Covid assessment

TAJ of course is a different topic, but under the regime I got a cataract operation (paying tips of course at the time), but in Luxembourg I paid almost EUR 1000 pm for me and my wife and got nothing, here we pay EUR 60 (combined) and I got a serious health diagnose along with a much needed eye operation. Yes there is much to complain on the health system but also much to be happy about (these times like in most other countries are difficult though).

Not per se linked to Covid, but eg my wife got a letter last October to vist a voluntary breast cancer scan (she had one 2 years ago), due to Corona we decided to skip this one. Still a good service I have to say.

cdw057 wrote:

OK without a TAJ card things are more challenging, and honestly to obtain a TAJ card in these times will also take a number of weeks (apart from the stress attached). Not all of the readers are above 65, but for the "German" neighbours it is more a matter of choice (they are all covered), I would say 65% want the vaccine (even if some registered very late), some of them do not want (which amazes me, but that is just me).

If the German neighbours are in receipt of a German government pension then they will be automatically covered by registering a S1 form with the Health Fund.   They would be issued with a TAJ card automatically.  The S1 form is standard throughout the EU.

cdw057 wrote:

I really have another perception, I believe GP's get paid by the number of patients they register, I do not know where you live, but here (close to Heviz) you are swamped by GP's or others to register and attend. Perhaps it is even a possibility to give a call to a local GP (Mihaly Hegedus in my case but many others available).
One of our (Hungarian) neighbours was also being pushed to take a vaccine (by a village doctor which she tends to visit (NOT Heviz).
Very different experiences, in this area those who do not get do not want, those who want will get (and are contacted (admittedly if registered with TAJ (which we did VERY EARLY in the process)

I live in the burbs of Budapest (well close enough). 

But anyone without a TAJ card should forget calling any GP - the GPs are under the cosh and will refuse.

fluffy2560 wrote:

BTW regarding the other divisions in society, there are some HU people who are not paying for the TAJ card - cannot afford it, are say homeless, mentally ill or whatever - and they cannot get  the jab either.

Has been anounced 1-3 months ago, that they can get it.

atomheart wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

BTW regarding the other divisions in society, there are some HU people who are not paying for the TAJ card - cannot afford it, are say homeless, mentally ill or whatever - and they cannot get  the jab either.

Has been anounced 1-3 months ago, that they can get it.

So how does that work then?  If they do not have a TAJ card?

Indeed it is, EU (and even more Schengen) citizens have a more comfortable set-up then eg US citizens. Sad that it has to work this way. Having said that I am happy for all the (EU) retirees in my village that they are covered. (I have to admit that for the odd UK based (or origin) I do not know if they are covered by TAJ (although I suspect they are)).
Apart from some of this forum I do not know anyone not being covered by TAJ (and being a EU citizen I did not spend too much attention to the topic (I read about it and in a way I am sad that people are not covered)

To me it is not good that either homeless or non-EU citizens have no apparent access to TAJ.  Residents really should be covered independent of their origin. (of course one has to pay, but for the forum-members I think EUR 25 pm should not be an issue (in any case the premium itselves already more then covers for my daily medicines))

I have to re-iterate even if a bad perception, I am happy with the Hungarian health care system. Bureaucracy around TAJ might be another matter, but I have it (being born within the EU)

fluffy2560 wrote:

So how does that work then?  If they do not have a TAJ card?

They have a TAJ number, it's just might be invalid if they haven't been paying, but an invalid TAJ number still qualifies one for the vaccine.

cdw057 wrote:

Residents really should be covered independent of their origin. (of course one has to pay, but for the forum-members I think EUR 25 pm should not be an issue

25EUR per month must have been calculated in accordance with the ~7% healthcare contribution salaried people pay, so I can understand they're very selective as to whom they allow to benefit from the contributions of the majority. (Sure, there might be cases of unfair judgement, I'm just saying that I see a reason to scrutinize foreigners before giving them access to healthcare for 25EUR per month...)

cdw057 wrote:

