Has your Vietnam attitude changed? Wish you had left?

Ive enrolled my wife in a course related to logic and common sense. She told me she doesnt need that,lol.

Wow great response to my post. Some good insights.
I guess I asked the questions because I am not so pleased living here, compared to all of you. Grumpy, feeling burned out at how interminable this lockdown has been this year, and the no-entry Vietnamese borders since last year that have kept me trapped in the country, as this is my home now. No more base in the US. I am tired of looking outdoors at the same dreary shabby neighborhood. I've realized that a life without doing things or going places, makes for a poor life. I guess that affects some more than others.

I think the severe zero covid policy has been a mistake, I wouldn't have wanted to be in China or New Zealand or certain states in Australia any better. So there's the free movement aspect. And I wish the government had ordered vaccine at the outset, but otherwise I give them credit for organization and execution. They mean well but lack resources. The country lacks resources.

It was bad luck being in inner city Saigon. I keep thinking, when does the delta virus run amuck in the north cities, how is Saigon different? Looks like it won't, lucky them.
I would rather have been living at the beach, or Phu My Hung or Thao Dien. Even better, Thailand or Bali. It's about standard of living, I need a higher one.

gobot wrote:

Wow great response to my post. Some good insights.
I guess I asked the questions because I am not so pleased living here, compared to all of you. Grumpy, feeling burned out at how interminable this lockdown has been this year, and the no-entry Vietnamese borders since last year that have kept me trapped in the country, as this is my home now. No more base in the US. I am tired of looking outdoors at the same dreary shabby neighborhood. I've realized that a life without doing things or going places, makes for a poor life. I guess that affects some more than others.

I think the severe zero covid policy has been a mistake, I wouldn't have wanted to be in China or New Zealand or certain states in Australia any better. So there's the free movement aspect. And I wish the government had ordered vaccine at the outset, but otherwise I give them credit for organization and execution. They mean well but lack resources. The country lacks resources.

It was bad luck being in inner city Saigon. I keep thinking, when does the delta virus run amuck in the north cities, how is Saigon different? Looks like it won't, lucky them.
I would rather have been living at the beach, or Phu My Hung or Thao Dien. Even better, Thailand or Bali. It's about standard of living, I need a higher one.

Maybe if the govt offloaded some of there 4000 odd companies they own they would have had funds sitting in there coffers. The govt is too involved in business instead of streamling systems and focusing on running the country. Notice how many officials get caught here for bribes, dodgy deals and having their hand in the lollie jar. Some people may say Im being unfair, but facts are facts. The system in place here is too heavily geared towards business ownership.

gobot wrote:

My wife is 10 years older, a lifelong learner, head of her medical school class, who never watches TV or reads novels, but takes classes in parallel on Coursera for fun. Yet you could drive a truck through the tunnels in her basic education. Same same: no history, geography, other countries and cultures, psychology (she loves that now), basically the humanities, art.

So yeah, weird public education curriculum compared to the west, at least back then. Hope it's broader now. Without the basics, just imagine integrating what social media throws at you.

In 10th grade, due to my major (literature) and first foreign language (French), we learned about French history during the 17th and 18th centuries.  The students whose first foreign language was English learned about the American Revolution. 

For Vietnamese geography, we learned in 7th and 8th grade to draw the map of Vietnam to a scale, with all major cities, rivers, mountains, and historical sites.  I did so many of them I could draw them in my mind.

For world geography, we were taught the general shapes and locations of all countries, continents, and oceans that divided them.  Every classroom had a wall world map and a standing globe, and we all knew where all the important countries were located.

Due to my major, I only had one hour each of algebra, chemistry, biology, and physics per week (geology was taught in 9th grade). Science major students had 3-5 hours per subject per week.  OTOH, I had 7 hours of French/wk for 7 years, 5 hours of English/wk for 3 years, and 2 hours of philosophy/wk in senior year.  After the first 4 years of French, we stopped learning the language and concentrated on the literature (7 hours of French literature for the last 3 years of high school).  English was my second foreign language so we only studied Dickens and Mark Twain in senior year.

Between 6th and 9th grade, we were taught the general knowledge of all the subjects everyone should know -- our country's geography, language, and history, other countries' geography and history, all human science, life science, etc.  Before entering 10th grade, however, we were expected to think like young adults, to know what path we wanted to pursue in our future.  That's the reason we had to select a major, and our education from that day on was designed to strengthen the path we would walk through towards a degree in the field related to our major.

