headache is and the adventures you took, the end result is you still have the luxury of staying. maybe it is a good thing that the vietnamese people cannot do paperwork very well coupled with regulations are vague and misconstrued.

compared with Australia, it is of course totally opposite and immigration will have you out in no time. maybe all this 'farce' is a blessing in disguise?

cossmo wrote:

I think in the end. the point is, you're still able to reside in Vietnam. whatever the headache is and the adventures you took, the end result is you still have the luxury of staying. maybe it is a good thing that the vietnamese people cannot do paperwork very well coupled with regulations are vague and misconstrued.

compared with Australia, it is of course totally opposite and immigration will have you out in no time. maybe all this 'farce' is a blessing in disguise?

What you say its true to a certain degree. The difference between Australia and Viet Nam is that Australia doesnt need the services of qualified people in industry like Viet Nam does. Most industries in Viet Nam are guided by foreigners as they have the experience and knowledge that the locals lack. If Viet Nam wants to advance they should be helping not hindering people with their visa situations.

Stefan, do you actuallythink the guys and gals in Hanoi areactually making the one year visa to help teachers,thats just too funny,stick to cooking Stefan.

cossmo wrote:

I think in the end. the point is, you're still able to reside in Vietnam. whatever the headache is and the adventures you took, the end result is you still have the luxury of staying. maybe it is a good thing that the vietnamese people cannot do paperwork very well coupled with regulations are vague and misconstrued.

compared with Australia, it is of course totally opposite and immigration will have you out in no time. maybe all this 'farce' is a blessing in disguise?

Haha, now why do you think I'm living here instead of Aus?, that was NEVER my intention.  I got the complete run around by immigration in Darwin, all because an immigration official gave me the wrong information and it set me back months, ( this info couldn't be found even on the Govt website ), and I lost a fair bit of money over them. In  the end I gave up. Some friends who had spouses they were trying to bring into Aus also had ongoing problems. The Darwin office is a disgrace.

with you all the way. you would think the longer you were here in this great country, the wiser one would be. patently not the case where visa extension is concerned. shooting itself in the foot monumentally

It all started with the influx of low skilled workers from China for Chinese projects. Vietnam doesn't want them. Therefore the initially high requirements for work permits, then the relaxing for foreign owned companies etc. Then the tightening of visa rules, and now a partly swing back again. It is since a while a funny see-saw.

colinoscapee wrote:

Stefan, do you actuallythink the guys and gals in Hanoi areactually making the one year visa to help teachers,thats just too funny,stick to cooking Stefan.

Kid, read the news, then you don't need to make yourself a running joke.

" See eg. the law at hand. §12 says that as a spouse of a Vietnamese you don't need a visa. And a bit later, in §20 it says that everybody (except some other cases) needs a visa. Both articles clearly contradict each other. If that would be a civil contract, then the first regulation usually has precendence over the later one. Not sure how that is in laws."

A perfect example of not trusting what you read, seeing is believing when you have it on paper, in your hand, ( and preferably with a VN Govt stamp on it.).
And as you said it is not a civil contract, it is the  VN Govt, need I say more? and in this case it would be commonsense to believe that EVERYONE needs a Visa to come to VN, regardless of who or what they are. ( not sure how an underage child would get on, usually under their parents Visa/passport ).

One thing I will say about VN though, at least you can get a  6 month VR/12 month TT/ or VEC, ( ? ), in Australia and NZ, your spouse can only go there on a Tourist Visa , ( used to be a max of 3 --9 months at one time,  if extended, some people from certain countries couldn't get that extension though ), for up to the next 2 - 3 or more years, ( depending where they come from ), then the Spousal Visa is permanent, but that still doesn't classify them as a PR, that's another 2 -3 years, ( I'm not sure anymore, they keep changing it ). and then there is something like a 5 yr wait to get citizenship.( at least we don't have to worry about getting citizenship in VN, or PR, from my experience ).

colinoscapee wrote:

Stefan, do you actuallythink the guys and gals in Hanoi areactually making the one year visa to help teachers,thats just too funny,stick to cooking Stefan.

OK, here for those who aren't able to read the news, the quick summary from the cook (thanks for the new nickname):
1) The US government wants that US citizens can get a one year tourist visa to Vietnam, in reciprocity for the Vietnamese's one year tourist visa to the US. No visa for US to VN, no visa for VN to US.
2) The VN government tends to agree. It is sold to the public as a measure to increase tourism.
3) Stefan agrees with what others said already: That will do very little to tourism. The main beneficiaries will be "tourist workers" like many US English teachers.

stefanhanoi wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Stefan, do you actuallythink the guys and gals in Hanoi areactually making the one year visa to help teachers,thats just too funny,stick to cooking Stefan.