Indeed it is, EU (and even more Schengen) citizens have a more comfortable set-up then eg US citizens. Sad that it has to work this way. Having said that I am happy for all the (EU) retirees in my village that they are covered. (I have to admit that for the odd UK based (or origin) I do not know if they are covered by TAJ (although I suspect they are)).
Apart from some of this forum I do not know anyone not being covered by TAJ (and being a EU citizen I did not spend too much attention to the topic (I read about it and in a way I am sad that people are not covered)

To me it is not good that either homeless or non-EU citizens have no apparent access to TAJ.  Residents really should be covered independent of their origin. (of course one has to pay, but for the forum-members I think EUR 25 pm should not be an issue (in any case the premium itselves already more then covers for my daily medicines))

I have to re-iterate even if a bad perception, I am happy with the Hungarian health care system. Bureaucracy around TAJ might be another matter, but I have it (being born within the EU)

It's quite complicated and I'll try and cut a long story short.

HU government decision making process on eligibility for the TAJ card is apparently based on nationality and not residence (of anywhere else).   EU citizenship is nothing to do with eligibility per se.    At the most basic level, it depends on reciprocity. HU interpretation is this is that it depends on nationality based social security coverage.   That's not limited to the  EU but depends on bilateral relations as well.

My  current understanding is that an application for a TAJ card requires the government of nationality to tell the HU government they will cover the health care costs of the TAJ card applicant.  This is regardless of whether the person lived and worked in that country of nationality or not. 

I could be say, Maltese with a Maltese passport, lived in Malawi all my life, come to Hungary and apply  for a TAJ card and the Hungarians would want to ask the Maltese to cover the costs associated with the TAJ card.   Of course this makes no real sense whatsoever.

This check is independent of any offer or application to cover voluntary TAJ card contributions. It seems to be about eligibility in the first place - it's the first hurdle.   

If say, the Maltese refuse to pay, that might make the person eligible to pay in HU and obtain coverage.     Note that paying in HU would remove any rights to healthcare in the country of nationality.  How that would work out in reality, who knows.

I should also say that healthcare coverage varies between EU countries. It's nothing to do with other pillars of social security such as pensions, unemployment or disability. Pensions are a bit of an exception as this may be paid separately or voluntarily.

As backup for short trips, there's the EHIC card - this might be (process wise) like a kind of temporary  registration or recognition of a right to healthcare on a one off basis.  These are still valid in the EU for UK citizens until they expire.
 
To me it seems like a bureaucratic muddle but that's the way I understand it currently.

atomheart wrote:

cdw057 wrote:

Residents really should be covered independent of their origin. (of course one has to pay, but for the forum-members I think EUR 25 pm should not be an issue

25EUR per month must have been calculated in accordance with the ~7% healthcare contribution salaried people pay, so I can understand they're very selective as to whom they allow to benefit from the contributions of the majority. (Sure, there might be cases of unfair judgement, I'm just saying that I see a reason to scrutinize foreigners before giving them access to healthcare for 25EUR per month...)

I think that's interesting but in the COVID19 emergency, the virus doesn't care if you have a TAJ card or not.  It's not even about the money - many foreigners will be happy to pay! For years I've always paid for my extensive vaccinations at the OEK (Epidemiology  Centre) in Budapest.  That goes back on my records to the mid 1990s.

What no-one should want is a reservoir of potential COVID19 infected or infectable people wandering around the country.  Really it should be given to anyone who turns up.   Perhaps the plan is to reach herd immunity levels (95% plus population covered) and stuff everyone else.

Sure, prioritising Hungarians is important (politically as well of course), but if there were spare vaccinations (i.e AZ refuseniks) , then rather than dumping them at the end of the day, they could simply call any registered foreigners who want to be jabbed to get around to their nearest GP office asap. 

I note on the vaccination cards that the passport number is also included as one of the fields.  So it's not like they cannot track them.  Taking payment is easy - just issue a prescription and pay at the pharmacy.  Job done.

