getting permanent residency/citizenship and surviving financially

1. Virtually no chances at all.  Even marriage to a citizen will only afford a Temporary Residence Card status (Look at the sticky threads.)  Legal employment can also get you a TRC.  Otherwise it is periodic border runs for visa renewals.

2.  With a TEFL course, you could teach English.  However, you may experience discrimination based on your presumably Asian looks.

3.  Surviving: yes.  Becoming Wealthy: slim.  One exception might be that if you are fluent in Mandarin (or possibly Cantonese) you could make money as an importer of goods from China.  Despite very tense relations, China is still Vietnam's largest trading partner.

4. You can adapt to the traffic.  Everyone does.  Driving a motorbike takes more adaptation than simply crossing the street.  You can probably find amusing shorts on crossing the streets in Ho Chi Minh or Hanoi on YouTube.

This section of this website provides a lot of info:

Living in Vietnam guide
Find out all you need to know to relocate and live in Vietnam with the expat guide
(Scroll down to see the various categories at the bottom of the page.)

https://www.expat.com/en/guide/asia/vietnam/

misterinternational wrote:

according to wikitravel,
“The first discovery for many tourists who just arrive in Vietnam is that they need to learn how to cross a road all over again. You may see a tourist standing on the road for 5 minutes without knowing how to cross it. Traffic in Vietnam is a nightmare. Back home, you may never witness the moment of crash, seeing injured victims lying on the road, or hearing the BANG sound. Staying in Vietnam for more than a month, you will have fair chance of experiencing all these.”

How dangerous is traffic?  It’s not worth it for me to move to Vietnam if there’s a very high chance that I will be hit by a car or other vehicle.

Wiki is written by just about anyone who wants to write on a subject of which he thinks he's an expert.  I've read many Wiki articles with incorrect information or very poorly written that the information became thoroughly muddled.  I've edited and corrected quite a few of those in the last 15 years. 

What I'm trying to say is DO NOT believe everything you read on Wiki because it's only slightly better than Yahoo Answers, and I wouldn't believe Yahoo Answers if my life depended on it.

Yes, traffic in Vietnam is a nightmare.  That's an indisputable fact.  The next two sentences in that excerpt, however, are not the absolute truth. 

"Back home, you may never witness the moment of crash, seeing injured victims lying on the road, or hearing the BANG sound. Staying in Vietnam for more than a month, you will have fair chance of experiencing all these."

Wherever the author's "back home" is, it's not the same as my "back home". 

I've lived in 9 states and traversed multiple times through 49 (all but Alaska), and the number of crashes and injured victims lying on the side of the road is many times more than what I've seen in Vietnam. 

I've been the victim of car accidents half a dozen times in different states (none of it was my fault, as shown in police reports). 

My daughter was deliberately hit (the driver maintained eye contact with her) while crossing the street in front of the courthouse and police station by a driver who sped the scene. 

Then a couple of years later, she and her husband were in a car crash that rendered them incapacitated for weeks and their car was demolished because of a drunk driver. 

My niece was in a coma for 3 months after being hit while on a zebra crossing by another drunk driver at noon!  (The driver also fled the scene but was arrested later.  My niece had to learn to hold the spoon, tie her shoes, walk, breath, all the things we took for granted.) 

All of those accidents happened in my civilized and affluent "back home". 

I'm not saying those things do not happen in Vietnam, but generally, the accidents in Vietnam are not as serious (exceptions do happen, of course) comparing to what happened EVERY HOUR in the States.  The reason?  Traffic is so bad here, cars and motorbikes cannot drive fast, thus there are more fender benders than crashes, more bumps and scratches than fatality.

"Staying in Vietnam for more than a month, you will have fair chance of experiencing all these."  Such exaggeration!

