Emergency visa

Currently oz expats being refused tourist visa extensions, no idea why, maybe its only expats from high risk countrys?
No issues currently with UK passport holders

This is the new regulation released by Immigration.

https://scontent.fdps3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ … e=5E9D5B50https://scontent.fdps3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ … e=5E9D7DA1

For foreigners that can't travel, not everyone.

Worth a note for the few that might try it on. A guess here, but that seems to exclude anyone that is physically, and actually, able to leave the country.

All British expats regardless of visa type are being processed with immigration zero issues this has been confirmed by the British embassay/ consulate in Indonedia the official generic letter, immigration say no need as its been agreed with the DG in Jakarta, i can only think due to human rights and sending people back to high risk countries as outlined by indonesia, i would advise any nationality to visit immigration and not bother turning up

Sounds both right and sensible.
I'm amazed the British government have been stupid enough to advise travel from a slightly infected country to one with worse problems and a lot of idiocy  like panic buying

I agree, however indonesia is very high up the table with regards to death rates to confirmed cases, compared to the vast majority
Last night i think 13th from 200 ish

The mortality rate is probably similar to other countries in my opinion. It just seems higher, I believe about 9.3% last time I checked, because of the very low number of tests that have been made on people.  The more tests they do, the higher the number of infected people and the lower the mortality rate. At the moment with this increased number of tests, the figure for those infected seems to be climbing to around a hundred or so per day....it's increasing pretty fast now.

Another thing is that Bali claims to have a low number of infected, I believe all or mostly are foreigners and some people are saying that there are none or hardly any local Balinese infected with Coronavirus. Yet, despite this, the local government is taking big steps to close many traditional events but allowing just some ritual events but with a limit of 25 people per event. And, I believe the 26th March means everyone must stay indoors (not sure if that is all of Bali or just in Gianyar) so that the government can disinfect everything. So in my opinion, the numbers of infected local Balinese is probably much higher than is being announced.

Here are the real percentages based on REPORTED cases, so that excludes unreported cases, and that's likely to be a lot considering many thought they had a bad cold

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir … ographics/

Posters might also notice the majority of deaths were over 70, AND had other serious illnesses, that suggesting the possibility covid 19 has actually killed a lot fewer than it's blamed for.

Fred is right about underlying illnesses playing a part, and initially they said over 60's were at highest risk and change changed that to over 70's. However, for some weeks now they are saying that people of younger ages are also at risk. If you look at some of the doctors who have died from Covid-19 I believe some were in their 40's or thereabouts. So really, those who believe it's only the very old and those with underlying illnesses who will be fatally infected are not exactly right.

Also, another major factor to note is that Covid-19 is going to hit smokers much harder than those who do not smoke. That's at the point when the victim is struggling to breath, the non-smokers have a better chance of pulling through.

As for "reported"news, I think most of us can agree that since Covid-19 appeared that the local news has been completely wrong, under reported the numbers, and totally untrustworthy. Even President  Jokowi himself has confirmed that he was not truthful about the real situation and was under stating the true numbers. This is in order to prevent riots and panic.

Shill88 wrote:

. Even President  Jokowi himself has confirmed that he was not truthful about the real situation and was under stating the true numbers. This is in order to prevent riots and panic.

Missed that - would you link to it please

Fred wrote:

Shill88 wrote:

. Even President  Jokowi himself has confirmed that he was not truthful about the real situation and was under stating the true numbers. This is in order to prevent riots and panic.

Missed that - would you link to it please

You must be on a different planet if you missed that, simple google search will point you in right direction

Fred wrote:

Here are the real percentages based on REPORTED cases, so that excludes unreported cases, and that's likely to be a lot considering many thought they had a bad cold

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir … ographics/

Posters might also notice the majority of deaths were over 70, AND had other serious illnesses, that suggesting the possibility covid 19 has actually killed a lot fewer than it's blamed for.