A lot of activity on this thread which is good, a few sandals for perspective from the Netherlands (in Dutch)

1. Throwing away vaccines (too low turn-out and apparent suspicion  towards Astra)
https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/5247360 … st-te-laag

2. Would you believe it, city hall subsidies up to EUR 2000 pm for rent/mortgage. I think it is outrageous, nobody supports me, but somebody (including me has to pay the bill (even if I live in Hungary))
Coronasteun woonlasten: 2000 euro per maand in Amstelveen tot 150 euro in Nissewaard

cdw057 wrote:

A lot of activity on this thread which is good, a few scandals for perspective from the Netherlands (in Dutch)

1. Throwing away vaccines (too low turn-out and apparent suspicion  towards Astra)
https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/5247360 … st-te-laag

2. Would you believe it, city hall subsidies up to EUR 2000 pm for rent/mortgage. I think it is outrageous, nobody supports me, but somebody (including me has to pay the bill (even if I live in Hungary))
Coronasteun woonlasten: 2000 euro per maand in Amstelveen tot 150 euro in Nissewaard

Obviously living in the wrong places.

UK pays 80% of salaries for employees who are furloughed.   One of my friends self-furloughed effectively and has been getting a nice amount of money for it.   Government is financing it through issuing debt. I wouldn't be surprised if the debt starts to reach WW2 levels (I haven't checked it), it'll also need a new version of the Marshall plan.  I don't know how they are financing it here - partially through EU funds maybe and maybe sovereign debt.

I drove past one of the new stadiums being constructed here.  Looked like 10s if not 100s of workers continuing to construct it.   And I also noticed many new office buildings still under construction here. 

In other countries, they are cutting office space because people can actually work at home most of the time.   Give them a salary increase to cover some increased costs like higher speed Internet, let them work at home 4 days a week, then they can come in for a day once a month for admin or whatever and and hot desk it while there.

BTW, I haven't heard much about the proposed Felcsut International Airport recently.  Maybe it'll be for toy planes like the train to nowhere running down there.

https://dailynewshungary.com/hundreds-h … s-vaccine/

cdw057 wrote:

https://dailynewshungary.com/hundreds-have-died-in-hungary-after-receiving-the-coronavirus-vaccine/

In my view, what the public really needs to look at is Covid infection and death rates after people have reached peak immunity (1-2 weeks after receiving the second shot).   It appears from this article that the government has not provided that data yet.  However, that's the only relevant data for a story like this. 

What is very good about this article is that it reminds us that just getting the first shot is not enough to avoid danger... green card notwithstanding. 

Meanwhile, I am still waiting to be eligible for that first shot of something also approved in the EU and the US.

totally agreed we will wait for 8 or 9 days, and full protection is impossible anyhow

Junior Street wrote:

cdw057 wrote:

https://dailynewshungary.com/hundreds-have-died-in-hungary-after-receiving-the-coronavirus-vaccine/

In my view, what the public really needs to look at is Covid infection and death rates after people have reached peak immunity (1-2 weeks after receiving the second shot).   It appears from this article that the government has not provided that data yet.  However, that's the only relevant data for a story like this. 

What is very good about this article is that it reminds us that just getting the first shot is not enough to avoid danger... green card notwithstanding. 

Meanwhile, I am still waiting to be eligible for that first shot of something also approved in the EU and the US.

As of this morning, Mrs Fluffy was hassling the HU government over foreigners' vaccinations and was strongly rebuffed.   

Contrast this with Serbia initial approach which has vaccinated 40,000 foreigners already (article in HU).   They have however now decided to introduce prior registration. DW has a video report in English but it's quite an old  report now.

fluffy2560 wrote:

As of this morning, Mrs Fluffy was hassling the HU government over foreigners' vaccinations and was strongly rebuffed.   

Contrast this with Serbia initial approach which has vaccinated 40,000 foreigners already (article in HU).   They have however now decided to introduce prior registration. DW has a video report in English but it's quite an old  report now.

I was tempted to go to Serbia to get vaccinated but it turns out Hungary is not offering green cards to people who get vaccinated outside of Hungary.  What a mess.    Also, would love to hear more about what "strongly rebuffed" means... are they being hostile to these queries from foreign citizens about vaccines???

