marriage and permanence

Hello mauovernet
Once married, you can apply for a 13A visa but you must keep your current visa up to date. Like a lot of paperwork here in the Philippines, don't expect it to go speedily. The 13A visa is for 5 years with the first year probationary, then renewed every 5 years. If you go overseas for your honeymoon and have your marriage certificate to present on your return, I believe you can get it stamped "Balikbyan" and have one years free visa while you are applying for your 13A. Others here are more knowledgeable than me, so if I am Wrong they will set you straight.
regards  Bruce

13A is for life as long as you live with the same wife and you can work without a permit. What is changing every 5 years is the ACR card not the visa

or you can just be a tourist and enter with your wife, extend for 2 years,... leave to vacation and come back with balikbayan waiver and get free year then repeat.

doble post sorry ...

geolefrench wrote:

13A is for life .........without a permit. ....

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what this means please...
without permit ?
thanks

geolefrench wrote:

13A is for life .........without a permit. ....

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what this means please...
without permit ?
thanks

Soonretired wrote:

or you can just be a tourist and enter with your wife, extend for 2 years,... leave to vacation and come back with balikbayan waiver and get free year then repeat.

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in my case ... i want  to relocate and move the rest of my life to philipines.... after get married, and start new family there... thas my question to stay to much years there ...maybe go outside one every years only

Travel in or out of the Philippines is a real headache...

Philippines not processing 13A visas right now.  Cancelled Visa on Arrival thus no Balikbayan for spouses of Filipinos.  Must apply for a 9(a) visa.  Get the 1 year visa for $90. 

due to CV19...

After 5 years you can apply for citizenship.  Just make sure your country allows dual citizenship or that you don't care if they don't.

for now...

i wil try to enter as a turist ..... in april 2021 ... to filippines ......
then get married ...and stay there as long as i can ....
TRHUST GOD AIRPORT OPEN ON APRIL 2021

NIPA HUT LAMB wrote:

After 5 years you can apply for citizenship.  Just make sure your country allows dual citizenship or that you don't care if they don't.

for now...

Last I heard it takes 10 years to become a citizen, along with other requirements, including being able to speak one of the languages fluently.  Know of no expat who has become a citizen.

I am not behind being a citizen ...
What I want is to stay there.
and not be going in and out every 4 - 5 months.
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any comment are always welcome thansk and bless....

The BI, Bureau of immigration allows US citizens 2....6-month tourist visa extensions, followed by 2-month extensions after that...........for 36 months. THEN, you must leave the country for at least 1 day before returning and getting your visa extensions again. For me, I make a day of it getting visa extension, shopping, seeing new spots, meeting new people. Then after 3 years, I take a short, and cheap, trip to Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok for a visit, take photos buy some souvenirs.

If you don't want to be bothered by going to the city BI office, there are many agencies that will process your visa extension/acr card for a small price.

Since you are married to a filipina, if she can "enter" the Philippines with you, you will get FREE, a 1 year Balikbayan visa...........but probably have to leave and come back together every year.

Hope this helps.....this has been my experience for 10 years here.

mauovernet wrote:

Soonretired wrote:

or you can just be a tourist and enter with your wife, extend for 2 years,... leave to vacation and come back with balikbayan waiver and get free year then repeat.

-
in my case ... i want  to relocate and move the rest of my life to philipines.... after get married, and start new family there... thas my question to stay to much years there ...maybe go outside one every years only

yes, thats what i did -(relocate and move the rest of my life to philipines.... after get married, and start new family there)-->
i am a "permanent tourist" i enter with my wife, get a free year balibayan stamp, at the end of the free year i extend and 6 mos later extend again, you just pay like 3000 ($75) peso or something,dont recall exactly, but you end up staying for 3 years total- with your original BB visa waiver year and 2 years of paid extensions. then you leave for a day and come back in with your wife and start all over.
so you leave every 3 years, which is fine with me since after 3 years here i am ready to see something different for a few days, we usually go to Singapore for 3-4 days. many people fly to  Macao out of subic or to cambodia or somewhere not too far away.

Soonretired wrote:

mauovernet wrote:

Soonretired wrote:

or you can just be a tourist and enter with your wife, extend for 2 years,... leave to vacation and come back with balikbayan waiver and get free year then repeat.

-
in my case ... i want  to relocate and move the rest of my life to philipines.... after get married, and start new family there... thas my question to stay to much years there ...maybe go outside one every years only

yes, thats what i did -(relocate and move the rest of my life to philipines.... after get married, and start new family there)-->
i am a "permanent tourist" i enter with my wife, get a free year balibayan stamp, at the end of the free year i extend and 6 mos later extend again, you just pay like 3000 ($75) peso or something,dont recall exactly, but you end up staying for 3 years total- with your original BB visa waiver year and 2 years of paid extensions. then you leave for a day and come back in with your wife and start all over.
so you leave every 3 years, which is fine with me since after 3 years here i am ready to see something different for a few days, we usually go to Singapore for 3-4 days. many people fly to  Macao out of subic or to cambodia or somewhere not too far away.

