COVID 19 (CORONA VIRUS) UPDATES FOR ALL NATIONALITIES & STATUS

Jlgarbutt wrote:

I'll have to find the report, but yesterday I read that 22 staff in local hospital tested positive, some of which claimed to have been vaccinated previously..

Yea my GF told me same. Think hospital name Nhiet Doi

goodolboy wrote:

Yea my GF told me same. Think hospital name Nhiet Doi

Yes, on Võ Văn Kiệt in District 5.  I was at the compound a couple of times, but not to that particular building.

Lets hope this is a peak

Maxep wrote:

Sarcasm, or criminal handling of stolen goods?

Without using the quote feature it's hard to know what your post is in reference to.

Still shocked to see so many people with no masks on. A five minute walk from home to pick up up food..

1 security guard.. no mask
3 staff at restaurant no mask
2 foreigners.. walk along in apartment complex.. no mask
2 grab drivers .. no mask

Some days it feels like no one takes the requirements seriously anymore

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Still shocked to see so many people with no masks on. A five minute walk from home to pick up up food..

1 security guard.. no mask
3 staff at restaurant no mask
2 foreigners.. walk along in apartment complex.. no mask
2 grab drivers .. no mask

Some days it feels like no one takes the requirements seriously anymore

People forget that much much more than social distancing, wearing a mask (covering your nose and mouth) not on your chin is your most important precaution against the disease. At my home, since I am the person who goes out for any household needs, I am forced to wear a mask even while inside the house. My wife and kid haven't gone out of the apartment complex since March 20 !!!!!!!

CATCHING COVID-19 AFTER VACCINATION
The only ways you could test positive on a PCR test after being vaccinated would be if you were one of the rare cases where the vaccine didn’t protect you from infection, or if you got a false positive test result. The COVID-19 vaccines currently being rolled out are extremely effective, with most able to prevent at least 95% of infections, with only a small percentage of ‘breakthrough’ infections occurring. These are typical with other vaccines too.

For COVID-19, so far these kinds of infection seem to be extremely rare, with one US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report showing that breakthrough infections happened in only 0.1% of fully vaccinated people, and only 2% of those died

Bit of a worry that so many VN catch the virus after vaccination, the CDC says it is very rare to do so. Is this outbreaks the new delta or Indian variant?

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@Vietnam Lad:  Please be aware that political posts are not allowed on the forum.

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Ciambella wrote:

@Vietnam Lad:  Please be aware that political posts are not allowed on the forum.

this is about international politics ... and strange, i see exactly the same in other post/s directly above that i was commenting on?


and btw you notice here and elsewhere, i am very supportive of Viet govt and Vietnam espec vis a vis AU and US govts?

as i just was in this post

Vietnam Lad wrote:

Ciambella wrote:

@Vietnam Lad:  Please be aware that political posts are not allowed on the forum.

this is about international politics ... and strange, i see exactly the same in other post/s directly above that i was commenting on?


and btw you notice here and elsewhere, i am very supportive of Viet govt and Vietnam espec vis a vis AU and US govts?

as i just was in this post

Which is exactly what made it political.

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

Vietnam Lad wrote:

Ciambella wrote:

@Vietnam Lad:  Please be aware that political posts are not allowed on the forum.

this is about international politics ... and strange, i see exactly the same in other post/s directly above that i was commenting on?


and btw you notice here and elsewhere, i am very supportive of Viet govt and Vietnam espec vis a vis AU and US govts?

as i just was in this post

Which is exactly what made it political.

right. LOL.

Wow. 0.1%.  That's more than the number of people who have died of covid 19.  We should probably panic.

if you wear a mask in your own house then you have a bigger problem than anyone can solve. 🤣🤣🤣

dionstravels wrote:

if you wear a mask in your own house then you have a bigger problem than anyone can solve. 🤣🤣🤣

It has been very common in many countries for medical personnel who have known or even unknown exposure to wear masks while at home.

andidips wrote:

At my home, since I am the person who goes out for any household needs, I am forced to wear a mask even while inside the house. My wife and kid haven't gone out of the apartment complex since March 20 !!!!!!!

