COVID 19 (CORONA VIRUS) UPDATES FOR ALL NATIONALITIES & STATUS

Ciambella wrote:

Don't know about other districts in Saigon, but things are locked tight in Phu Nhuan...

I went out after 1 am last night to get food at a Circle K and noticed that the open market north of me has tape all around it, and when I came back home on the shopping street next to it, both sides of the street were also taped off for the entire block, although the Circle K on that street was open behind the tape.  Also, the popular drinks spot a block away from me has been taped off.  It had been open before for a few hours each day for take-out.  Binh Thanh district, across from the zoo.

Added:  I went out during the day yesterday to see what food stores are open in my neighborhood.  All except the Coop were open, and the bookstore was open again, too.  The small Coop Smile across the street has been open every day, but they don't carry much of what I want.  All the little storefront places were open, too.  I could see from my floor that there were people by the open market, but I couldn't tell if the roofed part was open.  So despite all the tape, things still seem to be humming, albeit with fewer people.  Not as many motos on the street, but you still have to watch it if you're on foot -- I took two steps off the curb at a corner and a moto whizzed around the corner behind me.  Too close.

So sad for a country that a year ago boasted they had successfully contained the virus while the rest of the world was in lock down. Now it's the complete opposite is happening. One has to wonder if this is a charade that is on display. Also, what's the deal with this 'donation' for vaccine that is going on?

QuidProQuo wrote:

So sad for a country that a year ago boasted they had successfully contained the virus while the rest of the world was in lock down. Now it's the complete opposite is happening. One has to wonder if this is a charade that is on display. Also, what's the deal with this 'donation' for vaccine that is going on?

People got complacent, believed that Vietnamese were doimg am excelelmt jon amd let their guard down. Evem now with signs up around my apartment building about fines for not wearing masks etc.. see loads everyday

Im drinking... ok to take mask off
Im talking the pnone...
Im eating
Im dojng exercise
Im smoking

Doing any of the above and securoty does nothing to enforce the rules


For rhe record... uk seeing huge jumps in cases again... not limited to one country doing better or worse

Just seen Topps / Big C cantavil closed to test all staff because someone test positive

Just heard word from the two main factories that I work with over there.  The main factory that I work with were 100% vaccinated - all employees.  The second main factory the owner asked his employees to volunteer to stay at the factory for 30 days to ensure they stay open.  Most people did so now nobody goes in or out and they can continue producing.  This is a brand new factory built last year so it's pretty nice and they had a lot of excess floor space that they weren't using yet so he probably did it up pretty well.  He's a great guy and great boss.  He on the other hand is quarantined at home due to a covid case in his block at home.

QuidProQuo wrote:

So sad for a country that a year ago boasted they had successfully contained the virus while the rest of the world was in lock down. Now it's the complete opposite is happening. One has to wonder if this is a charade that is on display. Also, what's the deal with this 'donation' for vaccine that is going on?

Well if its a charade they are putting a whole lot of effort & loss of income into it, round here the outdoor market is sealed off with wire fencing & gates. The huge AEON Mall & supermarket is sealed off tight, last week they tested the whole of Celadon City residents gotta be 5,000 people +(including yours truly)  Just heard from Ms My that a whole factory in Thu Duc is sealed off with 2,800 people inside, out here in Tan Phu its even getting difficult to get fresh fruit & veg & again from Ms My the big wholesale market where most of the small vendors get their fresh stuff is sealed off & in quarantine, my old apartment blocks Moscow Tower A1, A2 & B are in various levels of  lock down & quarantine & thats just a sample of what I know & have been told. By the way dont ask me for proof of the Thu Duc factory, it was in a Vietnamese news site that Ms My had on her pone & all in Vietnamese but I got the jist of it! The rest I have seen with my own eyes.
As for the request for money on the phone texts I must admit I did wonder about that myself & was reluctant to donate.

QuidProQuo wrote:

So sad for a country that a year ago boasted they had successfully contained the virus while the rest of the world was in lock down. Now it's the complete opposite is happening. One has to wonder if this is a charade that is on display. Also, what's the deal with this 'donation' for vaccine that is going on?

Why would one have to wonder?  This is easily explainable -- the Delta variant that is becoming dominant worldwide is much more transmissible and thus overwhelmed a response that was successful for earlier strains, but insufficient for a variant that spreads so quickly.  It is happening worldwide, not just in Vietnam.  A claim of "charade" is ridiculous.  Things change over time -- why not acknowledge that reality?