OK, here for those who aren't able to read the news, the quick summary from the cook (thanks for the new nickname):
1) The US government wants that US citizens can get a one year tourist visa to Vietnam, in reciprocity for the Vietnamese's one year tourist visa to the US. No visa for US to VN, no visa for VN to US.
2) The VN government tends to agree. It is sold to the public as a measure to increase tourism.
3) Stefan agrees with what others said already: That will do very little to tourism. The main beneficiaries will be "tourist workers" like many US English teachers.

Thanks Cookie, that link in the OP doesn't work anymore for some reason????

Bluenz, yes laws contradict ieach other. Within the same law (like in this case) and between laws. The point is, you have to grasp the "spirit of the law". In this case it says pretty clearly that spouses don't need a visa. They simply forgot that exception when drafting that other paragraph.

And, practice has shown over the years, that a VEC (which is a certificate that you don't need a visa) is enough to come here.

Regarding the other things: pretty much agree. I am trying now to get a long-term visa for my wife to Germany. We aren't even able to get an appointment in the Embassy to submit the application.... Fully booked for the next few months.

colinoscapee wrote:

What you say its true to a certain degree. The difference between Australia and Viet Nam is that Australia doesnt need the services of qualified people in industry like Viet Nam does. Most industries in Viet Nam are guided by foreigners as they have the experience and knowledge that the locals lack. If Viet Nam wants to advance they should be helping not hindering people with their visa situations.

I am not sure what it is but there seems to exist a high expectation on a developing country to be developed instantly. things take time, money and knowledge. yes the knowledge from a western country exist but that doesn't mean Vietnam Government will follow suit. nobody likes others to come into their own house and be told how to live; especially a country like Vietnam. having said that, in a country like Vietnam, money talks not laws and regulations. to a certain extent of course.

" In this case it says pretty clearly that spouses don't need a visa. They simply forgot that exception when drafting that other paragraph."
" Simply forgetting ", isn't good enough, how many other times has it happened? As well as not updating  websites, those fee's were way off. ( I wish they were that price for a TRC, I was quoted $80 for just the 12 months at the Immigration office here last year ), and I don't care who sets the fee's,  what we pay for when we do the " business " is what we need to know, i.e, I was toying with the idea of changing to a 12 month TT Visa for the next 2 years, but with still plenty of time left on my VEC ,  it isn't really viable, ( but then again, now I'm not really sure how much that visa is anymore ), and can I apply for a TRC with the 12 month TT?, ( once again price, no 12 month visa on the fee list , although I know there was a 12 month Visa before the changes, but the holder doesn't want to say how much he paid for it for some reason?, and I've no reason to doubt what he wrote on here), one website said it was under " consideration " ( 2013 --14 ), have they finished ' considering " it yet, who knows????
  The only " sure " way of knowing anything about this is speaking directly to 1 or 2 immigration officials, ( at different times, and maybe even different offices ). and get their interpretations of the laws/rules.

" And, practice has shown over the years, that a VEC (which is a certificate that you don't need a visa) is enough to come here."

Not quite sure what you mean by that, it's the same as a Multi Visa, and until a few months ago, I'd never heard of anyone ever receiving a VEC overseas, I was quite amazed, it's enough of a  headache to apply for here, maybe it's actually easier being done overseas??
According to a long termer on this site, the VEC used to be called the " Spouse or Marriage Visa ", ( or something like that ).
I'll still refer to it as everyone else has, ( until you came along ), and say I'm extending my 90 day VEC, when we start talking about Temporary Residence..... most people automatically think of a TRC. In some ways I hope they have done away with the VEC,  because if a 12 month TT can get you a 3 yr TRC, who would want a VEC???, that's another reason to think it has been done away with, so many times it's been brought up on this site. and caused so much confusion, ( it even has it's own thread , which this should really be on? ).

stefanhanoi wrote:

It all started with the influx of low skilled workers from China for Chinese projects. Vietnam doesn't want them. Therefore the initially high requirements for work permits, then the relaxing for foreign owned companies etc. Then the tightening of visa rules, and now a partly swing back again. It is since a while a funny see-saw.