Jesus, sounds like I left Vietnam at just the right time before things got nutty there.  People are crazy.  I haven't worn a mask other than the first week home the end of March.  Then they repealed the mask mandate.  Yes we have more vaccinations but not 70% and cases are still falling quickly.  They don't even test here anymore.   They say if you feel sick stay home.  That's as far as it goes.  Need to still get daughter's vaccination but even then my wife is no longer in a panic that I might pass it to her.

You should have your wife's kid do the shopping (unless they are 3 or 5 or something).  There is virtually no risk to people under 18.  They get the sniffles and then it's over in a couple of days.  Out of 600,000 supposed deaths "from covid" in the us only 300 were under 18.  They are pretty much bulletproof at that age.  We are only getting her daughter the shot so we can travel.  Other than that it's pointless for young people.

garyww wrote:

Wow. 0.1%.  That's more than the number of people who have died of covid 19.  We should probably panic.

No, it isn't.  Please don't mix percentages and amounts.

SteinNebraska wrote:

andidips wrote:

At my home, since I am the person who goes out for any household needs, I am forced to wear a mask even while inside the house. My wife and kid haven't gone out of the apartment complex since March 20 !!!!!!!

Jesus, sounds like I left Vietnam at just the right time before things got nutty there.  People are crazy.  I haven't worn a mask other than the first week home the end of March.  Then they repealed the mask mandate.  Yes we have more vaccinations but not 70% and cases are still falling quickly.  They don't even test here anymore.   They say if you feel sick stay home.  That's as far as it goes.  Need to still get daughter's vaccination but even then my wife is no longer in a panic that I might pass it to her.

You should have your wife's kid do the shopping (unless they are 3 or 5 or something).  There is virtually no risk to people under 18.  They get the sniffles and then it's over in a couple of days.  Out of 600,000 supposed deaths "from covid" in the us only 300 were under 18.  They are pretty much bulletproof at that age.  We are only getting her daughter the shot so we can travel.  Other than that it's pointless for young people.

It appears children are more likely to be hospitalized with serious issues if they contract one of the variants.  No, they are not bulletproof, and death isn't the only concern.  Long COVID is nothing to brush aside.

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I am usually quite skeptical about the lock down stories, fake sensationalist news by some of the regulars on YouTube because of my experiences & what I saw last time. But I have to say its seems to be a whole different ball game this time. Round here (Tan Phu) within 500 meters from my apartment complex there are 3 side streets cordoned off in quarantine, my old place at D12 Moscow Tower all 3 blocks A1, A2 & B are in various states of quarantine & this afternoon about 4pm thats the local street market just outside Celadon City all sealed off!! My GF was out shopping for vegetables & fruit when the police arrived & started sealing off all the entry /exit points & she said there was a mass rush to get out before they sealed it off completely.

This is quite a good government site for updates.


http://www.chinhphu.vn/portal/page/portal/English

Getting pretty serious all over the city, parts of D2 have blocked off streets also, some buildings sealed off too.

But you'd think it would make people more careful, still see dozens of maskless locals about.

Mega Market An Phu last week report a member for staff tested positive, anyone in teh store since 25/5 should go for testing.

Grab riders also..  means any food delivery could present s higher risk.

First save we got lucky, this time around I think it's going to get a lot worse, tracing F0 cases becoming harder and taking longer is not helping

Four stores near me in Binh Thanh were shut down a week ago, apparently because someone who tested positive visited them.  One has since re-opened.  The walkway by the canal is taped off, as are all the benches around my building.  The streets are pretty quiet here during the day, although I haven't been outside during rush hour.  I've taken to going shopping at the convenience store in the middle of the night to avoid people.

paulmsn wrote:

Four stores near me in Binh Thanh were shut down a week ago, apparently because someone who tested positive visited them.  One has since re-opened.  The walkway by the canal is taped off, as are all the benches around my building.  The streets are pretty quiet here during the day, although I haven't been outside during rush hour.  I've taken to going shopping at the convenience store in the middle of the night to avoid people.