A science major student would graduate from high school with so much knowledge of chemistry, biology, and physics that he would not be shaking in his boots on the first day in a lab under the watching eyes of his professor.  I don't know about the Math student because I didn't have any Math friends, but for us Literature major, we could talk about Victor Hugo, Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, the French Revolution, Jean Paul Sartre, etc. for hours if the subjects ever came up.

It was rather unbalanced, now that I look back at it, but that education system was designed to (almost) guarantee that we would success in the path we choose, so in my mind, that's a very good system, and better yet, it's free for all.

Andybris2020 wrote:

THIGV wrote:

Ciambella wrote:

If you read all the posts I wrote from the first day I joined this site, you would've seen that I'm very saddened with how the country has become, with the decline in education, the absence of quality of life, the increase in corruption, and the erasing of history.

I wonder if you would concede that the old system provided an excellent education for a small urban elite, the overall level of education in the country is vastly improved.   I don't have statistics on hand but I am pretty certain that overall literacy has improved since the 70"s.  The same holds for quality of life, particularly for the rural peasantry many of whom now till their own rice plots even if the government owns the land and no longer pay rents to someone in Saigon or to the Catholic Church which used to own 1500 km2 of rice land.   Of course most everyone would agree with you on corruption and the erasing of history.

This is an interesting point for me to pursue as my GF is 36 and although she seems very forgetful and has somewhat of a goldfish type brain she seems to have no history, geography or world view I would be interested to know what types of subjects were in school in the 80's/90's to see if she did learn it and didn't listen or indeed she does have a bit of a goldfish brain.

I find it a bit hard to fathom that school kids in Saigon in that period didn't learn simple stuff like planets, elements, iron age, bronze age, dinosaurs tc, she seems to have zero knowledge of any of it.

I even had to explain why we have time zones? which was a total head spin to me.

My girlfriend is also in her thirties and if we look from a western perspective there seems to be enormous gaps in her basic education. She is very clever, has taught herself English and is quite successful, she was just never taught subjects that we in the west consider important.

Of course this begs the question, "is a lot of what our children are taught in school irrelevant today? "

It's interesting that you mention time zones, because this came up in a conversation we were having recently over the Internet. We were talking about international communication, time zones etc. but she was quite happy that the "smart phone" sorted it all out, no further explanation was necessary. Perhaps she was right, I often think we in the west place huge significance on teaching children subjects that will be of no use whatsoever in their adult lives.

https://english.thesaigontimes.vn/hcmc- … tember-30/

dionstravels wrote:

https://english.thesaigontimes.vn/hcmc-plans-to-remove-road-barriers-before-september-30/

Only after they are completely disinfected...

Malcolmleitrim wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

THIGV wrote:

I wonder if you would concede that the old system provided an excellent education for a small urban elite, the overall level of education in the country is vastly improved.   I don't have statistics on hand but I am pretty certain that overall literacy has improved since the 70"s.  The same holds for quality of life, particularly for the rural peasantry many of whom now till their own rice plots even if the government owns the land and no longer pay rents to someone in Saigon or to the Catholic Church which used to own 1500 km2 of rice land.   Of course most everyone would agree with you on corruption and the erasing of history.

This is an interesting point for me to pursue as my GF is 36 and although she seems very forgetful and has somewhat of a goldfish type brain she seems to have no history, geography or world view I would be interested to know what types of subjects were in school in the 80's/90's to see if she did learn it and didn't listen or indeed she does have a bit of a goldfish brain.

I find it a bit hard to fathom that school kids in Saigon in that period didn't learn simple stuff like planets, elements, iron age, bronze age, dinosaurs tc, she seems to have zero knowledge of any of it.

I even had to explain why we have time zones? which was a total head spin to me.

My girlfriend is also in her thirties and if we look from a western perspective there seems to be enormous gaps in her basic education. She is very clever, has taught herself English and is quite successful, she was just never taught subjects that we in the west consider important.

Of course this begs the question, "is a lot of what our children are taught in school irrelevant today? "

It's interesting that you mention time zones, because this came up in a conversation we were having recently over the Internet. We were talking about international communication, time zones etc. but she was quite happy that the "smart phone" sorted it all out, no further explanation was necessary. Perhaps she was right, I often think we in the west place huge significance on teaching children subjects that will be of no use whatsoever in their adult lives.

