The dangers of some areas of Bali, especially Kuta

It seems the head of the Kuta local government and I are wrong. Strongly, I was chatting to 2 other expats this evening about their trips to Bali, and they're also wrong.
So many people are wrong about the state of tourism in Bali - it's terrible.

It appears there is only a minimal pimp problem so perhaps I misunderstood and 'lady lady' means they're selling some sort of perfume, and perhaps the weed I was offered so many times were offers of gardening services.

So many blogs that tell exactly the same story about what Kuta's problem tourist have brought with them are also wrong. Perhaps I could link to a hundred more so you can complain about every one in turn.
Still, I suppose you should make a start by getting the local government head removed as he has said pretty much what I have.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ … 1ac4109bb8

The newspapers are also wrong - Bloody press, someone should tell them how wrong they are.

Every corner in Kuta a drug store
YOU can pick them at a glance, waiting for their next target. None offered a price, just said "grass?" "grass?" Welcome to Kuta, Indonesia.
T-shirt? A T-shirt? Cocaine?" The jump from clothing to drugs confused me. So I asked him again.

"Cocaine? You want cocaine or grass?" he replied. He was just the first.

I was approached seven times in about half an hour walking down popular Legian St in Kuta.

You can pick them at a glance, standing by the roadside smoking a cigarette and waiting for their next target. None offered a price, just said "grass?" "grass?"

Others said "ganja ganja?"

It was early evening and the street was still bustling with hundreds of tourists heading back from Kuta beach.

Each dealer looked the same. Focused, middle-aged men in a T-shirt and old jeans. They didn't look high themselves, just out to make some money. Some followed me for a couple of metres before dropping back in defeat.

By the end of the strip I was brushing them off with the same determination mustered at the polling booth on election day when forced to fight off those pesky pamphlet pushing volunteers.

I wasn't the only one approached by these dealers. Brooke Clifford, 26, of Sydney, travelled to Bali last Tuesday.

"I have been offered drugs repeatedly every day since I arrived. It is just constant. Everything from weed to cocaine and pills," she said.

"The dealers just sit on the side of the road and spit out 'charlie?' or 'grass'.

"At nightclubs they offer the drugs by showing you it in their hands. I just walk away.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-24/ … li/8553246

Being offered drugs in Kuta's tourist strip
On Kuta's tourist strip, Bali's drug dealers work the crowd in gangs of five or six people.

Finding a deal is as simple as making eye contact. I do that — and the lookout approaches.

"What you got?" I ask.

"Cocaine," he replies before taking me around the corner, on a slightly darker street, to meet the dealer.

no drugs, and no prostitutes

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u … 1fe84f5ee0

Just read it.

There are very clearly problems in other areas of Indonesia, albeit mostly in the biggest cities, Bali has attracted the worst and most blatant of everything.
I've been offered women and drugs outside Kuta, but never openly in the street, and fewer in 13+ years than I was in the first day in Kuta.

Try to hide it all you like, but expats looking at life in that bit of Bali should be aware there are problems they will face every time they enter town.

Ubudian wrote:

So with that said, I will end by extending my invitation to you and yours that on your next visit to Bali…come see us in Ubud, and let us gladly show you the real Bali.

Sadly, just as I was about the visit the Java end of the island for work, the company had issues that forced me to postpone, then cancel.
Hell of a pity as I would have been there for a week, but only 3 days working, then on to Sumba for a few days before returning to Jakarta.
If I have work down there again, I'll drive down, but I'll avoid Kuta like the plague .. or maybe go there with my small, covert camera on my backpack.

Fred wrote:

It seems the head of the Kuta local government and I are wrong. Strongly, I was chatting to 2 other expats this evening about their trips to Bali, and they're also wrong.
So many people are wrong about the state of tourism in Bali - it's terrible.

It appears there is only a minimal pimp problem so perhaps I misunderstood and 'lady lady' means they're selling some sort of perfume, and perhaps the weed I was offered so many times were offers of gardening services.