All will be fine I am sure in max 3 months time. Me and my wife were lucky to already have received two jabs, but the green card is outstanding and as I understand from the doctor it can take quite a while (totally overwhelmed). We survived for over a year if all is fine in a few months should be fine?

I did post something on Russia I think (EUR 2000 for a jab trip (two times including hotel and flight), admittedly expensive but possible). Question remains will it be accepted in Hungary (or that matter EU).

For those without TAJ I can understand the frustration, not so easy. However I know more then enough people with TAJ and did not register. Of course I am not sure about Sputnik, but gambles with a good chance to win are good. (Life showed me)
Be it with cards or moving to other countries.

Getting older is the real challenge for those who can afford life a bit (including me)

cdw057 wrote:

I did post something on Russia I think (EUR 2000 for a jab trip (two times including hotel and flight), admittedly expensive but possible). Question remains will it be accepted in Hungary (or that matter EU).

Friends of ours are encouraging us to go to Serbia, but in addition to not getting the Hungarian immunization card, wouldn't you have to quarantine both times after re-entering Hungary?  Again, what a mess.

Of course alignment is a big thing, for me both vaccine (a good one) and green card are important. They are not always on the same level. You might want to call it a mess, however for me having TAJ it is fine, being invited to the Chinese vaccine is good in a way, I do however have doubts on effectiveness,

Question what is more important, vaccine (no matter what) or green card (admittedly often no choice.
Still I strongly believe if you are resident in Hungary you SHOULD get jabs. (independent of TAJ)

cdw057 wrote:

Still I strongly believe if you are resident in Hungary you SHOULD get jabs. (independent of TAJ)

I will be among the first in line when they open up Moderna, Pfizer, or Johnson&Johnson to foreigners without TAJ.

cdw057 wrote:

....
Still I strongly believe if you are resident in Hungary you SHOULD get jabs. (independent of TAJ)

"independent of TAJ".

No-one in HU can get the jab if they do not have a TAJ card.

That's regardless of resident status or even if you have an EHIC card.

Unfortunately there are no known alternative methods to get the vaccine. 

It's not even about money, the government controls all supplies and refuses to make it available privately even if it is paid for.   There are no major shortages of vaccines.

My own feeling is this is vaccine nationalism.  O1G believes that wasting vaccines is preferable to making spare vaccinations available to foreigners who would continue to be a potential reservoir of COVID19 within the country.   As usual, he continues to blow his anti-foreigner trumpet at his base and if there were any perceived cracks in it, he obviously thinks this would be used against him in next years election. Power at any cost.   Foreigners aren't voters so don't count and god forbid he would be perceived as a humanitarian.

In many or even most things I agree with the comments of Fluffy, on the Covid topic however, perhaps we are not considered humans and indeed we can not vote. However (having a TAJ card) we were very early on in the process of being given a vaccine (even earlier than some Hungarians I know) our age did not even give reason for preferential treatment (but health did). And indeed we did get our jabs (independent if we are considered to be humans) and got very polite and effective treatment (and I did not spend a forint at all).
Of course the TAJ card remains a major issue for many, but being a foreigner or not to me does not sound as a major driver to give or not the jabs.(not from my experience anyhow).

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I might be ready to go home.  I have always loved Hungary, and made a huge sacrifice to be here for the last little while, but this situation is so pathetic, I think I'm done.  I can take pride that my home government has not treated Hungarians this way.

cdw057 wrote:

To me it is not good that either homeless or non-EU citizens have no apparent access to TAJ.  Residents really should be covered independent of their origin. (of course one has to pay, but for the forum-members I think EUR 25 pm should not be an issue (in any case the premium itselves already more then covers for my daily medicines))

I have to re-iterate even if a bad perception, I am happy with the Hungarian health care system. Bureaucracy around TAJ might be another matter, but I have it (being born within the EU)

Sorry, late to see this one and to comment on it.  As a non-EU citizen who has been in Hungary for more than a year I am eligible for TAJ, as someone pointed out here a while ago.   However, when we inquired about this, it turns out that I would need to pre-pay 13 months up front, calculated at about 1 million HUF.  And then yes, I could sign up for a vaccine.  1 million forints!  I like the sound of EUR 25 per month, but that's not at all what I was quoted.