Exact same one i use, and indonesia still high on death rates/ %  to confirmed cases, regardless of age or undeying ilness, its the same all over the world,

It was allover the news and on every online news outlet including the Jakarta Post. Actually it is not new news, he made that admission publicly more than a week ago. I actually agree though that taking that action was maybe a smart move knowing how people can panic in Indonesia. As I said, he wanted to prevent a panic situation such as crowds breaking into supermarkets and stealing the rich etc. However, many people criticized him for doing this since people were not aware of how seriously Covid-19 had spread.

Anyway, once they start testing many many more people then they will find that so many more people than are currently being reported have the virus. That's why the mortality rate will drop. The current low mortality rate is purely because Indonesia have tested so few people.

Latest update is 686 people infected with Covid-19, as I said, now jumping by around a 100 more each day.

For British expats in indonesia, look on the  British Embassy Jakarta facebook page, explains in simple terms and dates of when and what to do, also information on flights etc

Based on the usual 4 to 5% fatality rates and Italy's exponential curve, should be around 20k+ infected in Jakarta now.

Syntoms will appear around 14 days time

@Tigansfx

That's my exact point. Due to the lack of testing early on we do not know the true number of infected. We only get to hear what is being reported based on the relatively few cases tested so far and we also know that those numbers are not accurate.

Also based on other countries, the quickest way that Indonesia is going to get past this is to enforce a lockdown in my opinion. Self isolation as many of us are currently doing only works if most of the people are doing it but it seems many are still not taking it all that seriously.

I dont think ts correct the assioma  "The more tests they do, the higher the number of infected people and the lower the mortality rate."
Just take a look at Italy, wich is the Country that have made more test in the world, have the higher number of positive cases and the higher mortality rate, almost 10%.
And I also think that is incorrect to claim that this virus is deadly only for eldery and old people, there are a lot of young and middle age people who develop pneumonia and need to be intubated and connected to a lung ventilators, and just because their immune system is still good, they can heal.
The problem is that many sanitary systems are close to collapse, and in this case, with not enough facilities, many of those who are unable to receive treatment will be at risk of death (of course I hope this never happen).

Marcello Manganese wrote:

I dont think ts correct the assioma  "The more tests they do, the higher the number of infected people and the lower the mortality rate."
Just take a look at Italy, wich is the Country that have made more test in the world, have the higher number of positive cases and the higher mortality rate, almost 10%.

Why don't you think so? Most of cases were spread by people who did not know they have the virus. If these people knows they will self isolate even from their family members.

By the time Italy took action, it was already too late.

Numbers vary wildly

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav … tio-2020-3

05% for germany, 9.8 for Italy
one wonders what factors come into play

Italy did not handle it well. Plus as they keep telling us, Italy has a higher number of very elderly people. Japan has the most elderly people, more than any other country but they probably handled it better in the early stages.

I seem to remember reading that the mayor of one town in Italy telling everyone to go and hug a Chinese person. A weird thing to say and clearly he wouldn't be saying that now. And remember that there were direct flights between Wuhan and Italy before.

Actually, I sometimes cannot believe that there were people in some countries accusing others who blocked flights from China as being xenophobic or racist. Common sense and safety should always supersede identity politics and politic correctness in my opinion.

The only 2 figures im intetested with that are being reported with at this moment are if accurate or not
recovered 109,143
Deaths         18,907

The rest no out come so % and ages i care nothing about

For British expats this is from the British Ambassador to indonesia

https://www.facebook.com/11838399817516 … l&vh=e

British Expats are being urged by the British Embassy Jakarta to pass on the following
Full name
D.O.B
Location within Indonesia ( or as accurate as possible)
Contact number
Any health issues
This can be done easily on the above Facebook page / messenger etc this is regardless if wishing to leave or stay

Shill88 wrote:

Actually, I sometimes cannot believe that there were people in some countries accusing others who blocked flights from China as being xenophobic or racist. Common sense and safety should always supersede identity politics and politic correctness in my opinion.

Nothing to do with that. Look at USA now.