So many blogs that tell exactly the same story about what Kuta's problem tourist have brought with them are also wrong. Perhaps I could link to a hundred more so you can complain about every one in turn.
Still, I suppose you should make a start by getting the local government head removed as he has said pretty much what I have.

The Bali head, me, the others long terms Bali expats and others blog that expose the situation in Kuta are not wrong, the only one wrong is you with ur exggerated rappresantion of the reality, every day thousands of expats, tourists and families with kids walks the street of Kuta, and none of them is approached by drug dealres and pimps, whor eserve their attention towards singles male like u, mostly of wich are there loocking exactly for that.

Fred wrote:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/every-corner-in-kuta-a-drug--store/news-story/a66ee7d20654a68868e0b51ac4109bb8

The newspapers are also wrong - Bloody press, someone should tell them how wrong they are.

Every corner in Kuta a drug store
YOU can pick them at a glance, waiting for their next target. None offered a price, just said "grass?" "grass?" Welcome to Kuta, Indonesia.
T-shirt? A T-shirt? Cocaine?" The jump from clothing to drugs confused me. So I asked him again.

"Cocaine? You want cocaine or grass?" he replied. He was just the first.

I was approached seven times in about half an hour walking down popular Legian St in Kuta.

You can pick them at a glance, standing by the roadside smoking a cigarette and waiting for their next target. None offered a price, just said "grass?" "grass?"

Others said "ganja ganja?"

It was early evening and the street was still bustling with hundreds of tourists heading back from Kuta beach.

Each dealer looked the same. Focused, middle-aged men in a T-shirt and old jeans. They didn't look high themselves, just out to make some money. Some followed me for a couple of metres before dropping back in defeat.

By the end of the strip I was brushing them off with the same determination mustered at the polling booth on election day when forced to fight off those pesky pamphlet pushing volunteers.

I wasn't the only one approached by these dealers. Brooke Clifford, 26, of Sydney, travelled to Bali last Tuesday.

"I have been offered drugs repeatedly every day since I arrived. It is just constant. Everything from weed to cocaine and pills," she said.

"The dealers just sit on the side of the road and spit out 'charlie?' or 'grass'.

"At nightclubs they offer the drugs by showing you it in their hands. I just walk away.

U continue to manipulate articles, thats the testimony of a single person, but u sarcastically pretend to claim that all the newspapaers are wrong, u are really embarrassing urself.

Fred wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-24/are-drugs-still-rife-on-the-streets-of-bali/8553246

Being offered drugs in Kuta's tourist strip
On Kuta's tourist strip, Bali's drug dealers work the crowd in gangs of five or six people.

Finding a deal is as simple as making eye contact. I do that — and the lookout approaches.

"What you got?" I ask.

"Cocaine," he replies before taking me around the corner, on a slightly darker street, to meet the dealer.

Same as above, something that happens in Kuta, everybody knoes that, and many tourists go there looking excatly for that, sounds this familiar to u, Fred?

Fred wrote:

no drugs, and no prostitutes

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u … 1fe84f5ee0

Just read it.

There are very clearly problems in other areas of Indonesia, albeit mostly in the biggest cities, Bali has attracted the worst and most blatant of everything.
I've been offered women and drugs outside Kuta, but never openly in the street, and fewer in 13+ years than I was in the first day in Kuta.

Try to hide it all you like, but expats looking at life in that bit of Bali should be aware there are problems they will face every time they enter town.

Same as above, nobody hide nothing, u can find hundreds of articles like that, but u are completely wrong with ur exaggerrated and manipolated version of the reality, I already I have already demonstrated point by point on each of your posts.

Fred wrote:

Ubudian wrote:

So with that said, I will end by extending my invitation to you and yours that on your next visit to Bali…come see us in Ubud, and let us gladly show you the real Bali.