So in your educated case & as far as you are concerned, history, geography, general knowlege, have no part to play in a persons make up, ability to comunicate & converse/discus with other people on an intelectual level? Well I for one am glad I got taught history & geography at school & they still play a major part in my life of learning even now. Ignorance is not bliss as far as I & many others is concerned & I for one am glad I have a GF who when we first came together was very short worldly knowlege to the extent of being at less than our Western Primary School to the point of me thinking is she winding me up, but now sits totally absorbed when I have the World News, Discovery Channel, Animal Plannet, Nat Geo & even now takes a keen interest when I am glued to CNBC or Bloomberg.

goodolboy wrote:

Malcolmleitrim wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

This is an interesting point for me to pursue as my GF is 36 and although she seems very forgetful and has somewhat of a goldfish type brain she seems to have no history, geography or world view I would be interested to know what types of subjects were in school in the 80's/90's to see if she did learn it and didn't listen or indeed she does have a bit of a goldfish brain.

I find it a bit hard to fathom that school kids in Saigon in that period didn't learn simple stuff like planets, elements, iron age, bronze age, dinosaurs tc, she seems to have zero knowledge of any of it.

I even had to explain why we have time zones? which was a total head spin to me.

My girlfriend is also in her thirties and if we look from a western perspective there seems to be enormous gaps in her basic education. She is very clever, has taught herself English and is quite successful, she was just never taught subjects that we in the west consider important.

Of course this begs the question, "is a lot of what our children are taught in school irrelevant today? "

It's interesting that you mention time zones, because this came up in a conversation we were having recently over the Internet. We were talking about international communication, time zones etc. but she was quite happy that the "smart phone" sorted it all out, no further explanation was necessary. Perhaps she was right, I often think we in the west place huge significance on teaching children subjects that will be of no use whatsoever in their adult lives.

So in your educated case & as far as you are concerned, history, geography, general knowlege, have no part to play in a persons make up, ability to comunicate & converse/discus with other people on an intelectual level? Well I for one am glad I got taught history & geography at school & they still play a major part in my life of learning even now. Ignorance is not bliss as far as I & many others is concerned & I for one am glad I have a GF who when we first came together was very short worldly knowlege to the extent of being at less than our Western Primary School to the point of me thinking is she winding me up, but now sits totally absorbed when I have the World News, Discovery Channel, Animal Plannet, Nat Geo & even now takes a keen interest when I am glued to CNBC or Bloomberg.

She likely finds your spelling interesting as well... 😉

It seems to me you both make good points.

What we in America call a college preparatory course of study in high school is taught with the assumption that all students should be prepared to go on to college, if possible, with "college" meaning a course in liberal arts studies.

But a similar course of studies such as what Ciambella has outlined is actually being suggested by many in the United States as a good alternative to college preparatory courses, especially when a student is firmly committed to following a career path rooted in one of the vocational trades.

I was a bit of a slacker in high school, and yet I was able to be licensed as a Registered Nurse in California after my years of education and work in the Army Health Services, even though I didn't have a formal liberal arts education necessary for gaining a bachelor's degree.

Over the years (especially since my father's death in the early 90's) I've discovered myriad ways to advance my education in areas I used to ignore, except for mathematics (though I'm definitely a master of arithmetic).

So in many ways I've reached the higher ground my father probably hoped I'd attain, but I only did that because I eventually decided it was important to me.

Also, the Advent of Internet age has made it much simpler to study independently.

And while I was a good student of American History in high school, I'm glad I didn't get too deeply involved in studies of Western Civilization at a young age.

A couple of decades ago I began to realize that Western historians have a very biased view of world history.

Because I didn't become indoctrinated with their worldviews, I've been more open to another outline of world history told from an Eastern point of view.

colinoscapee wrote:

gobot wrote:

Wow great response to my post. Some good insights.
I guess I asked the questions because I am not so pleased living here, compared to all of you. Grumpy, feeling burned out at how interminable this lockdown has been this year, and the no-entry Vietnamese borders since last year that have kept me trapped in the country, as this is my home now. No more base in the US. I am tired of looking outdoors at the same dreary shabby neighborhood. I've realized that a life without doing things or going places, makes for a poor life. I guess that affects some more than others.

I think the severe zero covid policy has been a mistake, I wouldn't have wanted to be in China or New Zealand or certain states in Australia any better. So there's the free movement aspect. And I wish the government had ordered vaccine at the outset, but otherwise I give them credit for organization and execution. They mean well but lack resources. The country lacks resources.