We're suddenly having trouble getting food supplies from our usual supermarket sources as well.

Just been invited to go for testing tomorrow.. in total 4 towers each 25 floors and 12 apartments per floor.

An Phu D2
Supermarkets here are still open, Topps closed for testing after positive test if one member of staff.

Mega Market open again.. but strict admittance process in place

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Just been invited to go for testing tomorrow.. in total 4 towers each 25 floors and 12 apartments per floor.

An Phu D2
Supermarkets here are still open, Topps closed for testing after positive test if one member of staff.

Mega Market open again.. but strict admittance process in place

Will be interesting to hear your experience at testing.
By the way just as a matter of interest, we were done in random batches of 10........like 10 people were tested & then their test swab was not sealed individually, the test swabs were sealed in batches of 10 with the names & details attached to the sealed container.

goodolboy wrote:

By the way just as a matter of interest, we were done in random batches of 10........like 10 people were tested & then their test swab was not sealed individually, the test swabs were sealed in batches of 10 with the names & details attached to the sealed container.

That is a testing method that was used in several western countries early in the epidemic when testing materials were in short supply.  In the US, most locations ran the samples as a composite but maintain the integrity of the samples.  Then if they get a positive they can run the ten samples separately or they could call the ten people back.  It is primarily to economize on the number of samples run, but it may also speed up results a little.

Fancybear wrote:

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Well  I am an oldie & was hoping to stick around for another couple of years & if the jab can help me do it put me down for for it I'l be first in line. As far as I understand it none of the vaccines available give you immunity to the virus but will help you fight it & not end up as a hospital death statistic.

QuidProQuo wrote:

So sad for a country that a year ago boasted they had successfully contained the virus while the rest of the world was in lock down. Now it's the complete opposite is happening. One has to wonder if this is a charade that is on display.

What "charade"?

Whatever anyone's opinion of the government's actions, it's been their consistent policy to do everything possible to stop the spread of the virus while waiting for the ability to vaccinate everyone.

Unfortunately, that's taking longer than expected while the mutation of the virus variants has increased the difficulty of the task.

Update on testing for today...

Petrolvietnam Landmark
Lexington Residence
Imperia
Cantavil An Phu
Estella heights
The Estella

All up for testing today each dvelpment 1000  apartments, plan is to batcb test random groups of 10 people together, still a huge effort

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Update on testing for today...

Petrolvietnam Landmark
Lexington Residence
Imperia
Cantavil An Phu
Estella heights
The Estella

All up for testing today each dvelpment 1000  apartments, plan is to batcb test random groups of 10 people together, still a huge effort

Well you better hope everyone does not show up at once like it did at Celadon City......OK not everyone but at least 1,000 showed up between the set opening time 1pm & 2.30pm & then the rain came on (only a couple of trees for shelter) 

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Jlgarbutt wrote:

Update on testing for today...

Petrolvietnam Landmark
Lexington Residence
Imperia
Cantavil An Phu
Estella heights
The Estella

All up for testing today each dvelpment 1000  apartments, plan is to batcb test random groups of 10 people together, still a huge effort

Why not just test the 1.3% that get sick enough to need treatment and leave the other 98.7% alone?
Sounds like an awful lot of work to tell people with no synptoms they have flu.

goodolboy wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Update on testing for today...

Petrolvietnam Landmark
Lexington Residence
Imperia
Cantavil An Phu
Estella heights
The Estella

All up for testing today each development 1000  apartments, plan is to batch test random groups of 10 people together, still a huge effort

Well you better hope everyone does not show up at once like it did at Celadon City......OK not everyone but at least 1,000 showed up between the set opening time 1pm & 2.30pm & then the rain came on (only a couple of trees for shelter) 

Have been given set time slots.. but when I go pas the test center earlier there was no one there so I'm guessing everyone will turn up after work .

Andybris2020 wrote:

Why not just test the 1.3% that get sick enough to need treatment and leave the other 98.7% alone?
Sounds like an awful lot of work to tell people with no synptoms they have flu.

So that those people can be isolated.  No symptoms does not mean that you cannot spread the disease.  And it's not flu -- don't promote lies.

Today I went to shop and now all the food stores are open in my neighborhood.  The traffic was significantly heavier than a few days ago.  I saw a woman in one store with no mask.  I moved away from her quickly.

paulmsn wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Why not just test the 1.3% that get sick enough to need treatment and leave the other 98.7% alone?
Sounds like an awful lot of work to tell people with no synptoms they have flu.