Um, who keeps giving the Chinese contracts for construction,the government of Viet Nam and you say they dont want them here,hahaha.

cossmo wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

What you say its true to a certain degree. The difference between Australia and Viet Nam is that Australia doesnt need the services of qualified people in industry like Viet Nam does. Most industries in Viet Nam are guided by foreigners as they have the experience and knowledge that the locals lack. If Viet Nam wants to advance they should be helping not hindering people with their visa situations.

I am not sure what it is but there seems to exist a high expectation on a developing country to be developed instantly. things take time, money and knowledge. yes the knowledge from a western country exist but that doesn't mean Vietnam Government will follow suit. nobody likes others to come into their own house and be told how to live; especially a country like Vietnam. having said that, in a country like Vietnam, money talks not laws and regulations. to a certain extent of course.

When you invite experienced people from developed countries to come and guide you,then turn around and ignore the advice, thats just plain stupid.

colinoscapee wrote:

When you invite experienced people from developed countries to come and guide you,then turn around and ignore the advice, thats just plain stupid.

'stupidity' is subjective. advice from 'experienced people' does not necessarily mean they're sound, considerate or applicable to the situation. every country has it's own regulations and how it functions. we're not suppose to live in a perfect world where all conditions should meet your perception. can't have cake and eat it all.

bluenz wrote:

once again price, no 12 month visa on the fee list

OK, we are back to square 1: You don't read.

Circular No.190/2012/TT-BTC dated November 09, 2012 (linked to on the Immigration's website, but also available on other sites).
Article 1, No. 2 "Multiple-Entry Visa", item c) "Valid for 6 months or more" says: 135 USD.

bluenz wrote:

... and get their interpretations of the laws/rules.

The law says either "is entitled to". Then they can drag their feet, but cannot deny if the conditions are fulfilled.

Then for some things it says something like "this kind of visa etc. exists". It is then up to the lower levels (i.e. Government, Prime Minister, Minister for Public Security, Chief of Immigration) to make rules in which case that visa is handed out. According to the guys in PA18 e.g. there seems to be a rule that people of working age cannot get a 12 months TT.

And then there are things where it says "shall be considered" which is a diplomatic way of saying: Simply forget it. Will not happen.

bluenz wrote:

it's enough of a  headache to apply for [a VEC] here

Huh? One downloadable form, filled on the PC, printed once, signed only by myself, 2 passport photos, 1 certified copy of the Marriage Certificate, brought together with the passport to A18, took back 1 week later along 10 USD for the "Temporary Residence Permit" stamp. You call that a headache???

bluenz wrote:

According to a long termer on this site, the VEC used to be called the " Spouse or Marriage Visa ", ( or something like that ).
I'll still refer to it as everyone else has, ( until you came along ), and say I'm extending my 90 day VEC, when we start talking about Temporary Residence..... most people automatically think of a TRC.

In other places people read the laws and regulations, and things are called by their real names, which helps understanding the issues.
Of course, feel free to continue your pub talk, with your own pub slang, but don't wonder if you talk has little to do with reality and you understand nothing.

bluenz wrote:

and caused so much confusion

What I said.

Enough said, if really something comes on that is something new, i might come on again - time permitting.
Have fun.

cossmo wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

When you invite experienced people from developed countries to come and guide you,then turn around and ignore the advice, thats just plain stupid.

'stupidity' is subjective. advice from 'experienced people' does not necessarily mean they're sound, considerate or applicable to the situation. every country has it's own regulations and how it functions. we're not suppose to live in a perfect world where all conditions should meet your perception. can't have cake and eat it all.

You dont live here so you have no real understanding how it works. Just stating what is stated by many people who have lived here for many years,maybe you will actually understand things when you do reside here.

stefanhanoi wrote:

bluenz wrote:

once again price, no 12 month visa on the fee list

" OK, we are back to square 1: You don't read."

The link to the list shows no 12 month Visa, same as ALL the other lists I have, it has 12 months for a TRC ONLY.

" Circular No.190/2012/TT-BTC dated November 09, 2012 (linked to on the Immigration's website, but also available on other sites).
Article 1, No. 2 "Multiple-Entry Visa", item c) "Valid for 6 months or more" says: 135 USD."

A VR is only $50, and is multiple, what you are quoting is a Tourist Visa, we're not talking about tourist Visa's.

bluenz wrote:

... and get their interpretations of the laws/rules.