It was bad luck being in inner city Saigon. I keep thinking, when does the delta virus run amuck in the north cities, how is Saigon different? Looks like it won't, lucky them.
I would rather have been living at the beach, or Phu My Hung or Thao Dien. Even better, Thailand or Bali. It's about standard of living, I need a higher one.

Maybe if the govt offloaded some of there 4000 odd companies they own they would have had funds sitting in there coffers. The govt is too involved in business instead of streamling systems and focusing on running the country. Notice how many officials get caught here for bribes, dodgy deals and having their hand in the lollie jar. Some people may say Im being unfair, but facts are facts. The system in place here is too heavily geared towards business ownership.

I think the main tenant of socialism/communism is, in fact, everything is owned by the state so I kinda doubt they will sell any of them any time soon?

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

dionstravels wrote:

https://english.thesaigontimes.vn/hcmc-plans-to-remove-road-barriers-before-september-30/

Only after they are completely disinfected...

Funny guy

Andybris2020 wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

gobot wrote:

Wow great response to my post. Some good insights.
I guess I asked the questions because I am not so pleased living here, compared to all of you. Grumpy, feeling burned out at how interminable this lockdown has been this year, and the no-entry Vietnamese borders since last year that have kept me trapped in the country, as this is my home now. No more base in the US. I am tired of looking outdoors at the same dreary shabby neighborhood. I've realized that a life without doing things or going places, makes for a poor life. I guess that affects some more than others.

I think the severe zero covid policy has been a mistake, I wouldn't have wanted to be in China or New Zealand or certain states in Australia any better. So there's the free movement aspect. And I wish the government had ordered vaccine at the outset, but otherwise I give them credit for organization and execution. They mean well but lack resources. The country lacks resources.

It was bad luck being in inner city Saigon. I keep thinking, when does the delta virus run amuck in the north cities, how is Saigon different? Looks like it won't, lucky them.
I would rather have been living at the beach, or Phu My Hung or Thao Dien. Even better, Thailand or Bali. It's about standard of living, I need a higher one.

Maybe if the govt offloaded some of there 4000 odd companies they own they would have had funds sitting in there coffers. The govt is too involved in business instead of streamling systems and focusing on running the country. Notice how many officials get caught here for bribes, dodgy deals and having their hand in the lollie jar. Some people may say Im being unfair, but facts are facts. The system in place here is too heavily geared towards business ownership.

I think the main tenant of socialism/communism is, in fact, everything is owned by the state so I kinda doubt they will sell any of them any time soon?

True, but when the state asks people to donate to the cost of purchasing vaccines and equipment it makes a mockery of the system they promote.

They have actually sold some, but not enough. VN economists have advised the govt to offload many of its businesses. Many of these businesses have massive corruption and make small profits.

dionstravels wrote:

https://english.thesaigontimes.vn/hcmc-plans-to-remove-road-barriers-before-september-30/

About time grandma nearly put her hip out climbing the last one

colinoscapee wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Maybe if the govt offloaded some of there 4000 odd companies they own they would have had funds sitting in there coffers. The govt is too involved in business instead of streamling systems and focusing on running the country. Notice how many officials get caught here for bribes, dodgy deals and having their hand in the lollie jar. Some people may say Im being unfair, but facts are facts. The system in place here is too heavily geared towards business ownership.

I think the main tenant of socialism/communism is, in fact, everything is owned by the state so I kinda doubt they will sell any of them any time soon?

True, but when the state asks people to donate to the cost of purchasing vaccines and equipment it makes a mockery of the system they promote.

They have actually sold some, but not enough. VN economists have advised the govt to offload many of its businesses. Many of these businesses have massive corruption and make small profits.

Maybe their idea behind getting money for vacs is the same as other countries in emergencies where they ask the population to chip in , like flood relief funds etc?
I thought that went against the central system of everything state-owned and belonged to everyone?
I won't comment publicly on the last part.

Andybris2020 wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

I think the main tenant of socialism/communism is, in fact, everything is owned by the state so I kinda doubt they will sell any of them any time soon?

True, but when the state asks people to donate to the cost of purchasing vaccines and equipment it makes a mockery of the system they promote.

They have actually sold some, but not enough. VN economists have advised the govt to offload many of its businesses. Many of these businesses have massive corruption and make small profits.