As a matter if interest, how long did it take for the barrier tape to be ripped off? round here barrier tape is just something to ignore, jump over or duck under& in less than 48 hours its ripped off & blowing in the wind

Don't know about other districts in Saigon, but things are locked tight in Phu Nhuan.  Even essential businesses are closed, and many restaurants do not even offer take out anymore.  Many wet markets are completely closed.  For Phu Nhuan wet market between Phan Dinh Phung and Nguyen Van Troi, only the small main (under roof) part is open, all outdoors vendors are gone.  To go in the market, customers must sign in at one of the 3 checkpoints with names, addresses, and phone numbers.  Without a mask equals immediate 3M fine.

The tape in front of the area where people danced in the evening and exercised in the morning is pulled away, but the rest of it is there, as far as I can see from my balcony.

Youtube has a brief interview where Kary Mullis , inventor of the PCR test, explains his thoughts about his test, which is now front and centre in world

https://t.co/iVaKmNPD1z?amp=1

goodolboy wrote:

paulmsn wrote:

Four stores near me in Binh Thanh were shut down a week ago, apparently because someone who tested positive visited them.  One has since re-opened.  The walkway by the canal is taped off, as are all the benches around my building.  The streets are pretty quiet here during the day, although I haven't been outside during rush hour.  I've taken to going shopping at the convenience store in the middle of the night to avoid people.

As a matter if interest, how long did it take for the barrier tape to be ripped off? round here barrier tape is just something to ignore, jump over or duck under& in less than 48 hours its ripped off & blowing in the wind

+Blowing in the wind", at least it is present at the location and performing some function if not the desired one. In India, within minutes somebody would have taken it home to sell along with plastic recyclables.

Fancybear wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

I see that you are against PCR tests, and thats fine. But you don't offer up any alternatives.

Is there an alternative, I have very little understanding in relation to testing, so, I would be interested in your thoughts.

Very imminent German micro biologist of 40 years academic experience and highly cited academically- Dr Sucharit- outlines his concerns on the PCR test here.  He is on youtube saying this so it must have stood the test of censors on youtube.

He likens PCR to having vinegar on your french fries but losing your driving license for heavy vodka use

Hopefully it can be seen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZreyzYo0Bs

I fear many PCR cases are  seasonal flu and rebadged as covid 19 by PCR. In europe seasonal flu cases at hospitals have vanished since the PCR test was deployed. It's like flu no longer exists.

If people have no fever or cough, I would fly with them regardless of a   PCR.  Asymptomatic transmission is not scientifically proven.

You are resorting to YouTube videos instead of links to peer-reviewed articles, so your claims are simply not credible.  Anyone can put up a video with no verification of accuracy at all, and Project Veritas has shown how much one can distort the video used through creative editing.

Mods, please consider removing this series of posts.  Someone is on a mission here.

wonder what type & length of stay visa's will be available?

https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietn … 00325.html

paulmsn wrote:

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Mods, please consider removing this series of posts.  Someone is on a mission here.

Mods please reject calls to remove controversial posts.
Don't turn Expat.com in to Facebook, Twitter, Google, who regularly block news for political aims.
Honor free speech and respect forum adults to determine for themselves what information to follow.

gobot wrote:

paulmsn wrote:

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Mods, please consider removing this series of posts.  Someone is on a mission here.

Mods please reject calls to remove controversial posts.
Don't turn Expat.com in to Facebook, Twitter, Google, who regularly block news for political aims.
Honor free speech and respect forum adults to determine for themselves what information to follow.