So that those people can be isolated.  No symptoms does not mean that you cannot spread the disease.  And it's not flu -- don't promote lies.

Both illnesses can cause fever, cough, body aches, and sometimes vomiting and diarrhea (especially in children).
Both can result in pneumonia.
Both flu and COVID-19 can be mild or severe, or even fatal in rare cases.
Both the flu and COVID-19 spread in similar ways. Droplets or smaller virus particles from a sick person can transmit the virus to other people nearby. The smallest particles may linger in the air, and another person can inhale them and become infected.
Or, people can touch a surface with viruses on it, and then transfer the germs to themselves by touching their face.
People infected with the coronavirus or the flu may not realize they are sick for several days, and during that time can unknowingly spread the disease to others before they even feel sick.
Treatment
Neither the flu nor COVID-19 is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and very ill patients may need a ventilator — a machine that helps them breathe.
Antiviral medications may shorten the duration of both illnesses.

with 68% not having any symptoms and 1.3% needing treatment it's not exacly a falling dead in the street kind of event that people are freaking out over and shouting down and reporting anyone who tries to tell the other side of the facts, like it's not the end of the world,,, relax and take it easy people.
Flu - Covid whatever its a virus where about as many get sick as the flu, where when how is just splitting hairs.
From WHO website - Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.
So like I said a whole lot of drama for around 1.3% needing treatment hardly the "omg moment" you seem to be pushing so hard.
The other side is relax - dont stress - everything is going to be ok,,, but you like reporting people for that side of the facts.

Andybris2020 wrote:

paulmsn wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Why not just test the 1.3% that get sick enough to need treatment and leave the other 98.7% alone?
Sounds like an awful lot of work to tell people with no synptoms they have flu.

So that those people can be isolated.  No symptoms does not mean that you cannot spread the disease.  And it's not flu -- don't promote lies.

Both illnesses can cause fever, cough, body aches, and sometimes vomiting and diarrhea (especially in children).
Both can result in pneumonia.
Both flu and COVID-19 can be mild or severe, or even fatal in rare cases.
Both the flu and COVID-19 spread in similar ways. Droplets or smaller virus particles from a sick person can transmit the virus to other people nearby. The smallest particles may linger in the air, and another person can inhale them and become infected.
Or, people can touch a surface with viruses on it, and then transfer the germs to themselves by touching their face.
People infected with the coronavirus or the flu may not realize they are sick for several days, and during that time can unknowingly spread the disease to others before they even feel sick.
Treatment
Neither the flu nor COVID-19 is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and very ill patients may need a ventilator — a machine that helps them breathe.
Antiviral medications may shorten the duration of both illnesses.

with 68% not having any symptoms and 1.3% needing treatment it's not exacly a falling dead in the street kind of event that people are freaking out over and shouting down and reporting anyone who tries to tell the other side of the facts, like it's not the end of the world,,, relax and take it easy people.
Flu - Covid whatever its a virus where about as many get sick as the flu, where when how is just splitting hairs.
From WHO website - Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.
So like I said a whole lot of drama for around 1.3% needing treatment hardly the "omg moment" you seem to be pushing so hard.
The other side is relax - dont stress - everything is going to be ok,,, but you like reporting people for that side of the facts.

Well personally I dont dispute or have the knowledge to agree or disagree with what you say but personally being a fit 70 year old I er on the side of caution & from what I see & read having the Vaccine increases my life expectancy if I do get Covid so I am all for it.

As for your WHO quote.........well I for one dont believe a word they say & am sure that once the dust settles they will be called to account for the misinformation they have put out since day 1 of this sorry mess!! & I also hope the country that in my opinion caused this mess deliberately or by accident is called to account too.

goodolboy wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

paulmsn wrote:

So that those people can be isolated.  No symptoms does not mean that you cannot spread the disease.  And it's not flu -- don't promote lies.