The law says either "is entitled to". Then they can drag their feet, but cannot deny if the conditions are fulfilled.

I'll have to call BS on that one, my friend was kicked out of VN although he had a current Visa, the official was just being an arsehole.( as they can be )

" Then for some things it says something like "this kind of visa etc. exists". It is then up to the lower levels (i.e. Government, Prime Minister, Minister for Public Security, Chief of Immigration) to make rules in which case that visa is handed out. According to the guys in PA18 e.g. there seems to be a rule that people of working age cannot get a 12 months TT."

I find that very hard to believe, or they would call it a Retirement Visa???? Another question for me to confuse them with at Immigration? And what is the working age, they MUST state that, or is that to the officers discretion, under 65 in VN for males, under 60 for females, the age was recently increased.

" And then there are things where it says "shall be considered" which is a diplomatic way of saying: Simply forget it. Will not happen."

Not necessarily, they keep changing the Work permits requirements , after consideration?

bluenz wrote:

it's enough of a  headache to apply for [a VEC] here

Huh? One downloadable form, filled on the PC, printed once, signed only by myself, 2 passport photos, 1 certified copy of the Marriage Certificate, brought together with the passport to A18, took back 1 week later along 10 USD for the "Temporary Residence Permit" stamp. You call that a headache??

Probably not if you LIVE in a major city
1, this time it was 2 x 240km return trips,
2  not having a wedding here in VN caused more problems, certified/translated documents almost weren't enough, we had to produce wedding pic's. ( Not on any requirement list.)
3 You should have supplied copies of the VN housebook, wife's ID, etc, etc. there was a mountain of paperwork, not as easy as you make it out to be.

"

bluenz wrote:

According to a long termer on this site, the VEC used to be called the " Spouse or Marriage Visa ", ( or something like that ).
I'll still refer to it as everyone else has, ( until you came along ), and say I'm extending my 90 day VEC, when we start talking about Temporary Residence..... most people automatically think of a TRC.

Then pls tell, me Cookie, why have i never heard, ( from the many other VEC holders I know  ),  or READ about, ( on the many websites I peruse ),  a Temporary Resident Permit in all my time here, and it doesn't even come up in a Google search?????

" In other places people read the laws and regulations, and things are called by their real names, which helps understanding the issues."

Yes, probably because they are in English and easy to find, ( if not in English, Google translate works better for them ).

" Of course, feel free to continue your pub talk, with your own pub slang, but don't wonder if you talk has little to do with reality and you understand nothing."

Pub talk, you wouldn't last 5 minutes in a pub in my country .You just come on here and confuse and piss people off, with your law quotes, not everywhere in VN  works BY the book,

bluenz wrote:

and caused so much confusion

" What I said."

Too much as usual

" Enough said, if really something comes on that is something new, i might come on again - time permitting.
Have fun.

Don't bother lowering yourself to our level again , you and your sarcasm won't be missed. Try taking a few more English lessons, so you can be more easily understood.
What happened to Hanoi massive, have they had enough of your crap??
No wonder so many people never come back to these Ex Pat sites.
BTW was Gordon Ramsey your teacher????

colinoscapee wrote:

You dont live here so you have no real understanding how it works. Just stating what is stated by many people who have lived here for many years,maybe you will actually understand things when you do reside here.

huh? my comments are very general and I didn't claim to know everything about visas. I didn't actually make any claims to know each visa regulations either. I've gained my understanding from reading previous posts and also this thread is a typical example of various interruption of visa regulations. I just think it is arrogant to come into Vietnam and dictate it's fallacies then expect immediate change to suit one's need. why live here at all? clearly there are more benefits than its shortcomings. we all have choices, well ones who doesn't have to think about whether they will eat a nice dinner tonight or not.

I've met a retired Australian who has been in Vietnam for over 8 years and have no understanding on how things work. Living in Vietnam doesn't always equate to knowing how things work in Vietnam.

When you actually come here and live,let me know, Ill take some notes on your thoughts as to how things work. I will come back in two years time and check if you still have the same thinking,I know you wont. Not sure if you have ever lived in a socialist country,its totally different in thoughts and management.

On a side note,I work at the biggest company in Viet Nam,without foreign experts guiding them,it would be a bigger shambles than what it already is.Trust me, they need guidance and thats not being said in a nasty way.

" I've met a retired Australian who has been in Vietnam for over 8 years and have no understanding on how things work. Living in Vietnam doesn't always equate to knowing how things work in Vietnam."