Totally agreed with the homeless etc, perhaps I am naive, but some attention is given.

I think the Hungarian green card and its recognition will be solved shortly, anyhow on the green card no indication of the Vaccine, having said that in my mind I already refused Chinese and Astra, luckily it became Sputnik, The problem of the recognition will be solved I have no doubt.

In our case our GP called us (he also has to reach quota I think), for those not registered for vaccine they can/have call/called.

Personally I do not speak a word of Hungarian, I just use OCR and subsequently google translate. Works fine for me.

cdw057 wrote:

In many or even most things I agree with the comments of Fluffy, on the Covid topic however, perhaps we are not considered humans and indeed we can not vote. However (having a TAJ card) we were very early on in the process of being given a vaccine (even earlier than some Hungarians I know) our age did not even give reason for preferential treatment (but health did). And indeed we did get our jabs (independent if we are considered to be humans) and got very polite and effective treatment (and I did not spend a forint at all).
Of course the TAJ card remains a major issue for many, but being a foreigner or not to me does not sound as a major driver to give or not the jabs.(not from my experience anyhow).

The only reason I believe you received the vaccine is because you started a company in Hungary and were paying tax as employees and therefore were enrolled under the health system here.  This entitled you to a TAJ card.  Other criteria such as age or conditions may have accelerated you through the system.   For Hungarians, they get a TAJ card when they are born and they are enrolled in the system forever so long as they at least pay the basic amount of 8000 HUF per month. For the rest of us, no TAJ card - no vaccine.   

There is no public health logic in the HU government regarding foreigners and vaccination.  But it's not unusual.  Thailand is doing the same kind of thing.

Junior Street wrote:

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Sorry, late to see this one and to comment on it.  As a non-EU citizen who has been in Hungary for more than a year I am eligible for TAJ, as someone pointed out here a while ago.   However, when we inquired about this, it turns out that I would need to pre-pay 13 months up front, calculated at about 1 million HUF.  And then yes, I could sign up for a vaccine.  1 million forints!  I like the sound of EUR 25 per month, but that's not at all what I was quoted.

Yup, pre-pay is another possibility but NEAK's thinking is so muddled they didn't even mention that to me as an option.   

I'm embroiled in another argument with them of TAJ eligibility which is nationality and residence based.  The pandemic will be over by the time I solve that discussion.

Hi, I've never before contributed to this forum (beyond introducing myself about two years ago) but I find this topic fascinating . I frankly do not understand how a legal resident in Hungary could be refused access to a vaccine regardless of whether they have a TAJ card.  I am dismayed to read that some posters are facing the prospect of having to return to their country or a third country in order receive what could potentially be a life saving vaccine. Having said the above, my particular issue pales into insignificance Specifically My wife and I  have both been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine (I have received both doses and my wife the first one) She is a dual citizen and received her card a few days later, I have yet to receive it. It appears to be a common issue amongst the foreign residents I've spoken to. (ie. Dual citizen gets the card quickly whilst the foreign partner is still waiting)
My wife has just found the article below (in Hungarian) where it is suggested that you contact your local Kormany Ablak in order to expidiate the process. See article below.

https://telex.hu/koronavirus/2021/04/27 … aprilis-27
We both want the card in order to return home but apart from not having received my card there is the added problem regardless of the card of not been able to prove that we received a western vaccine as apparently this will not be revealed on the card or anywhere for that matter(the western ones are the only ones our country accepts as a condition of entry without quarantine). I know most of you are aware of these facts but nonetheless I wanted to express my viewpoint within a group that appears to 'get' the frustration that some of us are experiencing.

Junior Street wrote:

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I might be ready to go home.  I have always loved Hungary, and made a huge sacrifice to be here for the last little while, but this situation is so pathetic, I think I'm done.  I can take pride that my home government has not treated Hungarians this way.

I feel the same really. 