Sadly, just as I was about the visit the Java end of the island for work, the company had issues that forced me to postpone, then cancel.
Hell of a pity as I would have been there for a week, but only 3 days working, then on to Sumba for a few days before returning to Jakarta.
If I have work down there again, I'll drive down, but I'll avoid Kuta like the plague .. or maybe go there with my small, covert camera on my backpack.

what a lier u are!!! U stated that u been in Kuta for a few days holiday, to meet a friend, but thats what happen to compulsory lier, comes a time when they cant remember all their lies and fall into contradiction.

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I do not live in Bali, but a few days there told me a lot about Kuta and some parts of the south.
I met a friend...

Fred, why dont u publish something like this? its the most disgusting crimin that exist, and it happen right in the region where u live/
https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/publi … 123814.pdf
"The  plan  also  identifies  five  forms  of  child  labour  as  the  most  urgent  to  be  targeted  for  elimination  in  Indonesia  within  a  five-years.  These  are:  children  involved  in  the  sale,  production  and  trafficking of drugs, trafficking of children for prostitution, child labour in the footwear sector; in mining; and in off-shore fishing"
."Disguised  prostitution  is  expanding  not  only  in  big  cities  but  across  suburban areas. According to Suyanto, prostitution activities in East Java have spread  from  Surabaya  to  neighbouring  areas,  such  as  Tretes,  Malang,  Kediri,  Jember and others.. And while Bandung, the capital of West Java,  still  has  the  heaviest  concentration  of  entertainment  businesses,  which  are   used   for   disguised   prostitution,   many   are   springing   up   along   the developing   stretch   of   Pantura   (North   coast   of   Java)   that   reaches   from Krawang, Subang and Purwakarta to Indramayu.  "

Or this
https://vc.bridgew.edu/cgi/viewcontent. … ntext=jiws
"Indonesia is one of the 77 countries that have   tried to stop human trafficking and the results have been unsuccessful. Indonesia is known worldwide as one the main traffickers of humans. The number  of  trafficked  victims  in  Indonesia  could increase  to  75,000 to  1  million  (Kesjer,  2005).  Each year the number of trafficked women and children has tended to increase."
Please not that both reports regarded Indonesia, bur Bali is never mentioned as part of that crimes actvities,

Marcello Manganese wrote:

The Bali head, me, the others long terms Bali expats and others blog that expose the situation in Kuta are not wrong

WHAT?
There is a drug, prostitute, rip off, and drunken tourists riding motorcycles set of problems in Kuta - I'm shocked.

We have seen a series of deflections with the reasoning other big cities and tourist areas have similar problems, religious bigotry suggesting the Javanese are nasty to foreigners, then suggestions I go looking for pros and a high.

Now you admit it's all true.

Just by way of a note, the reason I see these things is I walk around with my eyes open, then say what I see. I don't make it up or enhance details, just say what I see.

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.p … 573#527221

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Fred, why dont u publish something like this? its the most disgusting crimin that exist, and it happen right in the region where u live/

Whilst there is clearly a problem in many areas of Indonesia, Kuta is by far the worst and, as this thread is about Kuta, it would be off topic. Trying to derail by claiming Kuta isn't by far the worst place in Indonesia for these sorts of crimes is silly.
I really can't see why you're using lies and made up 'facts' to defend your position, but it's far from clever because it's impossible to hide the situation.
Yes, other areas have the same issues, but not on the scale Kuta suffers.

https://neighborwebsj.com/uncategorized … n-knm-gro/

Since the early 2000s, child prostitution has become an increasingly difficult issue for Indonesia. This issue particularly affects the party islands of Bali and Batam where tourists exploit the child sex trade. As “sex tourism” rises worldwide, Indonesia has become a major “destination country” for human trafficking. It is estimated that approximately 100,000 children and women are trafficked each year in Indonesia – 30 percent are below the age of 18.

https://www.theyakmag.com/fighting-paedophilia-in-bali/

An Aussie ex-cop on the fight against child sex in Indonesia, starting with the worst area - Bali

Fred wrote:

Marcello Manganese wrote:

The Bali head, me, the others long terms Bali expats and others blog that expose the situation in Kuta are not wrong

WHAT?
There is a drug, prostitute, rip off, and drunken tourists riding motorcycles set of problems in Kuta - I'm shocked.