Maybe their idea behind getting money for vacs is the same as other countries in emergencies where they ask the population to chip in , like flood relief funds etc?
I thought that went against the central system of everything state-owned and belonged to everyone?
I won't comment publicly on the last part.

No need to comment on the last part, its all over the media, week-in, week-out. Do a search on Vinashin, you will be shocked at the losses to the state.

Im not VN bashing here, just stating facts. I actually criticise my home country more than VN. Im a realist and dont walk around wearing rose coloured glasses. I have praised the VN govt in the past for numerous things.

Andybris2020 wrote:

dionstravels wrote:

https://english.thesaigontimes.vn/hcmc-plans-to-remove-road-barriers-before-september-30/

About time grandma nearly put her hip out climbing the last one

To answer the OP's original question - Yes I was happy to be in VN up until we left March 25th.  Everyone at that time in the US was acting nutty.  Now I am glad we left in March because everyone in VN is acting nutty.

Goodolboy got a text message last night only for oldies & vulnerable so 7.30am  off for a stroll down the  local school for Astra jab number 2.

goodolboy wrote:

Goodolboy got a text message last night only for oldies & vulnerable so 7.30am  off for a stroll down the  local school for Astra jab number 2.

oldies & vulnerable you been lying about your age they can all see your a young handsome spritely 50-year-old hahahah

I'm off to give my battered toaster a run before I send it back,,,,, if I can find my vegemite.

goodolboy wrote:

Goodolboy got a text message last night only for oldies & vulnerable so 7.30am  off for a stroll down the  local school for Astra jab number 2.

Done & dusted took about 2 hours start to finish, showed text message at entry, filled in form (with help), got registered on the computer system, got BP test (all ok), saw doctor, got jab, waited 15 minutes, got certificate & a very very helpful young man even downloaded the vaccine app on my smart phone. Thank you Vietnam people for taking care of this goodolboy so very very good.

goodolboy wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Goodolboy got a text message last night only for oldies & vulnerable so 7.30am  off for a stroll down the  local school for Astra jab number 2.

Done & dusted took about 2 hours start to finish, showed text message at entry, filled in form (with help), got registered on the computer system, got BP test (all ok), saw doctor, got jab, waited 15 minutes, got certificate & a very very helpful young man even downloaded the vaccine app on my smart phone. Thank you Vietnam people for taking care of this goodolboy so very very good.





https://i.postimg.cc/cgkcKZ3w/vaccine-app.png

It seems Saigon is getting the bulk of the vaccines. The system here is very flawed.

goodolboy wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Goodolboy got a text message last night only for oldies & vulnerable so 7.30am  off for a stroll down the  local school for Astra jab number 2.

Done & dusted took about 2 hours start to finish, showed text message at entry, filled in form (with help), got registered on the computer system, got BP test (all ok), saw doctor, got jab, waited 15 minutes, got certificate & a very very helpful young man even downloaded the vaccine app on my smart phone. Thank you Vietnam people for taking care of this goodolboy so very very good.





https://i.postimg.cc/cgkcKZ3w/vaccine-app.png

Astra ?

Andybris2020 wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Goodolboy got a text message last night only for oldies & vulnerable so 7.30am  off for a stroll down the  local school for Astra jab number 2.

Done & dusted took about 2 hours start to finish, showed text message at entry, filled in form (with help), got registered on the computer system, got BP test (all ok), saw doctor, got jab, waited 15 minutes, got certificate & a very very helpful young man even downloaded the vaccine app on my smart phone. Thank you Vietnam people for taking care of this goodolboy so very very good.





https://i.postimg.cc/cgkcKZ3w/vaccine-app.png

Astra ?

Yes 2 x Astra, very happy about that. Must have been having a senior moment or excited this morning. Dont know why I posted in this thread, it was supposed to be on the DAILY LIFE DURING COVID ONE.

goodolboy wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Done & dusted took about 2 hours start to finish, showed text message at entry, filled in form (with help), got registered on the computer system, got BP test (all ok), saw doctor, got jab, waited 15 minutes, got certificate & a very very helpful young man even downloaded the vaccine app on my smart phone. Thank you Vietnam people for taking care of this goodolboy so very very good.





https://i.postimg.cc/cgkcKZ3w/vaccine-app.png

Astra ?

Yes 2 x Astra, very happy about that. Must have been having a senior moment or excited this morning. Dont know why I posted in this thread, it was supposed to be on the DAILY LIFE DURING COVID ONE.