Both illnesses can cause fever, cough, body aches, and sometimes vomiting and diarrhea (especially in children).
Both can result in pneumonia.
Both flu and COVID-19 can be mild or severe, or even fatal in rare cases.
Both the flu and COVID-19 spread in similar ways. Droplets or smaller virus particles from a sick person can transmit the virus to other people nearby. The smallest particles may linger in the air, and another person can inhale them and become infected.
Or, people can touch a surface with viruses on it, and then transfer the germs to themselves by touching their face.
People infected with the coronavirus or the flu may not realize they are sick for several days, and during that time can unknowingly spread the disease to others before they even feel sick.
Treatment
Neither the flu nor COVID-19 is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and very ill patients may need a ventilator — a machine that helps them breathe.
Antiviral medications may shorten the duration of both illnesses.

with 68% not having any symptoms and 1.3% needing treatment it's not exacly a falling dead in the street kind of event that people are freaking out over and shouting down and reporting anyone who tries to tell the other side of the facts, like it's not the end of the world,,, relax and take it easy people.
Flu - Covid whatever its a virus where about as many get sick as the flu, where when how is just splitting hairs.
From WHO website - Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.
So like I said a whole lot of drama for around 1.3% needing treatment hardly the "omg moment" you seem to be pushing so hard.
The other side is relax - dont stress - everything is going to be ok,,, but you like reporting people for that side of the facts.

Well personally I dont dispute or have the knowledge to agree or disagree with what you say but personally being a fit 70 year old I er on the side of caution & from what I see & read having the Vaccine increases my life expectancy if I do get Covid so I am all for it.

As for your WHO quote.........well I for one dont believe a word they say & am sure that once the dust settles they will be called to account for the misinformation they have put out since day 1 of this sorry mess!! & I also hope the country that in my opinion caused this mess deliberately or by accident is called to account too.

Which is why open debate and access to all opinions are needed not a site where a one sided highly edited, censored is the only posts allowed.
The down side is people are dying the upside is people are also surviving on a huge scale so it's not the end of the world that was back in 2012 lol

Andybris2020 wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Both illnesses can cause fever, cough, body aches, and sometimes vomiting and diarrhea (especially in children).
Both can result in pneumonia.
Both flu and COVID-19 can be mild or severe, or even fatal in rare cases.
Both the flu and COVID-19 spread in similar ways. Droplets or smaller virus particles from a sick person can transmit the virus to other people nearby. The smallest particles may linger in the air, and another person can inhale them and become infected.
Or, people can touch a surface with viruses on it, and then transfer the germs to themselves by touching their face.
People infected with the coronavirus or the flu may not realize they are sick for several days, and during that time can unknowingly spread the disease to others before they even feel sick.
Treatment
Neither the flu nor COVID-19 is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and very ill patients may need a ventilator — a machine that helps them breathe.
Antiviral medications may shorten the duration of both illnesses.

with 68% not having any symptoms and 1.3% needing treatment it's not exacly a falling dead in the street kind of event that people are freaking out over and shouting down and reporting anyone who tries to tell the other side of the facts, like it's not the end of the world,,, relax and take it easy people.
Flu - Covid whatever its a virus where about as many get sick as the flu, where when how is just splitting hairs.
From WHO website - Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.
So like I said a whole lot of drama for around 1.3% needing treatment hardly the "omg moment" you seem to be pushing so hard.
The other side is relax - dont stress - everything is going to be ok,,, but you like reporting people for that side of the facts.

Well personally I dont dispute or have the knowledge to agree or disagree with what you say but personally being a fit 70 year old I er on the side of caution & from what I see & read having the Vaccine increases my life expectancy if I do get Covid so I am all for it.

As for your WHO quote.........well I for one dont believe a word they say & am sure that once the dust settles they will be called to account for the misinformation they have put out since day 1 of this sorry mess!! & I also hope the country that in my opinion caused this mess deliberately or by accident is called to account too.

Which is why open debate and access to all opinions are needed not a site where a one sided highly edited, censored is the only posts allowed.
The down side is people are dying the upside is people are also surviving on a huge scale so it's not the end of the world that was back in 2012 lol

Well if you go by the stats its been the end of living in this world for nearly 4 million people & OK you can say some of them would have died or were on their way out anyways but if you even say out of that 4 million only 1 million were actually Covid deaths its still a lot of people who might have lived another couple of happy years without Covid & a certain country has achieved more with a little cough in one & a half years than it would done going to war for 20 years.

Has this Delta strain mutated here or was it brought in by someone from India where it was rampant?

goodolboy wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Well personally I dont dispute or have the knowledge to agree or disagree with what you say but personally being a fit 70 year old I er on the side of caution & from what I see & read having the Vaccine increases my life expectancy if I do get Covid so I am all for it.

