Help.Received approval for PR-error on Parent name. What to do?

More info:I am married to Brazilian citizen for 3 years now.  She has her permanent residency in Canada past the  2 year mark. Have our marriage registration from brazilian consulate and here in Canada. Leaving for Brazil next month.

What to do in this case described/inquired above?

Wait wait is the name missing on the visa sticker in your passport or the form you have to take in with it
(Application form)

If it's missing on the visa I would contact the consulate asap
If its  on the visa but not the form don't panic.

So you have a VIPER Visa stamp in your Passport?
The most important thing is the plastic ID card you will receive in Brazil (RNE CIE) the he name changed now I can't keep up , the name must be on that card or you will have problems, the visa in the passport is not important after you've checked in at the police

Application form issues can also be sorted out in Brazil, I never even received one and got a nasty shock when they demanded this form, I got a copy courriered from SA but we also contacted a head office in SP who would have provided the form , but it took like a month to get back

I would just come , make sure you have a copy of your apostilled unabridged birth certificate with both parents names on then correct the issue here at Federal police

Yeah a missing parent name is very serious in Brazil, often parent names are more important than ID no's
I would contact the consulate for advice asap too

But really don't panic, just get in the country with your documents and everything can be sorted here, it's a process in the beginning and takes a few weeks/months to sort it out and there will be hiccups along the way, but brazil is pretty lax on immigration, I've never had to show a document to any policeman or anything unless I was applying for something.....when I arrived I was also in a mad rush to sort everything out but in retrospect I realised it just put extra stress as it's going to take you 6 months to a year just to start finding your feet....in the beginning just relax and enjoy the adventure

Hey steve,
Thanks for the reply.
The visa stamp does not have my parents names on it. Only my wife's name and passport number.

I am talking about the visa form specifically.
Also i was born in the philippines and it is not legalized in brazil (birth certificate is in english).
It is the one I used ans submitted to get our Brazilian Marriage certificate from the consulate. Certidao de registro de casamenro...
I'm in a real panic right now. I dont have anyone in the Philippines to legalize/apostille my birth certificate.

I have not arrived yet and dont have RNE

If your father's name appears on the form in the same way it does on your birth certificate and on your Brazilian Certidão de Registro de Casamento, you don't have a problem:  that's the form of your father's name that Brazil recognizes.   If your birth certificate shows your father's middle name, and the two Brazilian forms don't, but they still show the same legally acceptable form of his name, (e.g., "Júlio Diaz" vs. "Júlio César Diaz"), you're probably still ok, but might want to confirm with the Consulate.   If the two Brazilian forms disagree, you should definitely check with the Consulate.

Hi the marriage certificate (  Certidão de Registro de Casamentoand ) and my birth certificate has his complete name. Only the visa form is missing his second/middle name.


I'm honestly losing sleep over this.

Don't lose sleep. 
That your Certidão is correct is important, the other form, not so much.  You have an official  Brazilian document from the Consulate that shows your "filiação" correctly.
In your place, I would bring it to the attention of the Consulate, showing them the Certidão, and asking if the other form needs to be corrected.   They'll probably say, "tell the Federal Police when you register."  But I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy.  Just going to Brazil and asking the Federal Police to record your "filiação" as it appears on the Certidão will probably be enough.
BTW, when your wife registers your marriage at the Cartório do 1o Ofício in her hometown,  the Cartório will keep your Consular Certidão,  and issue you a "Traslado de Casamento" in its place.  So, if you didn't get a signed "2a Via" of the Certidão when you registered your marriage, make sure to have a good, clear copy for your own records.

Thank you so much for your response. That gives me a bit of hope. With this mess in such a bad time (wife and I leave Canada in a month)

"2a Via" of the Certidão when you registered your marriage, make sure to have a good, clear copy for your own records"

How do i get a copy? You mean a certified true copy from the consulate or a simple photo copy?

I will be going to the consulate first thing this morning. Pray for me/wish me luck! I'll have an update.

But hopefully if anyonr has had similar experience can pitch into tackling this mess.

More help, thoughts or insight would be much much appreciated

Thanks!!

A "2a Via" is a certified, true copy from the Consulate.   They'll issue them, for a small additional fee, at the same time as the original; I don't know whether they do it after the fact, or how long it takes.  For record purposes, a good, regular color copy should be enough.  We scanned ours, and can print off a copy anytime.
Good luck - it will be fine.