I would generally agree with you my friend, and I don't really support other people just saying they don't like what's being posted.

But we do have to keep in mind that the government of Vietnam has gone so far as to put out an edict which is being used to deal with "misinformation" on social media as a threat to the "social order":

vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-issues-social-media-code-of-conduct

If this site allows people to post whatever they want, even when their position directly contradicts the policies of the government, we could end up having this website being blocked inside Vietnam.

Having said that, there's no need and little efficiency in people calling on ADMIN to do anything through a public post.

For some reason, people resist using the "report" function, even though that's the best way to get ADMIN to view a post and decide for themselves if it needs to be deleted due to "host nation sensitivity".

I don't agree with Fancybear and others who disparage the test, but support of the PCR is hardly a core tenet of the Communist Party of Vietnam.

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THIGV wrote:

I don't agree with Fancybear and others who disparage the test, but support of the PCR is hardly a core tenet of the Communist Party of Vietnam.

Perhaps the most clueless reply you've ever posted.

Though you have close family ties to Vietnam, you (in Hawaii) obviously know zilch about what's been going on in Vietnam since the border lockdowns began .

Consider just ONE event I posted about in another thread:

ONE (1) person working for 1 vendor at the Vincom Plaza in HCMC, District 1 tested positive for COVID-19 via OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT PCR TESTING and the ENTIRE BUILDING (the mall retail shops and restaurants; not the residences) were CLOSED by the government and everyone who worked there lost their jobs (at least temporarily).

Do you seriously think the government wouldn't quash social media posts claiming that their official testing procedure is unreliable, providing questionable results?

Aloha...

It's not like the PCR test is unique to or invented in Vietnam.  It is the universal worldwide test which is why criticism of the test can easily be laughed off as the rantings of cranks.  I am sure the authorities will do the same.

THIGV wrote:

It's not like the PCR test is unique to or invented in Vietnam.  It is the universal worldwide test which is why criticism of the test can easily be laughed off as the rantings of cranks.  I am sure the authorities will do the same.

Cranks are laughed off in America.

They are more likely to be punished in Vietnam

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

They are more likely to be punished in Vietnam

First of all, I think you attach way too much importance to what is written here.  I had schoolchildren who spoke more critically of the government than what we see here.  Secondly, if the authorities really did want to track down the real identity and location of Fancybear, which I still doubt, I am sure that they could do so in a heartbeat, but then what?  Deportation and blacklisting perhaps for him but nothing for anyone else.  Would you miss him?  Far more critical things have been said about the government here than a few of his bogus rants about PCR tests.

THIGV wrote:

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

They are more likely to be punished in Vietnam

First of all, I think you attach way too much importance to what is written here.  I had schoolchildren who spoke more critically of the government than what we see here.  Secondly, if the authorities really did want to track down the real identity and location of Fancybear, which I still doubt, I am sure that they could do so in a heartbeat, but then what?  Deportation and blacklisting perhaps for him but nothing for anyone else.  Would you miss him?  Far more critical things have been said about the government here than a few of his bogus rants about PCR tests.

Sorry.

I missed what you said.

I was taking a nap

Ciambella wrote:

Don't know about other districts in Saigon, but things are locked tight in Phu Nhuan.  Even essential businesses are closed, and many restaurants do not even offer take out anymore.  Many wet markets are completely closed.  For Phu Nhuan wet market between Phan Dinh Phung and Nguyen Van Troi, only the small main (under roof) part is open, all outdoors vendors are gone.  To go in the market, customers must sign in at one of the 3 checkpoints with names, addresses, and phone numbers.  Without a mask equals immediate 3M fine.

Is where I live Gs25 still open so is green shop but only 5 in at once, FPT & electric store open so are most of paint and hardware stores, market is as you say but butchers still open along with fruit & veg, bakery's.
Had a long drive round yesterday evening (27th) still heaps of people out and about getting supplies and take away.