Wondering if this is true about Doncaster city in England

Numbers are one thing, but they don't tell the social story.
Drug dealers infest both places, shops are all but gone in many of the main sopping steets, and dogging is far from uncommon.
Drunks, especially on the weekends, are scattered around the streets like old kebab wrappers, both going where ever the wind takes them.

Sounds like my kind of Town  .

Dunno - using per capita surveys are useful as long as someone lives there; half the places they used to prove there point have one thing in common, lots of rocks, grass and trees.

Fred wrote:

Numbers are one thing, but they don't tell the social story.
Drug dealers infest both places, shops are all but gone in many of the main sopping steets, and dogging is far from uncommon.
Drunks, especially on the weekends, are scattered around the streets like old kebab wrappers, both going where ever the wind takes them.

Thank you Fred,
its good to know the truth from a 'first hand' source

kittycat1 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Numbers are one thing, but they don't tell the social story.
Drug dealers infest both places, shops are all but gone in many of the main sopping steets, and dogging is far from uncommon.
Drunks, especially on the weekends, are scattered around the streets like old kebab wrappers, both going where ever the wind takes them.

Thank you Fred,
its good to know the truth from a 'first hand' source

I should add - I've lived there for 25 years.

Cynic wrote:

kittycat1 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Numbers are one thing, but they don't tell the social story.
Drug dealers infest both places, shops are all but gone in many of the main sopping steets, and dogging is far from uncommon.
Drunks, especially on the weekends, are scattered around the streets like old kebab wrappers, both going where ever the wind takes them.

Thank you Fred,
its good to know the truth from a 'first hand' source

I should add - I've lived there for 25 years.

Thats great Cynic,

you are still alive to tell

that confirms (once again) that
what you read on public media
might sometimes be 'all much ado about nothing'

kittycat1 wrote:

Cynic wrote:

kittycat1 wrote:

Thank you Fred,
its good to know the truth from a 'first hand' source

I should add - I've lived there for 25 years.

Thats great Cynic,

you are still alive to tell

that confirms (once again) that
what you read on public media
might sometimes be 'all much ado about nothing'

Almost certainly; Sheffield and Doncaster are just like many towns/cities you will find anywhere in the world.  My daughter lives in Doncaster, she's been there for over 10 years and never had a problem; that said, she knows where not to go to avoid those place Fred spoke about.  Sheffield, I worked there on and off ever since we moved to the UK;  what you have are racial ghettos, you get like a Somali area, or a Bengali area etc - weird that some people spend a lot of time and money leaving their home country for "a better life", then as soon as they get there, try and recreate their home country.

Cynic wrote:

I should add - I've lived there for 25 years.

I lived in that area and around for 45 years (Ha ha - beat you ), and I'm seriously happy to be out of it. Sheffield is a mess, a tidy one, so more of a social mess, and Doncaster is just a mess.
I've quite open minded in an ex-biker sort of way, but I was never stupid enough to mess with drugs, and I've never done any dogging, at least not when people were about - and I really hope there were no security cameras in Rotherham market or I may be on Youtube.

More serious, as I've just admitted a crime or two, I would not move back to the UK unless I really had to. It's like a really stinky toilet, you don't realise just how much of a bad small has built up until you get out.

Fred, Cynic,

For me, it's interesting your both approach about UK, generaly speaking

I guess thou and Im must be not the only one to think, but in my humble opinion, as a casual tourist, I had a surprising completely different point of view of your country than what you think, (people, social customs, every place Ive been to , cities,..)

How this could be? Simple: Im  just had an overall great impression because I've enjoyed my time there, the key answer is: yes, I positively did.

Throrough centuries of long fastinating Ancient History past, UK has an special enchanting ancient touchalong with the 'classy way of speaking' -charming English accent-old school- that and the sum of all above,
it have been keeping me spellbound mersmerized since I first visited it.


 

Charming English accent??????
I can see you didn't visit Barnsley 
Received pronunciation, for 'tis is its name, is spoken by around 4% of the UK's population - the rest of us speaking our own versions.

England, and the other bits, is heaving with history. The Doncaster area is hardly short; Coninsbrough castle probably being the big one in that area. I'm a casual history buff, so I went out of my way to visit as many historical sites as I could, even minor ones such as our town gaol and what's left of the hanging pit. However, York is the place to be if you want to wander through a thousand years in around 2 or 3 miles of walking.

I guess I see it from the perspective of a national that has spent most of his life working everywhere else but there.  I see the world not from a tourist perspective, but as someone who has seen the less savoury parts of our planet, at least I think I do.

Language, or better described as your dialect is typically something that identifies where you're from.  I speak English naturally with a southern accent, people who don't know better assume I'm a Cockney; but I now live in Yorkshire (have for 25 years) when I go out, I automatically adopt a Yorkshire accent, people who don't know me assume I'm a local.  On top of all this, we're a multilingual family - we all speak Dutch, German and English, when I speak Dutch, people assume I'm what they call a Tukker because I speak it with their dialect from Eastern Holland.  Bizarrely, my son speaks Dutch with a Yorkshire accent, our eldest (who actually lives there) speaks it with an English accent.

As for history - I live about 25 yards from what is claimed to be the place where King Athelstan had one of his dwellings; who on earth is he - he was the first English Anglo-Saxon king that nobody has ever heard of.  I only know about it because every time somebody does something that requires digging a hole in the ground, more moaning from people who don't live here - they've never found anything and have built a school on top of it and named it after him, that really got them excited.

All that said, we like it here; there's nothing that would persuade me to go back down south.  We had intended returning to Holland, but it's just to difficult to pack up 65 years of your life and move again.