Hi,
The consulate contacted the visa admin for consultation and now I am being told that the certidao de casamento will not be enough when presented to police federal when presented within the (30 days). I was told that they did everything right and I made the mistake on my form. I was told that I would need to present my apostollized/authenticated  Birth Certificate in Philippines by the department of foreign affairs and then legalized by Brazilian Consulate in Philippines. I have no idea where to start. :*( I'm in a big  mess at the oment. Honestly. Any help would be appreciated.

I'd suggest that you contact the nearest Philippine Consulate, and ask them how to get your birth certificate authenticated for use in Brazil.  Explain to them that you're working under a time constraint. 
Have you checked the Federal Police website, and made sure that you have all the other documents you'll need to apply for permanent residency?
Two more questions:
1. Does your passport, by any chance, list your parents' names on it?
2. When you say that your father's "middle name" doesn't appear on the visa form, do you mean your family surname, or his second Christian name?  In other words, does his first name appear with the same surname you use, or with his mother's, Spanish style?

Canadian passport does not list parents name.
My fathers name is a second name I believe, not middle. Ex: Adolfo Fernando Diaz(surname).

After this woman from the consulate told me this. I was told by another person (older folk) from the consulate to have our certidao de casamento transcribed and authenticated by cartorio, so it will be legal in Brazil (the consulate copy is just a interim registration for easier registration to the cartorio 1). Therefore, I wouldnt need my birth certificate at all because it was already used for the LEGAL Document as such as our marriage certificate once registered and transcricao by cartorio.
The woma  then comes ohh it should be fine and they both agree this approach should be sufficient and we can ignore my philippine birth certificate.

But i sure hope they are right. Not really sure what to believe now... :S

What you were told about transcribing the Certidão de Casamento is certainly true.  If the Federal Police question it, you'll be able to tell them that the people at the Consulate told you that you were ok.  That should help.

We are looking to send an email to the policia federal based in Montreal Canada just to clarify and consult. Good idea?

I wouldn't recommend it.  Your question would just confuse the Federal Police in Montreal, and they won't be the ones dealing with your case anyway; that will be their colleagues in Brazil.  But if you bring them into it, they may feel that they have to follow up.
In the end, you got the right answer at the Consulate, so I'd run with that.  Your Certidão has the correct information,  and so will your Traslado - that two official Brazilian documents.   That will carry weight with the Federal Police.   
Make sure that your application for permanent residency shows the right information.

The problem is... i'm not sure if it's my mistake that I submitted the error of giving name of my father without his second name or it is just the visa form that is showing error. I am not sure what exactly is entered in the system.
This is another post that I found
https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=218231

Please look at the post/messages between James and jenniferespence 13 March 2014 13:48:19

I am seriously getting scared. My birth certificate has not been authenticated by Department of foreign affairs in the Philippines and also has not been legalized by Brazilian consulate in Manila (Philippines).

I am freaking out

Remember, jenniferspence's problem was a conflict in the form of her mother's name with a registration she had already made with the Federal Police; your problem is different.  In her case, the Federal Police would have  had to change their own records, but not in yours.
With all the documentation they require for everything, clerical errors happen all the time in Brazil.  They're often overlooked, as long as no one is forced to take the blame for them.  You don't know how this one happened, so your suggestion should be to make your registration conform to your Certidão,  and not perpetuate a typo.  Don't bring it up yourself if you don't have to, don't take the blame, and DON'T blame the Consulate:  if you blame someone, their path of least resistance is to demand that that person fix it.  If they can't pin it on somebody else, chances are good they'll ignore it.
Review the document requirements on the Federal Police website.   Technically, you don't need a birth certificate if you have an official document that gives your "filiação".  You have that in the Certidão, and you'll have another with the Traslado.

I have a question...
Will we need to present our Birth Certificates to have the Certidao De Casamento transctibed in the Cartorio 1(to fully register it?)

Aside from all informations (where when,date of marriage) are all correct.The certidao de casamento also has both parents name, city and country where I was born (everything is there and correct). All of the informations are there. I'm just counting that I would not need to present a authenticated birth certificate.

Hey man your post is confusing

Do you already have a visa sticker in your Passport or not : Yes or No
I did mine in South Africa so I had the sticker when I arrived but I was told this is not possible anymore?

When you register your marriage at the Brazilian consulate they give you a little green document
You just show this at the cartorio to get the marriage certificate in Brazil , big yellow paper
I don't remember showing a Birth certificate

However you must come to Brazil with an Authenticated version of your unabridged birth certificate with both parents names on it - you will need this at some point

There are document companies you can hire who grease palms and get your documents quicker and do it all for you, I suggest you find one - I had to do this twice in south africa for emergencies

Hi Steve thanks for response.
I have my visa approved Vitem XI on my Canadian passport (visa stamped). My wife is the "chamante".

