Britain to leave EU!

Because some people who voted No feel that they did so based on what is now known to be unfounded information, or actions that have not been followed through.

And others feel that another vote is required because the future looks so significantly different.

Note that I am only commenting on what ive heard people saying and what I think might happen, rather than expressing an opinion on what should happen. Ultimately I am unlikely to have a say in a future independence referendum as I have chosen to relocate and so given up that right at this time.

Mar Lon M wrote:

Remember we only live ones and that only one is to short and the beginning of the end of the world has started the news says it all so lets live now...

That's what gets me about all the negative stuff - No one thinks positive.
What a horrible way to live.

Julie2016 wrote:

We are planning to come and live in Malta in October, but with the Brexit now a reality I don't see it's really worth it. It would be a long term plan to stay but if we moved to live in Malta would we be kicked out after 2years or thereabouts? Any views?

I think this question was done to death the previous times when you asked!

If you are already here and registered as a resident, before the actual date of the UK exit, then you are most unlikely to be thrown out. The Maltese government has already said as much!

Ray

F0xgl0ve wrote:

1 GBP = 1.2339 EUR
The GBP/EUR rate as of 24 Jun 2016 at 7:57 AM

Nice to get an automatic cut in income of around 15% - Thank you Boris and Farage.

Ray

Hopefully you will have the courtesy to thank them when it goes up!

Terry

ps Its called currency fluctuation it happens all the time, its been as low as 1.1 and as high as 1.5.

felinefine81 wrote:

Fred I agree with you that another referendum to reset the goalposts is ridiculous. People need to take responsibility for their actions and accept the democratic process.

Where there is more uncertainty for me is over Scotland and Northern Ireland. Particularly Scotland, where a whole lot of people voted no to independence on the basis that it would result in staying in the EU (as it was questioned whether Scotland could join independently). So I think there will be unrest and further action here.

The EU stated, at the time of the referendum for Scotland, that if Scotland left the UK they would have to apply for entry to the EU as an individual country just like any other and fulfil all the requirements, probably including using the Euro, so perhaps Nicola Sturgeon should stop making it sound as though if Scotland broke away from the UK they could just remain in the EU.

Ray

Politicians lie.

Britain’s ‘Leave’ Voters Cleverly Deter Migrants By Destroying Economy - http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/06/25/ … g-economy/

A view from Australia - on a lighter note...
ouch!

Jeannie

Jeannie6623 wrote:

Britain’s ‘Leave’ Voters Cleverly Deter Migrants By Destroying Economy - http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/06/25/ … g-economy/

A view from Australia - on a lighter note...
ouch!

Jeannie

I am not sure what Farage is so happy about, he has been on the EU gravy train as an MEP for years and he can't do that any more, his UKIP party is now defunct because they have achieved their aim and no other party is going to want him, so it looks like the dole queue! (unless he emigrates!)

No dole for him. He deliberately made himself unemployed...

Fred, your "problem?" is perfectly valid to say but the answer is that if you read the papers or look at the news the amount of people who are openly admitting they wish they'd voted remain is quite simple ridiculous.

Obviously I don't know the exact figures and of course it could be media propaganda, exit polls, newspapers all reporting that leave backers only voted leave to either get David Cameron out, because "well, I didn't think leave would win any way" or "I'm really regretting voting leave, didn't realise there'd be so much trouble", that has thrown the result into chaos.


But you are 100% right, it's a democratic vote, and if people are regretting their vote then they need to live by their choices, but there's a lot of very angry people here.

the amount of people who are openly admitting they wish they'd voted remain

Adults voted as they wished. If they feel they didn't use their brains when they voted, drrrrrrrr.

So, give us exact numbers of people who claim they were stupid, or is the pro EU press making a meal of a tiny nimber?

Again, excellent point, and figures I don't have (I don't think anyone has), and you're probably 100% right that this is coming from probably pro EU press and there more than likely would have been reversed had leave won.