There's no stopping it anymore. Only hope is to slow it down and also hope we find a vaccine or cure soon.

Gwmeath wrote:

British Expats are being urged by the British Embassy Jakarta to pass on the following
Full name
D.O.B
Location within Indonesia ( or as accurate as possible)
Contact number
Any health issues
This can be done easily on the above Facebook page / messenger etc this is regardless if wishing to leave or stay

I hope that's by private message.

Silly question, but has the FB page been verified as actually being what it claims to be? Grabbing that info is a criminal's wet dream.

Not silly questin. If going on the facebook page it explains how to do this and yes via private message
Totally verified account and is directly linked to  gov.uk

As correctly questioned earlier with regards to the above links being authentic, this link takes you directly to the gov.uk website and any of the links ie facebook etc take directly to official uk goverment (in this case indonesia) website

https://www.gov.uk/world/organisations/ … sy-jakarta

tiganasfx wrote:

Marcello Manganese wrote:

I dont think ts correct the assioma  "The more tests they do, the higher the number of infected people and the lower the mortality rate."
Just take a look at Italy, wich is the Country that have made more test in the world, have the higher number of positive cases and the higher mortality rate, almost 10%.

Why don't you think so? Most of cases were spread by people who did not know they have the virus. If these people knows they will self isolate even from their family members.

By the time Italy took action, it was already too late.

Of course a lot of people Is asympthomaic and this is one of reasons because the virus spread so fast, but how can governments koow them if they dont show any sympthom?
Italy took action in the best way possibile, adaptimg the restrictions ti the growing of cases, and many countries now are following Italy on that, so please dont said fake news.

Shill88 wrote:

Italy did not handle it well. Plus as they keep telling us, Italy has a higher number of very elderly people. Japan has the most elderly people, more than any other country but they probably handled it better in the early stages.

I seem to remember reading that the mayor of one town in Italy telling everyone to go and hug a Chinese person. A weird thing to say and clearly he wouldn't be saying that now. And remember that there were direct flights between Wuhan and Italy before.

Actually, I sometimes cannot believe that there were people in some countries accusing others who blocked flights from China as being xenophobic or racist. Common sense and safety should always supersede identity politics and politic correctness in my opinion.

Every country have idiot politicians, the difference is that in Italy he was one not from the government, in USA for example, the president himself claim until few days ago that citizens dont have to be worry, and now USA Is the country with more infected in the world, not mentioning others prime ministers of Countries as France, Spain, etc

Every country has their own way of handling it and many where the number of infected is high turn to a lockdown. It wouldn't surprise me if that is what will happen here.

For British Expats with Indonesian wife/ husband, children etc who may have been informed about none eu citizens travelling to the UK under current restrictions (myself one of them)
This is also documented on the British Embassy jakarta social media pages that are authentic

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 … izens.html

Gwmeath wrote:

For British Expats with Indonesian wife/ husband, children etc who may have been informed about none eu citizens travelling to the UK under current restrictions (myself one of them)
This is also documented on the British Embassy jakarta social media pages that are authentic

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 … izens.html

link wrote:

the United Kingdom – despite being one of the hardest-hit countries in Europe – has offered visa waivers for Indonesian relatives of British citizens.

Even if someone was inclined to move back, comparing conditions in the two countries at the moment means it would probably be extremely foolish to do so.

Fred wrote:

Gwmeath wrote:

For British Expats with Indonesian wife/ husband, children etc who may have been informed about none eu citizens travelling to the UK under current restrictions (myself one of them)
This is also documented on the British Embassy jakarta social media pages that are authentic

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 … izens.html

link wrote:

the United Kingdom – despite being one of the hardest-hit countries in Europe – has offered visa waivers for Indonesian relatives of British citizens.

Even if someone was inclined to move back, comparing conditions in the two countries at the moment means it would probably be extremely foolish to do so.

Certainly an option not to turn a nose up to and certainly one im pleased with, its only a case of flights for me and the family
Its a case of when here and not if it explodes unfortunately,