We have our Certidao de casamento from the consulate of Vancouver. It does have both of m parents name correctly , my birth place  country and city,date. All correct

My visa form to register that I received from the consulate is missing my father's second name.

I do have my birth certificate but not been authenticated by department of foreign affairs in the Philippines (where I was born--I'm a Canadian citizen). It has not been legalized by the Brazilian Consulate in Philippines. I think it also needs to be translated in Brazil by sworn translator/juradmento. From my understanding is that Philippines is not part of Apostille Hague.

I have the Philippine Statistics Authority birth certificate. The Brazilian consate in Vancouver  took the this and a photocopy to register for our Certidao de Casamento.

I am wondering if it will be a problem when I submit my Visa Form to Policia Federal.
We will be going to transcribe our Certidao de casamento (thd one we received from consulate with all "filacao" correct) at Cartorio 1 (wondering also if I will need birth certificate authenticated and legalized for this process).


The problem we are concerned about is the Visa Form thats missing my fathers second name...Wondering if our marriage certificate both from consulate and when we get the transcribed one will be enough as a Legal document force.

LSC 440 Laurier Ave., W., Suite 219, Ottawa, ON, K1R7X6 did a friend's documents.
He sent an email to them with his questions and needs and they sent a complete instruction of what to send. He even had one document scanned and emailed it to them and they accepted it.
Documents have to go through Ottawa I believe and since they are located there it was easy, but expensive. Everything was done overnight shipping, but took some time in Ottawa.
I am sure there are more service as this in Canada, but inly one I knew and help him with since he had no legal address at the time.

Hi,

Was he born in Canada? (I think these are what these services are for, for Canadian documents).

Which does not apply to me because I have a Philippine Birth Certificate (even if I am Canadian Citizen).

Your going to need that Birth certificate certified by the philipines for Permanent resisidence, I suggest you find an expert courier service who can get this for you

Forget about the missing name on the visa form, it's of little importance, just correct it when you get here with  the federal Police.

The Vitem XI visa gives you how long in Brazil?  I think it just doesn't let you "work"

Don't worry you're in way to much of a panic, it's going to take you at least a year here to find your feet  and you can sort it all out slowly while you here.
Don't worry I was just as anxious as you to get all the papers sorted but it took months to even find a lousy paying job job. Right now even though I'm a citizen I do all my work for chinese company and private students, would even need the work visa to survive.

It's bloody hard to find a job in Brazil as a fresh gringo visa or not, so you're going to have to figure out some kind of a hustle. Not sure what your situation is but I hope you have a passive income, savings for a few months or your wife has or can find a decent job otherwise you're in for some hard times, but it's just toughen you up. I know from hardwon experience

But seriously stop stressing I've never had a document checked once , unless I was actually applying for something, Brazil in not England or Canada, they not looking to actively catch bust and arrest illegal workers, no one really gives a sh*t honestly.....unless you're black then you may get more hassles, but asian looking people have no problem lots in Brazil you can just be "Japa"

What are you worried about , once you get that Brazilian Marriage certificate there's basically nothing they can do to kick you out unless you commit a serious crime, pass the airport passport control and relax

Hey Steve,

The Visa is under Family reunion. It is all approved. I have my visa form (that has my father's second name missing).

Validity period: up to 1 year.

"Limit / expiry date until which the first entry in Brazil must take place – counted from the date of issue of the visa.

Initial period of stay: up to 1 year.

Initial period during which the individual is allowed to remain in Brazil – counted from the date of first entry in the country – that will be confirmed at the moment of residence registration with the Federal Police.

Residence period: indefinite.

Determined at the moment of residence registration with the Federal Police – indicates the effective period during which the foreigner will be allowed to reside in Brazil.

Please note: if applying as the spouse of a foreign national who is the beneficiary of a residence permit in Brazil for a definite period of time, both will be granted the same residence period."

Yeah I'm very anxious about this situation

Alright, since you PM´d me for help, I might as well put my reply in the forum so anybody with the same problem can also be helped.

I applied for permanent residency at the Brazilian Consulate in San Francisco, California. I had the same problem like you have. I knew that I did put the complete name of my parents (I had a photocopy of the application) but the other paperworks that came from their consulate only mentioned the first and last name of both of my parents. Those same names without the middle name also appear on my residency card (RNE) under "Filiação."

It looks like it depends on the discretion of whoever handles your application. He or she probably want things shorter.