Yes, it's unnerving crossing the streets in Saigon and Hanoi (much less in other cities and never where we live), but it's an art that anyone can learn to do.  Saigon and Hanoi are not the only places where you need to learn to cross the streets either.  I had to learn to do the same thing in Rome (Italy) when we lived there.  In Rome, drivers do not yield to pedestrians until the last second, and ONLY IF the pedestrians do not alter their walking pattern.  Saigon is exactly the same.  In Rome, red light is only a suggestion, not a command.  Saigon is exactly the same. 

"How dangerous is traffic?" It's a whole lot more chaotic and looks more overwhelming but it's actually less dangerous than Boston, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, SF, or even Dallas. 

"It’s not worth it for me to move to Vietnam if there’s a very high chance that I will be hit by a car or other vehicle."  The chance for you to be involved in a car accident is much higher in the States than in Vietnam, I can say that in earnest.

BTW, forgot to mention that we were also hit by a city bus once while our car wasn't moving.  That's in the States, not Vietnam.

Thigv,

Thanks.  Your post is very helpful.  So how do these border runs work in terms of the timetable?  according to the following website:

https://www.expat.com/en/guide/asia/vie … etnam.html

It seems like americans can get a 6 or 12 month visa.  So do americans do a border run every 3 months and leave Vietnam and come back the same day or next day?  or do you have to stay out of Vietnam for a certain amount of time before you come back?

How hard would it be for me to get a work visa?

Thanks

Ciambella,

Thanks for sharing.

I have noticed a lot of problems with wikitravel through my travels.  Are there any websites that you could recommend for an American researching countries to move to?

I was not aware that yahoo answers is bad, too.

thanks

misterinternational wrote:

Thigv,

Thanks.  Your post is very helpful.  So how do these border runs work in terms of the timetable?  according to the following website:

https://www.expat.com/en/guide/asia/vie … etnam.html

It seems like americans can get a 6 or 12 month visa.  So do americans do a border run every 3 months and leave Vietnam and come back the same day or next day?  or do you have to stay out of Vietnam for a certain amount of time before you come back?

How hard would it be for me to get a work visa?

Thanks

Ciambella,

Thanks for sharing.

I have noticed a lot of problems with wikitravel through my travels.  Are there any websites that you could recommend for an American researching countries to move to?

I was not aware that yahoo answers is bad, too.

thanks

There is a one-year visa for Americans where you need to exit every 90 days. Depending where you live will determine the time frame. If you live in or around Saigon you can do it all it one day, it's very easy.

misterinternational wrote:

So how do these border runs work in terms of the timetable?

I never had to do a border run as I had a VEC and at that time there was no exit requirement, just an in country renewal.  You can find innumerable comments on border runs by doing a site search.  A hint:  Be sure you are in the root Vietnam forum when you search. Unfortunately the results are not well sorted so you may need to do a bit of reading.

misterinternational wrote:

How hard would it be for me to get a work visa?

Do take note that there is no work visa per se in Vietnam.  There is a work permit, which is not even technically yours but a permit for your employer to employ you legally.  So it is job first, work permit to follow. If you do have such a permit you can apply for a TRC and avoid visa runs altogether.  Here again a site search is in order.

It seems like americans can get a 6 or 12 month visa.  So do americans do a border run every 3 months and leave Vietnam and come back the same day or next day?  or do you have to stay out of Vietnam for a certain amount of time before you come back?

There are two different types of visas: tourist and business. In the past, you could extend a 3-month or 6-month tourist visa in-country one time. A few years ago, the one-year tourist visa for Americans was introduced with the stipulation that you have to exit VN every 3 months. I have known cases where this is not strictly enforced, in which the person had stayed longer than 3 months but had an international flight booked, showed up at the airport and nothing happened. A visa agent also mentioned that it may be possible to pay more and not have to exit, but I have never confirmed the accuracy of this statement.

Anyway, to avoid thinking about that, if you plan to stay long-term, you can juat get the one-year business visa.  With that, you will just do a yearly border run, in which you can just cross the border into Cambodia after stamping out of VN, stamping into Cambodia, stamping out of Cambodia and then return to VN to get your new visa and entry stamp.