We have seen a series of deflections with the reasoning other big cities and tourist areas have similar problems, religious bigotry suggesting the Javanese are nasty to foreigners, then suggestions I go looking for pros and a high.

Now you admit it's all true.

Just by way of a note, the reason I see these things is I walk around with my eyes open, then say what I see. I don't make it up or enhance details, just say what I see.

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.p … 573#527221

I admin what? That there is some criminale activity in a small district of Kuta Just like in all the the world, but I proved that in Java, where u live, Is very, very worse, a large amount of child knippapded to make them prostitutes and drug dealers, but hey, u are a candid soul who Is shocked if a pimp or a drug dealear approch u whole u are walking a street in Kuta and u starts a drama pretending to make people believe that thats Is what happen everyday to everyone who walk that street, wich Is obvisiouly false!!!
Ah, I fargot to ask a question to u....
Why di u choose to spend ur few days holiday in Bali in the well known dark side of Kuta, instead that in one of the many outstanding places they Bali has ti offer?

Fred wrote:

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Fred, why dont u publish something like this? its the most disgusting crimin that exist, and it happen right in the region where u live/

Whilst there is clearly a problem in many areas of Indonesia, Kuta is by far the worst and, as this thread is about Kuta, it would be off topic. Trying to derail by claiming Kuta isn't by far the worst place in Indonesia for these sorts of crimes is silly.
I really can't see why you're using lies and made up 'facts' to defend your position, but it's far from clever because it's impossible to hide the situation.
Yes, other areas have the same issues, but not on the scale Kuta suffers.

https://neighborwebsj.com/uncategorized … n-knm-gro/

Since the early 2000s, child prostitution has become an increasingly difficult issue for Indonesia. This issue particularly affects the party islands of Bali and Batam where tourists exploit the child sex trade. As “sex tourism” rises worldwide, Indonesia has become a major “destination country” for human trafficking. It is estimated that approximately 100,000 children and women are trafficked each year in Indonesia – 30 percent are below the age of 18.

https://www.theyakmag.com/fighting-paedophilia-in-bali/

An Aussie ex-cop on the fight against child sex in Indonesia, starting with the worst area - Bali

Now u are really embarasssing urself, one case against millions that happens in Indonesia, mostly in Java, but of course, the official report I posted above where Bali Is not mentioned as part of that criminal activity Is wrong, they forgot to ask ur qualified consultant!!!

Marcello Manganese wrote:

, but I proved that in Java, where u live, Is very, very worse, a large amount of child knippapded to make them prostitutes and drug dealers

No, you showed there's a problem in other parts of Indonesia, but did nothing to show Bali, especially Kuta, is easily the worst area. All the child protection agencies say Bali is by far the worst area, that rather filthy trade being driven by an especially vile group of tourists.
I have no problem accepting these things happen in many areas, probably including my little corner, but nothing like on the scale Kuta sees.
Why do you keep lying about it, even after seeing the links to agencies that show you're wrong?

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Ah, I fargot to ask a question to u....
Why di u choose to spend ur few days holiday in Bali in the well known dark side of Kuta, instead that in one of the many outstanding places they Bali has ti offer?

Because I was meeting a mate I hadn't seen in years and he wanted to meet on Bali as he was doing a massage/Yoga course there.

However, you keep admitting Kuta has a nasty side (see the bold), then try to deflect. One has to ask why you do that when child protection and drug enforcement agencies are clear the problem.
Why would you want to hide an especially obnoxious set of problems and try to sweep them under the carpet?
It makes no sense, especially when the police in at least two countries, child protection agencies, the head of the local government, and everyone else except you and a couple of others on this thread say my take on the situation is accurate.
I can only think of two reasons anyone would deny the situation, one being a warped sense of loyality, the other far less pleasant to think about. I rather hope it's the former, but I'm starting to wonder.

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Now u are really embarasssing urself, one case against millions that happens in Indonesia, mostly in Java, but of course, the official report I posted above where Bali Is not mentioned as part of that criminal activity Is wrong, they forgot to ask ur qualified consultant!!!