8 years???? Come on no ones that stupid??
This person has to be either blind/handicapped, senile, retarded or a full blown alcoholic, ( or combinations of ), the VN's must really love him, ( and his money ), OR he has a MUCH smarter wife than he is, ( which doesn't sound like that wouldn't be a very tall order ).
How do they manage their Banking, obviously gets a pension from Australia, so many things you need to have some understanding/knowledge of " how things work here ", sounds like he doesn't ride/drive either?  His wife must be a very busy little woman.

stefanhanoi wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Stefan, do you actuallythink the guys and gals in Hanoi areactually making the one year visa to help teachers,thats just too funny,stick to cooking Stefan.

OK, here for those who aren't able to read the news, the quick summary from the cook (thanks for the new nickname):
1) The US government wants that US citizens can get a one year tourist visa to Vietnam, in reciprocity for the Vietnamese's one year tourist visa to the US. No visa for US to VN, no visa for VN to US.
2) The VN government tends to agree. It is sold to the public as a measure to increase tourism.
3) Stefan agrees with what others said already: That will do very little to tourism. The main beneficiaries will be "tourist workers" like many US English teachers.

Seems now you have a gist of what is really happening. Bilaterial pissing in each others pockets.

bluenz wrote:

" I've met a retired Australian who has been in Vietnam for over 8 years and have no understanding on how things work. Living in Vietnam doesn't always equate to knowing how things work in Vietnam."

8 years???? Come on no ones that stupid??
This person has to be either blind/handicapped, senile, retarded or a full blown alcoholic, ( or combinations of ), the VN's must really love him, ( and his money ), OR he has a MUCH smarter wife than he is, ( which doesn't sound like that wouldn't be a very tall order ).
How do they manage their Banking, obviously gets a pension from Australia, so many things you need to have some understanding/knowledge of " how things work here ", sounds like he doesn't ride/drive either?  His wife must be a very busy little woman.

ah so his situation is different to yours, therefore he is senile and stupid. great logic. you've never met the guy yet you are full of judgement.

cossmo wrote:

bluenz wrote:

" I've met a retired Australian who has been in Vietnam for over 8 years and have no understanding on how things work. Living in Vietnam doesn't always equate to knowing how things work in Vietnam."

8 years???? Come on no ones that stupid??
This person has to be either blind/handicapped, senile, retarded or a full blown alcoholic, ( or combinations of ), the VN's must really love him, ( and his money ), OR he has a MUCH smarter wife than he is, ( which doesn't sound like that wouldn't be a very tall order ).
How do they manage their Banking, obviously gets a pension from Australia, so many things you need to have some understanding/knowledge of " how things work here ", sounds like he doesn't ride/drive either?  His wife must be a very busy little woman.

ah so his situation is different to yours, therefore he is senile and stupid. great logic. you've never met the guy yet you are full of judgement.

You're the one who wrote, " I've met a retired Australian who has been in Vietnam for over 8 years and have no understanding on how things work.", I gave you plenty of other options as well, you should not only read what YOU wrote more carefully, but what others write as well????  Now how are others going to judge YOU??? Someone with more grasp of the English language would correct your grammar for a start.( has not have ).

bluenz wrote:

cossmo wrote:

bluenz wrote:

" I've met a retired Australian who has been in Vietnam for over 8 years and have no understanding on how things work. Living in Vietnam doesn't always equate to knowing how things work in Vietnam."

8 years???? Come on no ones that stupid??
This person has to be either blind/handicapped, senile, retarded or a full blown alcoholic, ( or combinations of ), the VN's must really love him, ( and his money ), OR he has a MUCH smarter wife than he is, ( which doesn't sound like that wouldn't be a very tall order ).
How do they manage their Banking, obviously gets a pension from Australia, so many things you need to have some understanding/knowledge of " how things work here ", sounds like he doesn't ride/drive either?  His wife must be a very busy little woman.

ah so his situation is different to yours, therefore he is senile and stupid. great logic. you've never met the guy yet you are full of judgement.

You're the one who wrote, " I've met a retired Australian who has been in Vietnam for over 8 years and have no understanding on how things work.", I gave you plenty of other options as well, you should not only read what YOU wrote more carefully, but what others write as well????  Now how are others going to judge YOU??? Someone with more grasp of the English language would correct your grammar for a start.( has not have ).

ah so this is an English improvement forum now is it? maybe you should get others to read your own responses. full of insults and negativity.