In other words, RELAX and come to Brazil. Translate your marriage certificate by a
sworn translator upon arrival and register it at the cartorio to have the "efeito civil"
before presenting yourself to the Policia Federal. If they ask for the middle name
just simply show them the translated marriage certificate.

Going to Manila at the Bureau of Census and Statistics is a hassle because of the long lines. You also probably has to bribe someone to facilitate or speed up the process.
And then the Brazilian Embassy in Makati is sometimes crowded due to seamen doing their paperworks.

Good luck and "Mabuhay."

robal

Addendum for NV91,

Hi! I did a little digging for your sake and here´s what I found:

1. You both need a birth certificate to register your Certidão de Casamento at your local cartorio. Please see item f below.

http://www.portalconsular.itamaraty.gov … -casamento

2. It looks like you changed your name during an event possibly during naturalization etc. I don´t blame you if you changed your name from Thermophilus filipinensis to
Remington Steel. It sounds better don´t you think? But it does create a conflict when you  present your birth certificate and your passport/Certidão de Casamento with your legal name. You should have the documents attesting to that fact like a court order that you changed your name. You can also create an affidavit to that fact by swearing in front of a commissioner that will administer the oath that you are indeed the person (affiant) declaring the truth. Again you need your birth certificate from the Philippines and your Canadian passport and/or your Marriage Certificate to present as evidence to a commissioner. A commissioner can be a lawyer or a notary public in Canada. Government registry or courts usually have them. Bring these documents to be
authenticated by the local Brazilian consulate that serves your district.

3. Do you have an original copy of your birth certificate? If you do, since you are a Canadian,you should bring that to the Brazilian consulate to be authenticated and later on brought to Brazil to be presented to the cartorio. They should make a copy of it and you keep the original.

4. If you don´t have, you should come anyway, go to the cartorio and later to the Policia Federal to register. Apply the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle. Don´t you even bring the topic about your birth certificate if possible. Only when they ask. Stick to the
info on your Certidão de Casamento.

5. If still they require you to present your birth certificate then they should extend the 30day registration period which I´m sure they will do due to your circumstances. You should now plan to go to the Philippines, funding being the decisive factor.

6. Once in Manila,Philippines, you should be able to accomplish that within a 3day period:
    a. Get a report about your birth certificate from the Bureau of Census and Statistics.
        If they say no records were found, they will have to refer you to the local Civil
        Registrar´s Office at the city where you were born. That office should issue you a
        Birth Certificate according to their
        records. Be sure to get more copies for future use like 5 copies.
   b. Bring said certificates (only 2) to be authenticated by the Brazilian Embassy in
       Makati.
   c. Don´t forget to eat some Balut and Taho in the morning before you go back to
       Brazil!

Good luck!

robal

After many exchange of info regarding this case via PM and for transparency and the benefits of readers who might face the same problem, I suggested to NV91 these
steps:

Registering a birth will be the easiest thing. All you need is the marriage certificate and the "carteira de trabalho" (a work card where they record your employment or professional history). You can have that someday. Only one parent can also do it. Your wife already has her Brazilian ID and of course with the marriage certificate is enough. She can also acquire a "carteira de trabalho" if she doesn´t have already.

So here´s what you should do:

1. Report to the authorities in Brazil "as is" with the paperworks with all the errors involved. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SWORN AFFIDAVIT OK? Translate all your documents from English to Portuguese including your Driver´s License if need be.

2. Upon reporting to the local cartorio to register your Marriage Certificate, show your passport instead
of your Birth Certificate. If still they demand it, show to them the already translated (in Portuguese) Birth
Certificate and the sworn affidavit (already in Portuguese). Your Marriage Certificate should also be already in Portuguese.

3. Upon reporting later to Policia Federal, keep quiet and have a low profile. If they notice your father´s
missing middle name, they will ask for your birth certificate or Marriage Certificate. Again show them the document they need already translated in Portuguese together with the affidavit (if needed) also in Portuguese. If they ask about the clerical error, just tell them you don´t know who committed the mistake and DON´T BLAME ANYONE so that they will be obliged to correct that on their own according to your Birth Certificate and/or Marriage Certificate (also already translated to Portuguese in São Paulo). If they did not notice and they processed the paperwork without your father´s middle name, also keep quiet and go with the flow. You can later correct that by filing a petition to the Policia Federal through "Retificacão de Erro Material em Registro Nacional Migratorio" if you so desire. Otherwise stay with the RNE without your father´s middle name and stick with that when you file forms asking your parent´s name. NOBODY in my recollection asked for my birth certificate after years here in Brazil. They usually depend only on marriage certificate, CPF, CRNM and CNH (Driver´s Licence).