The point is it's making a lot of people angry, far more angry than the general election results when 'the losers' are a little miffed off their team didn't win.  When that happens, we don't see this kind of coverage, and it adds more fuel to an ever increasing fire.

And again, Google and other search engines have openly shown that the highest results coming from the UK AFTER the results were announced shows that many people, age irrespective, were looking to explain what the EU was.

YES we have to live with the result (although there's an incredibly slim chance, a microscopic slim chance it doesn't go through with the new Conservative leader), but it's a very tense mood here.

Its probably easy to find 10,000 people who now say they wished they had voted to stay in but it was over 17 million who voted out.

Over 70% turnout, its a democratic decision and makes me proud to be British,, and I voted out.

Now is the time to stop winging and get on with the process and negotiating deals with the rest of the world.

Terry

Now we look at the call for a new referendum, probably by total prats who have no respect for democracy.

No, that's terribly unfair of me; I'm sure they're all lovely people



Maybe the photo suggests I was right first time.

These political activists have proven a lack of respect for democracy, the very thing people like that claim to love ... unless they disagree with the result.

Time for reality and well thought out writings on the subject, not a set of twits with blue hair.

The university of Cambridge managed a little something.

https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2016/0 … -what-now/

Fred - thank you! So good to read a factual article.

I wonder if there is any way that the EU could bring the time line forward, eg if the UK drags its heels in applying, or after application to force agreement of an earlier date instead of 2years.

I'm looking forward to getting more factual information over the coming weeks and months as it all develops. Time now to focus on what's next.

It's looking as if the UK PM is holding on, trying not to be the one who starts the process.
There's little other reason for him to wait until he's gone.

It was interesting to note there is nothing forcing the government to enact the result of the referendum.

Fred wrote:

It was interesting to note there is nothing forcing the government to enact the result of the referendum.

JMH71 wrote:

although there's an incredibly slim chance, a microscopic slim chance it doesn't go through with the new Conservative leader

Fred: please review the forum Code of Conduct.  Not really sure why you are even here given that you don't reside in Malta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW6WsvZal2Y doubters get some backbone. Nothing else to say. Everyone will gain from this given time and patience

As some of you know I have been concerned about the brexit vote

I found an article written by Chetcuti Cauchi advocates in Valletta which states: "British Expats however can put their mind at rest that they will not be deported as those expats who have made use of their rights prior to the date when the UK-EU exit agreement is finalised, benefit from the notion of acquired rights covered by the Vienna Convention of 1969. Thus the loss of the EU Citizenship may see some of the benefits which British expats enjoy diminish, such as the right to vote in European Parliament elections, but in all else they are unlikely to lose much, certainly not to the extent of being forced to leave Malta"

This is great if its true!

Spot on Terry

volcane wrote:

Fred: please review the forum Code of Conduct.  Not really sure why you are even here given that you don't reside in Malta.

I'm British, have the right to vote, and have the right to an opinion.
However, whilst I'm clearly pro escape from Europe, I'm trying to remain reasonably factual.
If you feel any of my posts are outside the forum's code of conduct, please report them.

Doublethink, as Orwell explained, means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

Given the European ideal is about allowing all to roam everywhere, I find your comment about non Malta residents rather against the principles the EU are pushing. As an EU citizen with freedom of movement within Europe guaranteed in law, should I be excluded from Malta physically, or just my online presence?
Still, what's an ideal when you can shut someone up who doesn't agree with you by attempting to exclude them from the rights the EU grants every citizen?

Another is David Lammy MP, a man who believes his opinion is better than that of the UK's majority.
I was under the impression MPs were there to serve the people, but he seems to disagree.
I can see why many dislike the result, but to do anything other than voice unhappiness is to reject democracy; something I see as a little more than dangerous.

The choices are:
accept the democratic vote
whinge pointlessly about it,
start shooting until the minority control the majority.

Personally I prefer to abide by the majority vote, as I would have done if the UK had voted to remain.