I think it's got mixed up with O1G's corruption, nationalism and the drum beat of other fascist and populist politics.   Previously I was untouched by any of that kind of BS - I was far away from it.  But now I realise how vulnerable a pandemic and nationalist nonsense has made people.  And I've been committed in Hungary for many years.   It has started to make me re-evaluate what makes us stay.   We keep thinking we can weather the storm but it's getting worse here day by day.  We hope for a democratic government and we keep getting right wing nutters. 

Anyway, my home government doesn't mind vaccinating foreigners either!  My plan B or C is to get back to the UK where there might still be a light left on for liberalism.

I also thinking to leave, not because Hungary has treated me badly, just that I can not really afford Hungary anymore (bad habits, also the constant increase of salaries starts to be visible in prices). Neighbours (Hungarian and expats alike) always have treated us nicely, I do not notice very much of a shift to this or that direction. Yes there have been quite some measures against anti-Fidesz, but overall I do not notice anything in my day-to-day life. The area where I live is very much dependent on tourists and expats and they try to facilitate.
I am not considering to return to my home country (Netherlands) crime is more the norm then the exception, of course many negative things on Hungary to be considered but also some positive things (low level of crime and harassments is one of them (but then I might have been lucky).

If looking at other countries it is more Turkey or Georgia.

As for health-care I am perfectly happy (even if I am a foreigner who does not speak Hungarian), Cataract was perfect and so was Covid, apart from the fact that my GP was the first to actually look at my blood-test (sky-high bad Cholesterol). I did live in many countries (like many other members (Netherlands, UK, Luxembourg)) and visited many others.

In the past I was politically engaged and got upset on many topics (I am now too old to do that and just want to live a few good years before I die).

One other practical item preventing me to go back is finances, how will I live?
But I feel I am going off topic here.

RedBack1 wrote:

We both want the card in order to return home but apart from not having received my card there is the added problem regardless of the card of not been able to prove that we received a western vaccine as apparently this will not be revealed on the card or anywhere for that matter(the western ones are the only ones our country accepts as a condition of entry without quarantine).

But you did receive a paper certificate with the full details after both shots, didn't you? At the moment there is no internationally-recognized vaccination certificate, the EU green certificate is still in planning phase.

I am aware that the EU, IATA and other organisations have not yet finalised their travel passes. But what is the point of a country issuing a card that does not state what vaccine you've received. Australia will issue a certificate with the name of the vaccine on it. Israel already includes it in its green pass, the EU and IATA have also stated they will include it. No other country in the EU has objected to this. So what is the reason for refusing to make a general disclosure of that fact? It's a rhetorical question. We will be able to return home to Sydney regardless of the card, but why create another hurdle.

It's a card for internal use, and my personal opinion is that primarily it's meant to boost vaccination-acceptance. Also, there is proof of getting a pretty good immunity after the first dose...

And you also have a vaccination certificate that contains all the details. If AU government doesn't accept that, why would they accept another proprietary certificate of a small country like HU?

RedBack1 wrote:

I am aware that the EU, IATA and other organisations have not yet finalised their travel passes. But what is the point of a country issuing a card that does not state what vaccine you've received. Australia will issue a certificate with the name of the vaccine on it. Israel already includes it in its green pass, the EU and IATA have also stated they will include it. No other country in the EU has objected to this. So what is the reason for refusing to make a general disclosure of that fact? It's a rhetorical question. We will be able to return home to Sydney regardless of the card, but why create another hurdle.

I've scanned Mrs Fluffy's card's QR code and  the lookup doesn't mention the vaccine that was given but it does mention her ID number.  The original paper receipt given by the vaccinating doctor/nurse  does contain the vaccine type and batch number.  It's a sticker which is stuck in a box on the paper certificate.   This is normal for the WHO model vaccination booklets.  You also get a rubber stamps.   Details of the vaccination might be captured in the QR card but does not appear in the online enquiry mechanism.

As far as I am aware, neither Sputnik or Sinopharm are approved at the EU level and certainly not universally compared to the Western versions.   It remains to be seen if a Russian or Chinese vaccination record means anything when trying to visit another country. If it's unapproved there, then probably it's not very useful, i.e.  may require another vaccination with a  locally approved one.  No-one really knows how that might work. I've not found anything so far.