So don´t panic and stick it out! It´s time to hold your ground.

robal

Comments are welcomed to help him out!

I will try and answer but a little confused, if you have your permanent residence card regardless of an error on a different form I would still travel. I don't know what other form after the card is obtained in that was the final document I received. This other form if issued by the consulate in Canada needs to be amended there. In the US you only have 6 months to make corrections on any document issued by the consulate, after that there is a consulate in Brasilia that amends via mail. You stated 9 months on your card. Please advise further and I will only tell you what I know and what I would do.

All I can say is that the one time since being granted permanency nobody asked for any forms, just my passport. Others recommended that I put my RNE into the passport as I handed it to the agent, which I did.

Of course, I got married and received permanency here in Brazil.

Update:
So arrived here in Sao Paulo, Sp late January 25th.

Wife took care of updating her RG and also Marriage Certificate registration.First week of arriving here.

We first went to the Lapa location superintendent PF. Made sure we had all information and inquired thoroughly exactly what to do and what needed to be done (this was in first week as well).

We were just told by Triage to collect all documents. We were given a "certain" checklist (which was actually different to what they provide on the website.-- which is stange and inconsistent).

BTW it was impossibe to book appointment whole month of february even if we paid GRU and did all the registration online (protocolo was processed 2nd week of February)- The time when wife also received her new updated RG and our Registered Marriage Certificate.

Checked back February 25th--they finally 2 had appointment date ready

Fast forward to 1st week of March. We reported with Protocolo and documents on Hand. Got the 9:45am appointment and it was still packed!! Couldn't even breathe there due to the heat.

When we were called--my wife explained situation of Visa form having an unexplained origin error and the worker (Messa-stage) was saying we could not proceed. We kept showing her the marriage certificate includding the consulate copy and kept explaining we have done everything right and that the consulate also suggested to have all data entry conform to marriage certificate.

The worker was uncertain and the other agent next to her was eavesdropping and explained that our Marriage Certificate is a legal document and is sufficient proof for the error (the agent we were dealing with we think is more new to her position)-- she later went to investigate (she was adamant on using the marriage certificate because Vitem XI was my way of entry to the country) and report to her superiors in a room. She came back and later proceeded to take the Marriage Certificate (printed simple copies)  and gave us back the Visa form (told us to just hang on to it).

She then registered me with all information correct--gathered my signature and pasted my 3x4 photo . 2nd stage was digital finger printing/photos (Sala-indentificacão)

3rd and last stage:
Received "Certidão de Registro" that has my RNM number/Protocolo to collect CRNM card (valid 6 months until September/ card is ready).

The Certificate states in the end:
Com prazo  de estada de residência regular atè 1/02/2020, estado em situação Ativo.

Not sure what that statement means above,I'm assuming I will have to fulfill staying in the country until the the date provided then I become regular :S.

When I was looking on the system (monitor screen) the agent was showing us everything to make sure every information entered was correct, I saw a date that expires  2028 (I'm assuming this is when I would need to renew my CRNM).

Documents thats they did not take/need:
1) Declaration from my wife (no art.153 do Descret9 n9.199, de 2017
2)They did not even ask or want  to see my criminal record check, I kept showing it to them (including translation).
3)They did not need the copies of utility bills (they instead took the declaracão de endreço).
4) My Vitem XI white visa form with the Error

Documents they took:
1) Protocolo
2)Registration Form
3)GRU
4)Simple Copies of FULL/COMPLETE pages of my Passport (did not needed to be Authenticated by Cartorio)
5)Simple Copies of my wife's RG/Passport
6)Simple Copy Marriage Certificate
7) 3x4 photo (They only took 1-- it said on the checklist to bring 2... like seriously again... inconsistency).

We got out of there around 12:40 (so the whole process took 3 hours)

So..I guess I'm officially Permanent Resident?

Anyway, thank you all to contributed to helping. Just wanted to share my experience.
(Special Thanks to Robal, John Lawrence, Abthree and Stanza)

nv91
Congratulations!  So glad that it worked out for you.  All  the best in your new life in Brazil. 

Live long and prosper! See that? No guts no glory!  . My congratulations!

Fantastic news my friend! 🤗 I wish you both Joy, prosperity and fun in beautiful Brazil!!!!

So in other words now your officially f*cked....
The first few years adapting are interesting, but you have a long challenging road ahead of you as you try to find your place here....but if and when you do it will all have been worth it!