As for your WHO quote.........well I for one dont believe a word they say & am sure that once the dust settles they will be called to account for the misinformation they have put out since day 1 of this sorry mess!! & I also hope the country that in my opinion caused this mess deliberately or by accident is called to account too.

Which is why open debate and access to all opinions are needed not a site where a one sided highly edited, censored is the only posts allowed.
The down side is people are dying the upside is people are also surviving on a huge scale so it's not the end of the world that was back in 2012 lol

Well if you go by the stats its been the end of living in this world for nearly 4 million people & OK you can say some of them would have died or were on their way out anyways but if you even say out of that 4 million only 1 million were actually Covid deaths its still a lot of people who might have lived another couple of happy years without Covid & a certain country has achieved more with a little cough in one & a half years than it would done going to war for 20 years.

Agree but its still not the end of the world like people are over the top with the scaremongering,, its getting like a "Extinction Rebellion" rally the world is doomed we are all going to die,,,
Fact is 1.3% get seriously sick,,, 68% have no symptoms,, the rest dont get it or sick but not seriously,,,
Get a jab,,, less chance of being one of the 1.3% so all is looking better stop the panic,,,  if you have fever go get checked out, stay off social media saying "X" amout of covid cases,,, means nothing unless they are one of the 1.3%   it serves no purpose except scaring people.

Andybris2020 wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Which is why open debate and access to all opinions are needed not a site where a one sided highly edited, censored is the only posts allowed.
The down side is people are dying the upside is people are also surviving on a huge scale so it's not the end of the world that was back in 2012 lol

Well if you go by the stats its been the end of living in this world for nearly 4 million people & OK you can say some of them would have died or were on their way out anyways but if you even say out of that 4 million only 1 million were actually Covid deaths its still a lot of people who might have lived another couple of happy years without Covid & a certain country has achieved more with a little cough in one & a half years than it would done going to war for 20 years.

Agree but its still not the end of the world like people are over the top with the scaremongering,, its getting like a "Extinction Rebellion" rally the world is doomed we are all going to die,,,
Fact is 1.3% get seriously sick,,, 68% have no symptoms,, the rest dont get it or sick but not seriously,,,
Get a jab,,, less chance of being one of the 1.3% so all is looking better stop the panic,,,  if you have fever go get checked out, stay off social media saying "X" amout of covid cases,,, means nothing unless they are one of the 1.3%   it serves no purpose except scaring people.

It has caused heaps of other issues, such as getting home. Normally it would cost about 1.5-2k AUD for two us, now its going to cost about 11-12k AUD. Plus the fact that flights are booked out way in advance.

Andybris2020, It's not scaremongering, it's rational understanding of the seriousness of the disease, while you are hiding behind percentages as if that makes it all better and try to dismiss it as nothing much. 

Stop posting lies.  It's not the flu.

colinoscapee wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Well if you go by the stats its been the end of living in this world for nearly 4 million people & OK you can say some of them would have died or were on their way out anyways but if you even say out of that 4 million only 1 million were actually Covid deaths its still a lot of people who might have lived another couple of happy years without Covid & a certain country has achieved more with a little cough in one & a half years than it would done going to war for 20 years.

Agree but its still not the end of the world like people are over the top with the scaremongering,, its getting like a "Extinction Rebellion" rally the world is doomed we are all going to die,,,
Fact is 1.3% get seriously sick,,, 68% have no symptoms,, the rest dont get it or sick but not seriously,,,
Get a jab,,, less chance of being one of the 1.3% so all is looking better stop the panic,,,  if you have fever go get checked out, stay off social media saying "X" amout of covid cases,,, means nothing unless they are one of the 1.3%   it serves no purpose except scaring people.

It has caused heaps of other issues, such as getting home. Normally it would cost about 1.5-2k AUD for two us, now its going to cost about 11-12k AUD. Plus the fact that flights are booked out way in advance.

Believe or not believe in the seriousness of the Virus health wise, the facts are there to see, its turned the whole world as we know it upside down & the whole world will be paying for the consequences of it financially for decades to come (not oldies like me but our kids & grand kids) a whole bunch of cash has been thrown at this & it dont come FOC.

Testing update - part 2
queued for two hours in my allotted time slot and gave up, people running the test center have no idea what they are doing

my block 14.00 - 16.00 hrs with the next development over having the next two hours - several overheard conversations on mobile phones " get me in quicker" and mysteriously some names jump to the front of the queue - i shouldn't be surprised

turn up early and every other arrival after you gets put on top of the pile...