My thought is that this card issued by the HU government is really part of vaccination theatre, i.e. issuing a card gives an impression things are being organised efficiently.  It's fairly common for governments to want to give out cards for this and that but it's an expensive business maintaining that infrastructure - just imagine doing corrections, differing addresses, lost cards, invalidating/validating, fake cards (harder to do but not impossible).  Of course, none of it is really necessary as it's easy just to scan everyone's ID cards and look up on that basis.   

What is if not clear if one would need the card to say, enter a bar or a restaurant or a cinema.  I've read that there are debates going on in HU and elsewhere about people's freedoms being restricted  because of vaccine inequality - e.g. say being refused entry to a venue without a scannable certificate or if just sight of it was sufficient. 

Probably this kind of distinction (have and have-nots) will end up being unenforceable since some people simply cannot have the vaccine due to other conditions. Obviously being a preference or anti-vaxxer or religious based refusenik is not going to be a good enough reason.  Perhaps they would get a different type of card or maybe data returned from a scan will say exempt.

Obviously an IATA based certificate would be the most preferable as it will work the world over.

Some attention for the TAJ topic
https://dailynewshungary.com/americans- … l-trouble/

cdw057 wrote:

Some attention for the TAJ topic
https://dailynewshungary.com/americans- … l-trouble/

Interesting that the government's perspective is that the existing laws have to be changed before the situation can be fixed.  That really starts to feel hopeless.  The original article in Hungarian also noted that Americans have died recently in Hungary from Covid.  They did not have access to vaccines.

Junior Street wrote:

cdw057 wrote:

Some attention for the TAJ topic
https://dailynewshungary.com/americans- … l-trouble/

Interesting that the government's perspective is that the existing laws have to be changed before the situation can be fixed.  That really starts to feel hopeless.  The original article in Hungarian also noted that Americans have died recently in Hungary from Covid.  They did not have access to vaccines.

That about covers it.   I tried to leave a comment on that article but it's blocked for me. 

To sum it up, it's not just Americans, it's everyone who is not in possession of a TAJ card. 

That includes anyone stuck here because of the pandemic - it includes EU citizens, those in possession of an EHIC or even those affected by Brexit. 

It makes no sense to have a reservoir of people who are potentially infected or susceptible or could become carriers roaming the country.

Just read the article about the American who passed.
He must of had some underlying health issues as well as getting C-19 perhaps from being exposed to younger people at the uni?
Who knows.
Sad.
He may of passed from some other issues and the virus was just the tipping point?
I'm going to see my eye doc this week, bet she is going to push me to get a vax pre surgery?I know she mentioned another PCR test.
Not sure you would need the PCR test if yu had a vax or not?
I'm starting to lean in the dircetion of getting a jab only because I can see the writting on the wall. Sooner or later we all will need one or be shunned.
I'm gathering info from my "test subjects" my family who has gotten their shots, trying to figure out which one is best and still not sure if we can chose here which one to take or not?
My son says in Japan they are not pushing s hard for people to get a vax.
He told me he may never see me again because he isn't willing to put posion into his body.
Oh well...Thank God for photos.
If I hear any negative info from my many family members in the US, most well over age 65, I'll post. So far it's been a month or longer since most had their shots. So far they are fine and traveling around the states.
Most had Moderna.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

If I hear any negative info from my many family members in the US, most well over age 65, I'll post. So far it's been a month or longer since most had their shots. So far they are fine and traveling around the states.
Most had Moderna.

Both of my elderly parents had Moderna, and they were fine.  One of my sisters got the Johnson&Johnson jab, and she was totally fine as well.  We have heard that some people had mild reactions to Pfizer, but were okay after a few days.  I would take any of these three.

I don't think anyone chooses to be vaccinated out of any love for vaccines.  The only reason to do it is because we feel it is our duty to the general public, and perhaps to ourselves and our own communities.  Nevertheless, I need to draw that conclusion myself; it is difficult to trust governments enough to do it just because they say so.