So show it's a greater problem in java by adding links and quotes rather than making up 'facts' that none of the agencies agree with.
Of course Java has problems, but nothing like on the scale expats will see in Kuta, whether they want to or not.

Fred wrote:

Marcello Manganese wrote:

, but I proved that in Java, where u live, Is very, very worse, a large amount of child knippapded to make them prostitutes and drug dealers

No, you showed there's a problem in other parts of Indonesia, but did nothing to show Bali, especially Kuta, is easily the worst area. All the child protection agencies say Bali is by far the worst area, that rather filthy trade being driven by an especially vile group of tourists.
I have no problem accepting these things happen in many areas, probably including my little corner, but nothing like on the scale Kuta sees.
Why do you keep lying about it, even after seeing the links to agencies that show you're wrong?

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Ah, I fargot to ask a question to u....
Why di u choose to spend ur few days holiday in Bali in the well known dark side of Kuta, instead that in one of the many outstanding places they Bali has ti offer?

Because I was meeting a mate I hadn't seen in years and he wanted to meet on Bali as he was doing a massage/Yoga course there.

However, you keep admitting Kuta has a nasty side (see the bold), then try to deflect. One has to ask why you do that when child protection and drug enforcement agencies are clear the problem.
Why would you want to hide an especially obnoxious set of problems and try to sweep them under the carpet?
It makes no sense, especially when the police in at least two countries, child protection agencies, the head of the local government, and everyone else except you and a couple of others on this thread say my take on the situation is accurate.
I can only think of two reasons anyone would deny the situation, one being a warped sense of loyality, the other far less pleasant to think about. I rather hope it's the former, but I'm starting to wonder.

U really are a professional manupolater, u pubblish a link regarding the report of a single aussie private investigator and pretend that Is an official statement of agencies of child protection (wich ones?), head of the government (who?) and everyone else( who?).
The only official report of ILO global. Child Labor Is the One I pubblish above, and It cleary states that the disgusting criminal activities related  child kninapped to make them prostitutes and drug dealers Is a very big plague in Indonesia, specially in Java, but they dont mention Bali like part of that!!!!
If u choose to spend ur few day holiday in Bali in he well known dark district of Kuta to meet a friend, why in another post above u claim that u been sent there for work?
And with all the lot of amazing SPA in Bali, u and  ur friend went for a massage in the only Place where everybody knows that they can find massage +++?
Oh ya, probably ur friend Is a candid soul just like u are.
And u dare to insinuate that I am a pedhofile?
Do u know that its a serious crime?
Do u think that u can do that without consequences just because till now some moderator let u do what u want?
Di u know that exsist the internet Police?
Be carefull to accuse people, I still have also the private messages with personal offences u sent to me.

Fred wrote:

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Now u are really embarasssing urself, one case against millions that happens in Indonesia, mostly in Java, but of course, the official report I posted above where Bali Is not mentioned as part of that criminal activity Is wrong, they forgot to ask ur qualified consultant!!!

So show it's a greater problem in java by adding links and quotes rather than making up 'facts' that none of the agencies agree with.
Of course Java has problems, but nothing like on the scale expats will see in Kuta, whether they want to or not.

Oh, now the agencies are to blame because they dont agree something false like ur ridicolous articles. Wow!!!
"Nothing like on the scale expats will see in Kuta"? Not like millions of child kninapped in Indonesia, mostly in Java that u call Just "a problem"?
Unbelieveble

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Diksha wrote:

We understand that these experiences may have been different for each of you. Please note that opposing views should be expressed without condemning each other.

Quite so, but can we add avoiding religious bigotry to the list, please?

scouser59 wrote:

maybe you are one of those guys whom is attracted to the "dark side".

scouser59 wrote:

It does not compare to java where infidels like me are made to feel uncomfortable ,lets not get into the "din" 5 times a day , increased levels of crime , women in the larger cities will not wear gold as they do in bali

Marcello Manganese wrote:

And with all the lot of amazing SPA in Bali, u and  ur friend went for a massage in the only Place where everybody knows that they can find massage +++?
Oh ya, probably ur friend Is a candid soul just like u are.