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Testing update - part 2
queued for two hours in my allotted time slot and gave up, people running the test center have no idea what they are doing

my block 14.00 - 16.00 hrs with the next development over having the next two hours - several overheard conversations on mobile phones " get me in quicker" and mysteriously some names jump to the front of the queue - i shouldn't be surprised

turn up early and every other arrival after you gets put on top of the pile...

think positive, at least you got an allotted time! ours was just a free for all .....the notice went out on the PA........1pm the testing will start for all residents block A, B,C,D,E & F, 2,000 apartments. But from what you described at least we got there early & was done in one & a half hours. When we came out there was literally thousands in the queue. I then sussed out later the best way was just not to go on the day they said & go the next day, cos we went up to check & the testing was ongoing the day after & no more than 20 people in the place.

Hello,

I had to remove once again posts from this thread.

Please let's stay away from unreliable and misleading information which add nothing to it.

Kindly stay on track with this thread's topic.

Thank you very much.

Diksha
Team Expat.com

Fancybear wrote:

*same stuff admin previously deleted*

...and you prove my point.

Your evangelical fervor can't simply allow you to let it go.

I'm expecting the KFC bucket to get passed soon...

Andybris2020 wrote:

paulmsn wrote:

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

I think this thread should be quarantined...

I'm starting to agree.  I can't believe the utter nonsense being posted.

You mean not in line with your thoughts so report and delete how very totalitarian of you.
Sorry for having a different point of view than you.

No, You have a biased point of view.  You want lockdowns to end, and that's the basis for all your claims, not science or reason.  Not all opinions are equal and yours lacks that backing, as does Fancybear's in a more egregious manner.  Using a percentage instead of the actual number of deaths to minimize the danger of the pandemic is illogical, coldhearted and dishonest, and calling COVID-19 flu is equally dishonest. 

The pandemic is the worst thing to hit the world since World War 2 -- we have dealt with it less strenuously than we should have, but you would have us do even less.

Diksha wrote:

Hello,

I had to remove once again posts from this thread.

Please let's stay away from unreliable and misleading information which add nothing to it.

Kindly stay on track with this thread's topic.

Thank you very much.

Diksha
Team Expat.com

Define misleading or unreliable? I'm not sure which posts you are referring to but as a whole the worldwide handling of covid- 18 has been at best unreliable. Once official source openly says completely the opposite to another.

Remember we were all told covid- is not airborne and can only survive upto 14 days outside the human body... And yet recently WHO confirms it is airborne and isolation should be 21 days .

colinoscapee wrote:

Has this Delta strain mutated here or was it brought in by someone from India where it was rampant?

I think the possibility of two separate mutations being identical is one in several tens of thousands or even millions.  To have that happen would be contrary to the nature of evolution which is divergent.  If the mutation occurred in Vietnam it would be the Epsilon strain.  Introduction from India seems way more likely.  Perhaps this exposes a flaw in the whole so-called "expert" exception.  Of course I am explicitly stating that which you tactfully implied.

It is important to note that an increase in contagiousness of a virus, as in all the known COVID-19 mutilations to date, does not necessarily mean an increase in lethality in individual cases.  The traits are separate.  In fact becoming overly lethal is not in the evolutionary interest of a virus.  Of course statistically a more infectious strain could kill more in a population but only because it infected more people than the prior strain would have infected.

UK back to levels of new cases experienced in January this year despite the number of vaccines given approaching. 40 million

This is getting frustrating!!! Is / Are affected countries especially Vietnam ever going to open there borders again to tourists??? I'm so looking forward to moving to Vietnam to retire and not have to work to be able to afford food and transportation.

robertbottle30 wrote:

This is getting frustrating!!! Is / Are affected countries especially Vietnam ever going to open there borders again to tourists??? I'm so looking forward to moving to Vietnam to retire and not have to work to be able to afford food and transportation.

I think the covid era will be 3 or 4 years so any return to 2019 is a long way off I fear

Food   rent here is =$16-$20 a day. A comfy life can be had $600 a month as of 2019. The visa renewals burned through quite a lot of money so add a $100. It's $700 a month here versus $900 a month in UK based on my knowledge of both countries.  You'll save $2400 a year. Then add in the flight back and forward every year or 2 and it starts to look not much of a saving at all. People say it is cheap but once added up, it's not that cheap.