Yup...Singapore is a very safe bet...btw the  casino at Marina Bay Sands is pretty empty these days...maybe go for a  game of baccarat if you have the time.

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iam 3 years in the philippines  at the end of march. i must have an extension, what can I do?
go to CDO and ask for extension through the covid problems, it's difficult to go out for some days and come back again
marry?

give me your best advise

kind regards

Your correct and you cannot hold dual citizenship as a foreigner, you must renounce, why would you want to be a Filipino citizen, it is one of the few countries that do not let their people travel freely, the other countries are Cuba and N Korea

Exactly 😎

From other foreigners who have extended their tourist visas for three years they told me as long as they left the country, without a DNR on their record, they were allowed to start the three year extensions from scratch again.

onefogarty wrote:

From other foreigners who have extended their tourist visas for three years they told me as long as they left the country, without a DNR on their record, they were allowed to start the three year extensions from scratch again.

Yes. BEFORE covid.   (if the handler approve later periods when long time, which isnt sure.)
DURING covid its basicly same laws, but with the differences
/there can be problem to get in again.  As I have understood it they DONT make new start tourist Visas, except when its a step to get a longer visa needed to be apply for inside Ph.
/but BI seem nicer concerning allow extensions and not ban for overstays if paying the fees (and go there yourself, not got caught without.).

Retirement visa SRRV

Philippines allows dual citizenship now

After the one year probationary , the 13 a visa based on marriage does not require to be renewed . It is permanent u til such time the conditions of the visa are not met ( Filipina spouse passes away , marriage annulled etc) . What needs to be renewed every five years is the I-Acr card .
I had my probationary 13a in 5 weeks

wernervangelder wrote:

After the one year probationary , the 13 a visa based on marriage does not require to be renewed . It is permanent u til such time the conditions of the visa are not met ( Filipina spouse passes away , marriage annulled etc) . What needs to be renewed every five years is the I-Acr card .
I had my probationary 13a in 5 weeks

The acr-1 is the probationary (one year), the prelude  to 13A  which is then good for five years when it expires.

mauovernet wrote:

geolefrench wrote:

13A is for life .........without a permit. ....

-
what this means please...
without permit ?
thanks

The permit I believe being referred to is the 9(g) work visa.  He is sayin if you get 13 visa (permanent resident), you are excused from needing a work visa to be able to work legally in Pinas.

Only former Filipino citizen, foreigners must pledge allegiance to the Philippines and naturalized citizen of foreign nationals cannot hold dual citizenship, just as a Filipino who becomes a naturalized citizen of  the US looses their Filipino citizenship, it is not the US that takes it,it is the Philippines that does but they can get it back if move to the Philippines and keep their US citizenship also

Okieboy wrote:

Only former Filipino citizen, foreigners must pledge allegiance to the Philippines and naturalized citizen of foreign nationals cannot hold dual citizenship, just as a Filipino who becomes a naturalized citizen of  the US looses their Filipino citizenship

I don't think that is accurate.  There are many dual citizens in US.

Dual Nationality
"U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship."

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel … ality.html

Yes the US does but the Philippines requires you to renounce your citizenship and pledge to the Philippines, not really fair as Filipino can hold dual citizenship

Okieboy wrote:

Yes the US does but the Philippines requires you to renounce your citizenship and pledge to the Philippines, not really fair as Filipino can hold dual citizenship

That part could be true.

I'm actually thankful for that because once rich foreigners become citizens,  the paradise will be destroyed just like what you see in US shores.  It's mansions, hotels, and boats and more boats. 

Maybe Filipinos, on a deeper level, were chosen to be who they are -- nature-loving people who would rather live inward mainland than outward and  as such, allow everyone - locals and foreigners alike - to enjoy the preserved lush and beauty of the outward country sides.

Gardo Fuentes wrote:

I'm actually thankful for that because once rich foreigners become citizens,  the paradise will be destroyed just like what you see in US shores.  It's mansions, hotels, and boats and more boats. 

Maybe Filipinos, on a deeper level, were chosen to be who they are -- nature-loving people who would rather live inward mainland than outward and  as such, allow everyone - locals and foreigners alike - to enjoy the preserved lush and beauty of the outward country sides.

Whoa Bro,

The mark of success and its rewards determine your lifestyle. Except for the killing I  think the Kilmer Rouge tried your plan. Maybe the successful should take a vow of penitence instead of having the fruits of their labor.

What is rich? Somebody living on SS or a pension? Anyone who is "Rich" would probably find someplace better to live than here.

Filipinos did not choose the way they are, their current life was shaped by incompetent and corrupt political leadership.

Enzyte Bob wrote:

Whoa Bro,

The mark of success and its rewards determine your lifestyle. Except for the killing I  think the Kilmer Rouge tried your plan. Maybe the successful should take a vow of penitence instead of having the fruits of their labor.