Diksha wrote:

Hello everyone,

Thank you everybody for sharing your opinions and real-life experiences.

We understand that these experiences may have been different for each of you. Please note that opposing views should be expressed without condemning each other.

Kindly be respectful when sharing information.

Thank you,

Diksha
Team Expat.com

The poimt is not to have different experience, butthat  a member here share false information manopulating articles, extrapolating sentences from their context to give them a different meaning from the original one, as well as insulting other members in private without any moderator taking the measures esthbilished by the rules of this forum and also insinuating in a subdle way, in a pubblic post, that I would be a pedophile, still without paying any consequenses, see below.

"I can only think of two reasons anyone would deny the situation, one being a warped sense of loyality, the other far less pleasant to think about. I rather hope it's the former, but I'm starting to wonder."

Marcello Manganese wrote:

The poimt is not to have different experience, butthat  a member here share false information manopulating articles,

True, you have, but expats considering a move to the Kuta area will be able to see the reality and sort out their own opinions. Kuta, unlike most of Indonesia, has very 'in your face' problems that you can hardly miss if you walk around the town. It's perfectly true Java and many other places have issues, but it isn't pushed at you in the same way it is in Kuta.

As I mentioned before, Kuta's head has spoken up about the issues you claim don't exist. I'm assured I hate Bali, so perhaps you'd like to suggest he does as well - or maybe that would be unwise.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 … -bali.html

The thousands of visitors that flock to Bali every year are starting to get under the skin of Kuta village head I Wayan Wasista, whose village has metamorphosed from rice paddies and fisher villages to an all-day tourist epicenter.From begging and alcohol-induced acts to crimes like theft and skimming, he expressed concerns about the rising numbers of lawbreaking visitors in his area.“Back then, would we have ever envisioned that there would be tourists committing crimes, like skimming or robbery? I’m quite surprised myself. How have we come to this?” Wasista asked. Wasista’s qualms reflect a public order problem that has haunted Bali ever since it saw a huge visitor uptick in the last decade or two, experts say. In a broader context, it presents a big challenge for Indonesia’s shift in economic focus to tourism

Tell me, is he making it up and 'manopulating' (sic) articles?

Fred wrote:

Marcello Manganese wrote:

The poimt is not to have different experience, butthat  a member here share false information manopulating articles,

True, you have, but expats considering a move to the Kuta area will be able to see the reality and sort out their own opinions. Kuta, unlike most of Indonesia, has very 'in your face' problems that you can hardly miss if you walk around the town. It's perfectly true Java and many other places have issues, but it isn't pushed at you in the same way it is in Kuta.

As I mentioned before, Kuta's head has spoken up about the issues you claim don't exist. I'm assured I hate Bali, so perhaps you'd like to suggest he does as well - or maybe that would be unwise.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 … -bali.html

The thousands of visitors that flock to Bali every year are starting to get under the skin of Kuta village head I Wayan Wasista, whose village has metamorphosed from rice paddies and fisher villages to an all-day tourist epicenter.From begging and alcohol-induced acts to crimes like theft and skimming, he expressed concerns about the rising numbers of lawbreaking visitors in his area.“Back then, would we have ever envisioned that there would be tourists committing crimes, like skimming or robbery? I’m quite surprised myself. How have we come to this?” Wasista asked. Wasista’s qualms reflect a public order problem that has haunted Bali ever since it saw a huge visitor uptick in the last decade or two, experts say. In a broader context, it presents a big challenge for Indonesia’s shift in economic focus to tourism

Tell me, is he making it up and 'manopulating' (sic) articles?

Yes, u still manipulare, the head of Kuta village espressed his concern about ctimes happens in Kuta, yuzt the same of all of US, but didnt stateed that people are unsafe waliking the street like u claim,every day thousand of families with kids, expats and tourists walks the streets of Kuta without any problem at all (of course before Covid).
Moreover u still continue to call Just "a problem" the million of children kninapped in Indonesia (mostly in Java but not in Bali, accotding with the official report I posted above) to make them prostitutes and drug dealers.
And what u have to say about the disgusting personal offences that u sent to me in private?