" ah so this is an English improvement forum now is it? maybe you should get others to read your own responses. full of insults and negativity."

Like many one from you??
No, not an English " improvement " forum,  ( but good idea , maybe someone should start one, there are more VN's on this site than Expats ), it's just one of my " judgments ", or are you the only one who is allowed to make them?

" maybe you should get others to read your own responses "  WTF??? ( I'll let someone else correct that if they so desire, I just hope you weren't here " trying " to teach English ),  people come on these sites to read comments and threads, no one can make them? I'm really starting to wonder about you, and so will the others,  that " I get to read comments on here ". ( but I don't need to, my inbox has been filling up again quite quickly lately ).

BTW, I only try to give as good as I get , but your Kraut mate is no match for me, he can't reply to anyones civil comments in a civil manner, may have something to do with his " superior " nationality, they're renowned for it, but in another 2 generations, they won't even have an indigenous nationality,  he should be more concerned about what is happening in his homeland than what is happening here.( and you as well, but you're probably already a liberal? ),

A few of us only come on this site to wind up the 5 minute " Ex Pats " such as yourself, you lot are so easy to take the piss out of, always wanting the last word, which makes it even more amusing and entertaining, Keep it up pls..

How about some more like , " 8 yrs here and knows nothing about how things work in VN ", that's classic.

Internet down for 1 1/2 hours, just part of the joys of living in VN, but at least it reminded me that it must be the weekend.  Oh dear, there goes that negativity again, like Colinoscope said, actually living here and visiting, are 2 different things entirely.

bluenz wrote:

" ah so this is an English improvement forum now is it? maybe you should get others to read your own responses. full of insults and negativity."

Like many one from you??
No, not an English " improvement " forum,  ( but good idea , maybe someone should start one, there are more VN's on this site than Expats ), it's just one of my " judgments ", or are you the only one who is allowed to make them?

" maybe you should get others to read your own responses "  WTF??? ( I'll let someone else correct that if they so desire, I just hope you weren't here " trying " to teach English ),  people come on these sites to read comments and threads, no one can make them? I'm really starting to wonder about you, and so will the others,  that " I get to read comments on here ". ( but I don't need to, my inbox has been filling up again quite quickly lately ).

BTW, I only try to give as good as I get , but your Kraut mate is no match for me, he can't reply to anyones civil comments in a civil manner, may have something to do with his " superior " nationality, they're renowned for it, but in another 2 generations, they won't even have an indigenous nationality,  he should be more concerned about what is happening in his homeland than what is happening here.( and you as well, but you're probably already a liberal? ),

A few of us only come on this site to wind up the 5 minute " Ex Pats " such as yourself, you lot are so easy to take the piss out of, always wanting the last word, which makes it even more amusing and entertaining, Keep it up pls..

How about some more like , " 8 yrs here and knows nothing about how things work in VN ", that's classic.

Internet down for 1 1/2 hours, just part of the joys of living in VN, but at least it reminded me that it must be the weekend.  Oh dear, there goes that negativity again, like Colinoscope said, actually living here and visiting, are 2 different things entirely.

negative post from me? show me where on this forum do I call others names and imply how dumb people are.

ah you seem to have a problem when your own advice is dished back at you. so it's ok for you to tell me to read my own comments but not the other way around? besides, you seem to do a little bit of selective reading. my comments was in a response to Colin, but you best thought we should be talking about a guy I've met and how poor my English. all these people such as myself just ain't good enough for ya eh? I feel sorry for you that we all don't meet your expectations.

Kraut? I have no idea what you are talking about. you seem to think the number of post on a forum gives you some sort of oracle status and nobody can challenge your view point? me a liberal? gosh can you please tell me more about myself and where I need improving in my life?

you laugh about Vietnam being illogical, yet you are trying to 'reason' out with all these visa debacle. are you even aware of the things you say yourself?

The posts are now getting personal and off topic

Please get back on topic or this thread will be closed.
Thank you.

stumpy wrote:

The posts are now getting personal and off topic

Please get back on topic or this thread will be closed.
Thank you.

How about doing a Kenjee and deleting them then Stumpy?, although probably better to leave them for a laugh. Some people just don't know when to give up.

How about doing a Kenjee and deleting them then Stumpy?

I prefer following Stumpy's advice.

-This thread is now closed-

(btw the OP hasn't connected for a while now)