F0xgl0ve wrote:

1 GBP = 1.2339 EUR
The GBP/EUR rate as of 24 Jun 2016 at 7:57 AM

Nice to get an automatic cut in income of around 15% - Thank you Boris and Farage.

Ray

Returning to the OP for a moment ....

The papers are telling us this crash is worse than 2008, but we should all note one thing; newspaper editors are liars.
The 2008 crash under a Labour government was far worse, even though the Pound went to a lower level this time, the drop wasn't even close to as bad.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from= … p;view=10Y

Flash in the pan, and nothing to worry about.

volcane wrote:

Fred: please review the forum Code of Conduct.  Not really sure why you are even here given that you don't reside in Malta.

I'd suggest you read it yourself once more, especially the section titled "OPINIONS".  The Malta forum is not exclusive, any member is welcome to comment here.

Romaniac
Expat.com Experts Team

You are entitled to opinions. However political discussion is specifically not allowed.

volcane wrote:

You are entitled to opinions. However political discussion is specifically not allowed.

A referendum is NOT a political vote but a vote reflecting the wish of the majority.


Terry

Has anyone any thoughts on my post yesterday re 1969 treaty. Many thanks

volcane wrote:

You are entitled to opinions. However political discussion is specifically not allowed.

Political topics are generally unwelcome as they cause arguments, especially when the loosing side runs out of reasonable points.
This topic is massive and worldwide so the team is allowing them to remain so far, probably as long as they don't turn into slanging matches.

The fall of the Pound against the Dollar is a pretty much universal subject, but not quite as true as it sounds.
The pound has fallen badly, but so has the Euro and a lot of other currencies as the Dollar has gained in value.
It should also be noted that whilst the Pound against the Dollar has fell to its lowest level, the 1998 crash saw about the same value, but the fall was far greater.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from= … p;view=10Y

That isn't a political thought, just a statement of fact, something that has been the general state of this thread so far.
Of course there are going to happy and unhappy people, and both will want to express opinions, but as long as the thread remains pretty much factual and doesn't end up as a political stage or insulting competition, I'm sure it will be left alone.

As you will have noted, I'm very much happy with the exit vote, so unhappy with those who wish to move the goalposts or ignore the democratic vote with the intention of not allowing the exit to happen. That's why at least one UK MP should resign or be removed from parliament.
Not because of his political leanings, but because he's seeking to stop the will of the proven majority of those interested enough to vote, something an MP should not do when it has been so clearly expressed.
The moment you allow that to happen, democracy is dead in favour of a dictatorship.

Edit
As an example, the Indonesian Rupiah has lost against the pound, this seemingly being due to the rise in the USD.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from= … mp;view=1M

Currency fluctuations are biting in several countries, but are likely to settle.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36632934

Sterling also fell 11.4% against the Japanese yen which is seen by investors as a safe haven for investors in times of crisis.
Japan hinted that it may intervene to stem the yen's strength.
Tomomi Inada, chairwoman of the Policy Research Council of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, said: "Speculative, violent moves (in the forex market) have extremely negative effects. If necessary, the government should not hesitate to respond, including currency intervention."
On Friday, the Swiss National Bank acted to weaken the Swiss franc which rose 2.1% against the dollar as investors rushed to buy the currency.
In the Middle East, shares on the Saudi Arabia stock exchange fell 3.7% on Sunday.

I prefer good news,

Weak pound, big opportunities
Anand Mahindra, chairman of Mahindra Group, the auto to aerospace Indian conglomerate with operations in Britain, said the world was behaving "as if a tsunami wave has hit" which he viewed as an over-reaction.
He said: "My hunch is that you're going to see a fair amount of recovery in markets worldwide and a certain amount of objectivity and reason return to the perspective in which the Brexit is viewed from tomorrow."

He's seeing the escape as an opportunity to get rid of paperwork and tariffs that were holding his company back.