Of course, if you have the time and money, a visa run can be a nice opportunity to take a break from VN and travel in Laos, Thailand, Singapore, etc. Maybe, you'd like to visit China, for example.

In general, being an expat doesn't mean you live your life in a single country but you can instead enjoy the chance to experience a number of different countries.

misterinternational wrote:

Ciambella,

Are there any websites that you could recommend for an American researching countries to move to?

I'm not the best person to answer this question.  As I've always known where I wanted to live, I've never researched a country to move to.  I think I'm different from other expats in one particular aspect:  I didn't feel the urge to leave one country behind because of XYZ reasons, but whenever I wanted to move abroad, it was because I wanted to live in a certain country where I would be part of the local life.

We moved to Italy to follow my lifelong dream.  We moved to Spain because I wanted to learn Catalan and know more about the Basque Country.  When we moved to VN, it was to give my husband his choice for the next chapter of our life (the first two were mine) and because it's my roots.  My research was never whither to move but which region to call home and how to acquire a long term visa.  We always visited the country many times beforehand so by the time we moved, everything was as familiar to us as it could be.

Another thing:  your needs are completely different from ours.  You need a country with abundant job opportunities.  We're retirees, we go where our hearts desire.  I also don't need an expat community to which I can fall back, but you probably want as many connections as you can form.

All that rambling just to say I'm sorry I can't help !

thanks for the comments everyone.  this is helpful.

my current thinking is that vietnam is not an ideal country for me, because i will not be able to get permanent residency or citizenship.  i don´t like the idea of trying to move to a country, where i may not be able to renew a visa.  and even if an american can renew a tourist visa now, policies may change in the future and make it hard or impossible for me to renew a visa in the future.

thanks for the input.

misterinternational wrote:

my current thinking is that vietnam is not an ideal country for me, because i will not be able to get permanent residency or citizenship.  i don´t like the idea of trying to move to a country, where i may not be able to renew a visa.  and even if an american can renew a tourist visa now, policies may change in the future and make it hard or impossible for me to renew a visa in the future.

Whoa Mr International! You must hate the US.
I'm pretty sure American expats don't hate the US, just don't want to live there. Big difference. Be grateful can have your cake (US citizenship where 80% of the world would like to be, a safe harbor to return to) and benefits (visafree travel to 166 countries, prestige). To live in Vietnam, you need $1000 a month, $800 if you live with others and eat real cheap.
Save up, come live for a few months, maybe you like, it's not for everyone.

Unless you are a titan of industry, probably the only countries where it is easy to get permanent residency or citizenship are hard up, poor desperate ones. .

Employment options. You won't make enough doing Vietnamese work because it doesn't pay $800 a month, except teaching. Look into working online. Can you work your present job remotely? Can you counsel people? Coach or mentor? Spend a year in school or classes to specialize somehow. Teaching is an option the pays over $1000 in Vietnam, and not just English. Get a real teaching credential and/or masters to put you ahead of other job hunters. You could be a online teacher too, live anywhere.

Marriage is another path to permanent-ish residency in most places. Not to be taken lightly.

misterinternational wrote:

policies may change in the future and make it hard or impossible for me to renew a visa in the future.

You must be very young. 
Life cannot be planned. Expect washed out bridges of far more consequence that visas.
Live safe or live dangerous.

Great advices gobot.

Misterinternational, your biggest challenge would be to find a job to survive here and not so much getting a PR or citizenship.  Based on what you said you have a “useless” degree in psychology  with no useful skills, you will have a hard time finding meaningful jobs although it won’t be impossible.   As for teaching English here if I am not mistaken you said you are an ABC.  Although English may be your first language, you are not white enough to be in high demand here.  Check out some of the old threads.