Got my second shot this morning.. just waiting for app to update

Jlgarbutt wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Astra ?

Yes 2 x Astra, very happy about that. Must have been having a senior moment or excited this morning. Dont know why I posted in this thread, it was supposed to be on the DAILY LIFE DURING COVID ONE.

Got my second shot this morning.. just waiting for app to update

Looks like someone else cant read the thread title,,, so its not you having a senior moment GOB haha
Jig's excuse is he is lightheaded from the fresh air outside, or still fuming at all the shops open in his "RED" zone.
No wonder he has the 2nd highest count in HCMC districts.

Andybris2020 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Yes 2 x Astra, very happy about that. Must have been having a senior moment or excited this morning. Dont know why I posted in this thread, it was supposed to be on the DAILY LIFE DURING COVID ONE.

Got my second shot this morning.. just waiting for app to update

Looks like someone else cant read the thread title,,, so its not you having a senior moment GOB haha
Jig's excuse is he is lightheaded from the fresh air outside, or still fuming at all the shops open in his "RED" zone.
No wonder he has the 2nd highest count in HCMC districts.

High on excitement the end of restriction is coming..(hopefully) first grab food delivery arrived today.. cannot remember how long it's been.

Swerving back towards the thread to keep moaners happy 😋

I watched dozens of staff at the hospital today going about their daily business or checking and vaccinating people. The elderly that had trouble getting in the building were cared for, some in wheels chairs lifted up the steps. Not s single grumble from the staff

If anything a visit to a hospital reinforces my views of the strength and commitment of the locals...

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Got my second shot this morning.. just waiting for app to update

Looks like someone else cant read the thread title,,, so its not you having a senior moment GOB haha
Jig's excuse is he is lightheaded from the fresh air outside, or still fuming at all the shops open in his "RED" zone.
No wonder he has the 2nd highest count in HCMC districts.

High on excitement the end of restriction is coming..(hopefully) first grab food delivery arrived today.. cannot remember how long it's been.

Swerving back towards the thread to keep moaners happy 😋

I watched dozens of staff at the hospital today going about their daily business or checking and vaccinating people. The elderly that had trouble getting in the building were cared for, some in wheels chairs lifted up the steps. Not s single grumble from the staff

If anything a visit to a hospital reinforces my views of the strength and commitment of the locals...

Meanwhile people moan about not getting grab food  she don't cook that great?

Andybris2020 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Looks like someone else cant read the thread title,,, so its not you having a senior moment GOB haha
Jig's excuse is he is lightheaded from the fresh air outside, or still fuming at all the shops open in his "RED" zone.
No wonder he has the 2nd highest count in HCMC districts.

High on excitement the end of restriction is coming..(hopefully) first grab food delivery arrived today.. cannot remember how long it's been.

Swerving back towards the thread to keep moaners happy 😋

I watched dozens of staff at the hospital today going about their daily business or checking and vaccinating people. The elderly that had trouble getting in the building were cared for, some in wheels chairs lifted up the steps. Not s single grumble from the staff

If anything a visit to a hospital reinforces my views of the strength and commitment of the locals...

Meanwhile people moan about not getting grab food  she don't cook that great?

If only shopee would do something about their p**s poor service.

Shopee express who are meant to be delivering an order from D10 have sent mine to the Cu Chi sorting center where it has been for almost two weeks. Tried their support email address... Failed mail box full.

Oddly every other courier seems to be fine, I see tons of drivers and riders arriving every day

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Andybris2020 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

High on excitement the end of restriction is coming..(hopefully) first grab food delivery arrived today.. cannot remember how long it's been.

Swerving back towards the thread to keep moaners happy 😋

I watched dozens of staff at the hospital today going about their daily business or checking and vaccinating people. The elderly that had trouble getting in the building were cared for, some in wheels chairs lifted up the steps. Not s single grumble from the staff

If anything a visit to a hospital reinforces my views of the strength and commitment of the locals...

Meanwhile people moan about not getting grab food  she don't cook that great?

If only shopee would do something about their p**s poor service.

Shopee express who are meant to be delivering an order from D10 have sent mine to the Cu Chi sorting center where it has been for almost two weeks. Tried their support email address... Failed mail box full.

Oddly every other courier seems to be fine, I see tons of drivers and riders arriving every day

Did no one tell you to meet them at the end of tunnel #2345?