What is rich? Somebody living on SS or a pension? Anyone who is "Rich" would probably find someplace better to live than here.

Filipinos did not choose the way they are, their current life was shaped by incompetent and corrupt political leadership.

That's OK.  You are free to express your opinion EB. 

Re rich, I meant the rich.  While you assert they would probably find someplace better to live than here, it does not mean they would not start buying beach front properties left and right.  It is just logical to do that. 

May I inquire if you have traveled much around Pinas?  I wonder if your view would differ if you had traveled more and really soak up.

Re your last sentence,  I think you went off-tangent with what I meant because I was merely saying how Pinoys (especially the rich) chose to live (not forced to live) inward (as in center land) instead of outward (as in coastal shores) and that is the  choice I was referring to.    But your reply seem more generic to the  poor and them having no choice due to the political corruption, which I respect and truthfully, I agree.  The country was, prior to Marcos plunder, was doing pretty well.  Shame he and his cronies muck it all up.

The visa is permanent . The acr card valid for five years . They are not the same . After permanent u never need to redo the visa but u need to renew acr card

wernervangelder wrote:

The visa is permanent . The acr card valid for five years . They are not the same . After permanent u never need to redo the visa but u need to renew acr card

I'm looking at my 13A card It says Permanent Resident, Expires 19 Feb 2026. When they issued the my card they took my ACR-1 card.

That is my point . Your acr card expires . Your visa not . 13 a visa is issued in your passport .
After permanent 13a there is no need to extend that visa . U just renew your acr card . Both have two completely different purposes .

Gardo Fuentes wrote:

I'm actually thankful for that because once rich foreigners become citizens,  the paradise will be destroyed just like what you see in US shores.  It's mansions, hotels, and boats and more boats. 

Maybe Filipinos, on a deeper level, were chosen to be who they are -- nature-loving people who would rather live inward mainland than outward and  as such, allow everyone - locals and foreigners alike - to enjoy the preserved lush and beauty of the outward country sides.

Well. Foreigners CAN get access to land in Phils by
/long time lease
/or by become part owner in a company which need land for its business.

(Although NO ONE can buy shores in Phils, all belong to the government and are public. (Except some as hotels have become allowed to long time lease shore parts for their guests.)

Enzyte Bob wrote:

(To Gardo Fuentes) Filipinos did not choose the way they are, their current life was shaped by incompetent and corrupt political leadership.

Well. Partly true, Very hard for poor by both by hard to get permits but hard to get start capital too. So poor need very much mental strength to get out of powerty.
But many are lazy too, finding it crazy to walk few houndred meters      Even many very  poor pay jeepney/tricycle instead of walk few hundred meters when they have money!!! 

But I know some good exceptions e g:
/Three sisters with an alcoholic father who made they lost their farm when they were kids.
As young grown ups the daughters took turns supporting each other, educating one at the time. Now 2 are teachers and one have computer education and work abroad, so I suppouse they can be counted as lower middle class in Filipino messure.
/An ex gf is farmer daughter too. Now she has a full time work as boss assistant in a private company PLUS earn an extra salary by her neighbours are to lazy to get 500 meters to supermarket to buy themselves...       Every Saturday she buy at normal price at the supermarket and carry home bear, cigarettes and such for a week and then her old mother get it sold when neighbours ask...
/My business partner has walked 2 x 10 km more than once when he had something to do in town but couldnt go by motorbike. (The "road" to the village is often deep mudd.) (Although he is tribe. They are much more prepared in mind to walk than average Filipinos.)

An other example of lazyness/not thinking ahead is in the Philippines there are much land NOT IN USE!!!  E g after harvesting forest (legaly) many dont replant!!!
(While in Sweden there are forests planted "everywhere"  (=around 2/3 of all land) inspite of forests grow very slow compared to Phils.)

Enzyte Bob wrote:

wernervangelder wrote:

The visa is permanent . The acr card valid for five years . They are not the same . After permanent u never need to redo the visa but u need to renew acr card

I'm looking at my 13A card It says Permanent Resident, Expires 19 Feb 2026. When they issued the my card they took my ACR-1 card.

Interesting.  I wonder if that would convert into a Citizenship opportunity like in US where PR expires in 5 years and then the Citizenship is offered.  Some take it, some opts to renew the PR status.

Hello everyone,

Please note that some off-topic and political post have been removed from this thread.

I would advice you to stay focus on the topic and to avoid political debates.

Cheers,

Cheryl
Expat.com team.

A foreigner cannot hold dual citizenship in the Philippines, only a Filipino can

Beaches belong to the States but they lease them under what is called a Foreshore lease it covers low tide and high tide for usage by resorts

Okie-Sure doesn't seem very fair to me. Philippino can go to America and live there a number of years and obtain US citizenship thus dual in their own country. A foreigner in the Philippines can not become a citizen in the Philippines. Only if they are born here.Go figure!