What you have going for you here is that the cost of living is still relatively cheap so it doesn’t take much to survive on basic stuffs.  Listen to the old timers ... live life on the edge and you’d be pleasantly surprised things that come around the corners.  Stay flexible and take a leap of faith knowing you do have option of going back.

misterinternational wrote:

my current thinking is that vietnam is not an ideal country for me, because i will not be able to get permanent residency or citizenship.  i don´t like the idea of trying to move to a country, where i may not be able to renew a visa.  and even if an american can renew a tourist visa now, policies may change in the future and make it hard or impossible for me to renew a visa in the future.

Not many countries in the world can be called an ideal country.  Renewing visa is not the main factor people consider when they think about moving to Vietnam, nor the main reason that forces them to leave Vietnam.  So far, a great majority of expats in VN from different countries have found the visa that suit their goals.  Some of the posters on this forum have been here for years or even decades, and not all of them married to Vietnamese.

"i will not be able to get permanent residency or citizenship".  No one says you cannot get residency or citizenship in VN.  The issue is whether you can fulfill the requirements to have one. 

"policies may change in the future"  Immigration policies have always been changing all over the world, no country maintains the same policy forever.

"make it hard or impossible for me to renew a visa in the future"  Visa can always be renewed, maybe a bit hassle, but never impossible. 

Most people do not become expats so they can plant themselves permanently in another country.  How do you know you'll still like to live in any country 10 years, or even 5 years after you move there?  You become older, your attitude changes, your view of life changes, your priority changes, you'll find that becoming a citizen of another country is not the cat's pajamas as you're now thinking. 

The best thing about being an expat, in my opinion and decades of experience, is the freedom to be part of the local life while not being tied to the obligations that all locals face.  Being a citizen defeats that purpose.

Ciambella wrote:

The best thing about being an expat, in my opinion and decades of experience, is the freedom to be part of the local life while not being tied to the obligations that all locals face.  Being a citizen defeats that purpose.

I never thought about that. 

Being inside (society, activities) and also outside (culture, superstitions).

As an American, it's been fairly easy over the past 15 years living in Vietnam.  Hanoi, DaNang, Saigon and DaNang again.  I did the 3 mo.,6 mo., 2 3yr TRC's, 5 yrs exemption, and on another 3 yr TRC.  In 2022 I will apply 6 months prior to the expiration of this TRC for a PRC.  That will give me over 18 years living here.  I do hope by then they will approve such for me. 
As to crossing the street, just walk out and keep moving, most act like magnets that repel each other...but keeping your eyes wide open when you do cross the street.  Watch out for sidewalks, and one way areas. I found that they are more dangerous than the open roads.  Few pay attention to what most countries regard as 'basic road rules', there are none in Vietnam unless there is a cop on a corner and then, only when they are hungry for coffee money. Learn 'to look 6 ways from Sunday' and hope for the good.  Have fun, I have.

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      Thanks Anthony!         

    It's good to hear from another kindred spirit

    The only downside of being allied to the silent majority

    We know what we have - and don't need to brag or whine     

     ...Keep on Truckin'...           

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gobot, you mentioned that: "Marriage is another path to permanent-ish residency in most places. Not to be taken lightly."

ciambella, you mentioned that: "No one says you cannot get residency or citizenship in VN.  The issue is whether you can fulfill the requirements to have one."

when i asked what are my chances of getting permanent residency or citizenship in vietnam, THIGV mentioned, "Virtually no chances at all.  Even marriage to a citizen will only afford a Temporary Residence Card status (Look at the sticky threads.)  Legal employment can also get you a TRC.  Otherwise it is periodic border runs for visa renewals."

what is the truth of the matter?  i'm getting conflicting details.  is it virtually impossible to get permanent residency/citizenship or not?  (i hope this question does not come off as rude or aggressive)

yoda0807 mentioned that white people get preference for english teaching jobs.  how hard will it be for me (an asian guy) to make a living teaching english (in private lessons) in vietnam?

can you get a work visa teaching english (in private lessons)?

gobot, you mentioned: "Save up, come live for a few months, maybe you like, it's not for everyone."

maybe i will come check out vietnam, but not for a few months.  it would be for a much shorter duration.