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Yes, u still manipulare, the head of Kuta village espressed his concern about ctimes happens in Kuta,

Yes, I admit it.
I used the words of Kuta's head saying mass tourism had brought a lot of crime to Kuta to make it look like he said tourism had brought a lot of crime to Kuta.
I feel terrible about distorting his words saying how tourism has brought a lot of crime with it to make it look like he said it.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 … -bali.html

The thousands of visitors that flock to Bali every year are starting to get under the skin of Kuta village head I Wayan Wasista, whose village has metamorphosed from rice paddies and fisher villages to an all-day tourist epicenter.From begging and alcohol-induced acts to crimes like theft and skimming, he expressed concerns about the rising numbers of lawbreaking visitors in his area.“Back then, would we have ever envisioned that there would be tourists committing crimes, like skimming or robbery? I’m quite surprised myself. How have we come to this?” Wasista asked. Wasista’s qualms reflect a public order problem that has haunted Bali ever since it saw a huge visitor uptick in the last decade or two, experts say. In a broader context, it presents a big challenge for Indonesia’s shift in economic focus to tourism

How wrong I am - or maybe not

Fred, you need to stop. You already lost this argument on page one, and I think Ubudian summed it up nicely:

"....your knowledge and understanding of Bali is not up to the standards which are needed by the expatriate community.  "

I think people whom have limited experience of an area should not post like a "supposed  expert" on a public forum , it is wasting peoples time to read the BS ,ya some people have "nowt better to do" .

Shill and Scouesr, totally agree, also a member dont should be allowed to send personal offences in private to another membe as Fred did to me.

Fred wrote:

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Yes, u still manipulare, the head of Kuta village espressed his concern about ctimes happens in Kuta,

Yes, I admit it.
I used the words of Kuta's head saying mass tourism had brought a lot of crime to Kuta to make it look like he said tourism had brought a lot of crime to Kuta.
I feel terrible about distorting his words saying how tourism has brought a lot of crime with it to make it look like he said it.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 … -bali.html

The thousands of visitors that flock to Bali every year are starting to get under the skin of Kuta village head I Wayan Wasista, whose village has metamorphosed from rice paddies and fisher villages to an all-day tourist epicenter.From begging and alcohol-induced acts to crimes like theft and skimming, he expressed concerns about the rising numbers of lawbreaking visitors in his area.“Back then, would we have ever envisioned that there would be tourists committing crimes, like skimming or robbery? I’m quite surprised myself. How have we come to this?” Wasista asked. Wasista’s qualms reflect a public order problem that has haunted Bali ever since it saw a huge visitor uptick in the last decade or two, experts say. In a broader context, it presents a big challenge for Indonesia’s shift in economic focus to tourism

How wrong I am - or maybe not

And how Is this related to the OP?
After I enlighted every ur lie, false informations and manipylations, u try to change the game.
No way, from this moment I will read every single word, including commas, u will write in every thread enlighithing every ur lie.

Marcello Manganese wrote:

Shill and Scouesr, totally agree, also a member dont should be allowed to send personal offences in private to another membe as Fred did to me.

You can block him. A long time ago one of the moderators told me to block him so he can't send abusive private messages.

Wow all that huh I don't think I want to go anymore that's way too much for me, I don't want to spend my vacation worrying instead of enjoying.

Marianeto1962 wrote:

Wow all that huh I don't think I want to go anymore that's way too much for me, I don't want to spend my vacation worrying instead of enjoying.

Hi Marianro, I see that u already been in Bali for vacation, nothing changed, before Covid around 8 million of tourists enjoy thei holiday in Bali every year, and the few of them get in trouble Is because thats what they are loocking for.
Della free to contact me, I will be glad to show u the true Bali and the wonder that the Island has to offer..