I like positive attitudes because nothing ever gets done with negative ones.

Fred wrote:

Weak pound, big opportunities
Anand Mahindra, chairman of Mahindra Group, the auto to aerospace Indian conglomerate with operations in Britain, said the world was behaving "as if a tsunami wave has hit" which he viewed as an over-reaction.
He said: "My hunch is that you're going to see a fair amount of recovery in markets worldwide and a certain amount of objectivity and reason return to the perspective in which the Brexit is viewed from tomorrow."

He's seeing the escape as an opportunity to get rid of paperwork and tariffs that were holding his company back.

His company would not have been subject to Tariffs and paperwork to trade in the EU that were any different to UK companies if it was based in Britain, I assume he just had an operation there, his business will still be subject to tariffs even when the UK leaves the EU!

If the UK government imposed tariffs then presumably they would remain and if they did not impose tariffs, (if there were any) and the EU did, they still will!

Ray

Actually you are wrong. Malta has a bilateral social security agreement which predates the eu. This guarantees that you will be paid any benefits as if you were in the UK. Hence your pension will be increased as per the UK.

Note that there is also a reciprocal health agreement which predates the eu.

Actually you are wrong. Malta has a bilateral social security agreement which predates the eu. This guarantees that you will be paid any benefits as if you were in the UK. Hence your pension will be increased as per the UK.

Note that there is also a reciprocal health agreement which predates the eu.

You are entitled to an Id card which is valid for 5 years. After 5 year's you can apply for this to be renewed on a permanent basis.  Once you have this card, it can't really be cancelled. The Malta pm is on record as saying he will not deport British expats

Thanks for your reply

svale wrote:

Actually you are wrong. Malta has a bilateral social security agreement which predates the eu. This guarantees that you will be paid any benefits as if you were in the UK. Hence your pension will be increased as per the UK.

Note that there is also a reciprocal health agreement which predates the eu.

I am not sure were you got your information from but there are several incorrect statements.

The state pension increase is at the discretion of the UK and the pension is still paid by the UK government.The Maltese government has no involvement in the payment of UK state pensions whatsoever.

You are not entitled to all the benefits that you would be entitled to in the UK. Some are payable for up to 3 months then cease. Few, if any, can be transferred.
Benefits will not be paid by the Maltese government unless you have contributed to their system.

When the UK leaves the EU you will not have the right to move here although the Maltese government may allow you in subject to certain conditions.

The Maltese government does not issue ID cards to non Maltese nationals.

At the moment UK citizens are obliged to register their intention to reside in Malta by applying for an eResidence card, this lasts for 5 years and you can then apply for permanent residence.

When the UK leaves the EU, it remains to be seen whether the Maltese government decides to subject UK citizens to the same restrictions as other TCNs

The RHA was in place before Malta joined the EU and should continue and the Maltese government has already said they won't be throwing anybody out.

Ray

So I can benefit from current eu law will I be ok to come to Malta in October , should I come before uk invokes article 50. Advice greatly appreciated

Julie2016, I don't think you should worry about Article50 as much as you are.

If you look at the immigration details for Malta, is does clearly say  EU/EEA/Swiss nationals are eligible for residence. 

While we MAY (I'm still using that word) leave the EU, we still don't know what we'll become.  We may go the Swiss way, we may become an EEA member (like Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein).

Article50 could be implemented this week, in several weeks, months, October or never at all.

Either way I'm pretty sure the past historic relationships between Malta and the UK won't have that much of an impact of residence.

Julie2016 wrote:

So I can benefit from current eu law will I be ok to come to Malta in October , should I come before uk invokes article 50. Advice greatly appreciated

Just pack your bags and come here, stop looking for problems!!

Hi everybody,

Just to inform you that some posts ( off topic / likely to cause a disagreement)  have been removed.

Please note that as this situation affects the expats as well, you are free to discuss about it on the forum but please make sure that it does not turn to a political debate.

Thank you all,

Priscilla