i'm not looking for a prolonged vacation.  i'd be looking for a place to live for the rest of my life.

thanks for the comments

misterinternational wrote:

gobot, you mentioned that: "Marriage is another path to permanent-ish residency in most places. Not to be taken lightly."

ciambella, you mentioned that: "No one says you cannot get residency or citizenship in VN.  The issue is whether you can fulfill the requirements to have one."

when i asked what are my chances of getting permanent residency or citizenship in vietnam, THIGV mentioned, "Virtually no chances at all.  Even marriage to a citizen will only afford a Temporary Residence Card status (Look at the sticky threads.)  Legal employment can also get you a TRC.  Otherwise it is periodic border runs for visa renewals."

what is the truth of the matter?  i'm getting conflicting details.  is it virtually impossible to get permanent residency/citizenship or not?  (i hope this question does not come off as rude or aggressive)

yoda0807 mentioned that white people get preference for english teaching jobs.  how hard will it be for me (an asian guy) to make a living teaching english in vietnam?

gobot, you mentioned: "Save up, come live for a few months, maybe you like, it's not for everyone."

maybe i will come check out vietnam, but not for a few months.  it would be for a much shorter duration.

i'm not looking for a prolonged vacation.  i'd be looking for a place to live for the rest of my life.

thanks for the comments

Not sure why you want a PRC as it only lasts three years. Get the TRC which is much easier and can last up to three years, depending on where its done. The other one is a VEC which lasts for 5 years, costs very little, but you will need to extend it in country and do a border run each year. This also varies from place to place, like most things in Vietnam.

misterinternational wrote:

gobot, you mentioned that: "Marriage is another path to permanent-ish residency in most places. Not to be taken lightly."

ciambella, you mentioned that: "No one says you cannot get residency or citizenship in VN.  The issue is whether you can fulfill the requirements to have one."

when i asked what are my chances of getting permanent residency or citizenship in vietnam, THIGV mentioned, "Virtually no chances at all.  Even marriage to a citizen will only afford a Temporary Residence Card status (Look at the sticky threads.)  Legal employment can also get you a TRC.  Otherwise it is periodic border runs for visa renewals."

what is the truth of the matter?  i'm getting conflicting details.  is it virtually impossible to get permanent residency/citizenship or not?

The truth is in everything all of us said. 

Gobot used the name the government called the status (permanent residency), but you failed to pay attention to what he actually said: permanent-ISH.  The -ISH part is very important.

THIGV told you what truly happened IRL: the permanent residency doesn't actually exist when you have to renew the status every 3 years so most people go for Temporary Residency.  Citizenship does exist but THIGV was correct in saying it's virtually impossible. 

I did not contradict either gentleman.  I said "the issue is whether you can fulfill the requirements to have one" because I know 3 people who got it: 2 permanent residency, one citizenship.  Three is not a big number, so it's practically impossible as THIGV said.

Colin made what THIGV said even clearer by using the name on the card: PRC  is not as good as TRC due to the 3 year limit.

We all gave you the correct information, we just expressed it differently.

Eyes on the ball !   

PS:  Only pay attention to VEC (5 years) if you plan to marry a local or a Vietnamese-American.  I don't think your brain can handle more info just yet.

Well guys that's partially some correct information on a PRC. Is the documentation required to request a PRC difficult. Yes. Is the approval percentage rate for a PRC low. Yes, very low. Its only valid for 3 years. No. It can be valid for up to 10 years before you need to renew it, depending on the validity of your passport. I had a little over 6 years on my passport when they issued my PRC. The expiration date on my PRC is the same as my passport. Renewal of a PRC is the same simple process as renewing a VEC. Ciambella can verify the above with the two people she knows that have PRC's.
Here's a link with a little information about the PRC process I posted too when I first started the application:

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=564793


Rick

Budman1 wrote:

Well guys that partially some correct information on a PRC. Is the documentation required to request a PRC difficult. Yes. Is the approval percentage rate for a PRC low. Yes, very low. Its only valid for 3 years. No. It can be valid for up to 10 years before you need to renew it, depending on the validity of your passport. I had a little over 6 years on my passport when they issued my PRC. The expiration date on the PRC is the same as my passport. Renewal of a PRC is the same simple process as renewing a VEC. Ciambella can verify the above with the two people she knows that have PRC's.

Rick

I originally thought that 10 years was the valdity of the PRC, yet some  websites like Angloinfo are quoting 3 years then extend. As usual the information can vary widely. Good to know that it still is 10 years.

"Permanent Residence Cards have unlimited validity but they need to be renewed every three years at the local Immigration Office. The following documents are required:

Application form N9C: Click here (in English and Vietnamese)
Four passport-sized photographs (3cm x4cm)
Copy of the applicant’s valid passport
Old permanent residence card."

thanks

a few follow up questions:

1. can you get a work permit for teaching english in private lessons?

2. if not, then is teaching english (in private lessons) without a work permit illegal?

3. if teaching english (in private lessons)  without a work permit is illegal, what will happen to you if you get caught by the authorities?

4. is it easy to renew a visa if you marry a vietnamese woman and your job is to teach english (in private lessons)?

thanks

misterinternational wrote:

a few follow up questions:

1. can you get a work permit for teaching english in private lessons?

2. if not, then is teaching english (in private lessons) without a work permit illegal?

3. if teaching english (in private lessons)  without a work permit is illegal, what will happen to you if you get caught by the authorities?

4. is it easy to renew a visa if you marry a vietnamese woman and your job is to teach english (in private lessons)?

thanks

1....No

2....Yes

3....Pay the ward police, you can apply to operate classes from home. Its all about the money.

4....Never been asked to prove anything, just say you work online.

To colinoscapee's point, and to repeat what I said before, look into online work.
Google "teach english online"

You have a college degree, next you need a TEFL certificate, which is easy.
Teaching online, you get direct deposit at your US bank, withdraw from local ATMs. (Well, maybe Paypal or other online payment, I dunno, but you can move the money to your checking account online.)
You can start teaching before you come to Vietnam, build up your student clients, and income, as a side gig while you work your current job. You'll have to wrangle foreign time zones tho.

Many/most? teaching websites serve kids in China. May ABC is your advantage.
Then your concerns 1-2-3 go away, no permit needed as you are not taking money from Vietnamese. 4 is moot, you are just a tourist, there is no requirement to prove you have income to stay here.

thanks

misterinternational wrote:

thanks

Under the law here, you will be denied permanent residence if you are unable to use the quote function...

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

misterinternational wrote:

thanks

Under the law here, you will be denied permanent residence if you are unable to use the quote function...

I too become confused by replies that tie in to post several pages back but I am not quite as obsessed with it as you are.      

I did stumble in on this today.  If you are logged out, the reply function is visible but the quote function is not.  Hitting the "reply" will force you to log in and then put you into a reply box without the quote.  It is certainly possible that the "offenders" were simply logged out and didn't know to log in before hitting "reply".  I have no idea of why this is but simply logging back in before making the reply will revive the quote button.

i´m just thanking everyone who replied

colinoscapee wrote:

misterinternational wrote:

a few follow up questions:

1. can you get a work permit for teaching english in private lessons?

2. if not, then is teaching english (in private lessons) without a work permit illegal?

3. if teaching english (in private lessons)  without a work permit is illegal, what will happen to you if you get caught by the authorities?

4. is it easy to renew a visa if you marry a vietnamese woman and your job is to teach english (in private lessons)?

thanks

1....No

2....Yes

3....Pay the ward police, you can apply to operate classes from home. Its all about the money.

4....Never been asked to prove anything, just say you work online.

i understand that it's illegal to teach english if you a tourist visa.

but what if you marry a vietnamese citizen and get a TRC or VEC?   would it still be illegal to teach english in vietnam?

thanks

misterinternational wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

misterinternational wrote:

a few follow up questions:

1. can you get a work permit for teaching english in private lessons?

2. if not, then is teaching english (in private lessons) without a work permit illegal?

3. if teaching english (in private lessons)  without a work permit is illegal, what will happen to you if you get caught by the authorities?

4. is it easy to renew a visa if you marry a vietnamese woman and your job is to teach english (in private lessons)?

thanks

1....No

2....Yes

3....Pay the ward police, you can apply to operate classes from home. Its all about the money.

4....Never been asked to prove anything, just say you work online.

i understand that it's illegal to teach english if you a tourist visa.

but what if you marry a vietnamese citizen and get a TRC or VEC?   would it still be illegal to teach english in vietnam?

thanks

A TRC or VEC is a visa not a work permit, therefore they don't allow you to work here legally.

misterinternational wrote:

but what if you marry a vietnamese citizen and get a TRC or VEC?   would it still be illegal to teach english in vietnam?

thanks

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.p … 43#4539213

8. if i  married a thai woman, could i teach english legally (in private lessons) in thailand?

Your problem is lack of direction, proven by the fact you're also showing interest in the same thing in Thailand.
The idea of getting married in order to work legally is a disaster waiting to happen, or you're planning an illegal scam marriage in the hope of getting around the law.

Either way. it's a terrible idea and the question is a waste of everyone's time.

fred,

you have no idea what my motivations are for posting these threads.  i am doing some research to find out if i might want to possibly move to asia.  yes, i'm looking at some different countries.  so what?  you instantly assumed the worst of me.  do me a favor and don't post on any of my threads again.

You mentioned marriage in two country forums, both talking about ways to start work, and neither showing any sign of being interested in a marriage to any specific person.
I simply offered a suggestion, that being you're heading for a serious problem if you go ahead with that course of action (in either country)

1 - If it's a scam marriage for work - that would be illegal and leave you prone to a lot of legal problems.

2 - If you intend to marry the first woman you can find, there's a better than average chance she'll be a prostitute, a gold digger making a large mistake, and/or a resident from a mental institution.

If you dislike the answer, simply ignore it - even if it's accurate.

In your original post you said

"i have a bachelor's degree in psychology, which is a useless degree.  basically i don't have any useful skills."

With a BA in any subject you are able to obtain a work permit to teach here. You will need to do a CELTA course and get some classroom experience, but having a degree in any subject will allow you to gain a WP in teaching, then a TRC linked to that WP.

fred, as i mentioned before, don´t post on my threads again.  i have no interest in what you have to say.

misterinternational wrote:

fred, as i mentioned before, don´t post on my threads again.  i have no interest in what you have to say.

Fred and Colin are different people.  Get a grip.   

colinoscapee wrote:

In your original post you said

"i have a bachelor's degree in psychology, which is a useless degree.  basically i don't have any useful skills."

With a BA in any subject you are able to obtain a work permit to teach here. You will need to do a CELTA course and get some classroom experience, but having a degree in any subject will allow you to gain a WP in teaching, then a TRC linked to that WP.

you mentioned having to get "classroom experience."

can you get a work permit for teaching english in private lessons?

i'm an introvert, and teaching group classes would be too much for me.

thanks

THIGV wrote:

misterinternational wrote:

fred, as i mentioned before, don´t post on my threads again.  i have no interest in what you have to say.

Fred and Colin are different people.  Get a grip.   

i know

misterinternational wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

In your original post you said

"i have a bachelor's degree in psychology, which is a useless degree.  basically i don't have any useful skills."

With a BA in any subject you are able to obtain a work permit to teach here. You will need to do a CELTA course and get some classroom experience, but having a degree in any subject will allow you to gain a WP in teaching, then a TRC linked to that WP.

you mentioned having to get "classroom experience."

can you get a work permit for teaching english in private lessons?

i'm an introvert, and teaching group classes would be too much for me.

thanks

The WP is connected to a business. To be able to teach privately you would need to set up your own company....more hassle than it's worth.