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A_KUMAR

Good morning everybody.. I'm living in Brazil since 20/03/2020 and married my Brazilian wife on 20/05/2020. I applied for residence permit trice but got delayed due to corona. Finally I got my CRNM CARD in September 2021, which was issued on 06/09/2021. I applied for citizenship of brazil based on my marriage to my Brazilian citizen wife in October 2021 but it was denied for not completed 1 year residence. I'm very much confused. Please help me to get this done. Thanks

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Texanbrazil

Conditions of Naturalization
Applicants must meet the following conditions:

A   Legal capacity, according to Brazilian law.                         

B   Registration as a permanent resident of Brazil.                     

C   Proof of uninterrupted  residence in Brazil for at least four years immediately prior to lodging the application.             

D   Ability to read and write Portuguese in a manner commensurate with his or her possibilities.                         

E   Exercise of a profession or own sufficient property for support of self and family. This condition is met if the applicant:

   (a) receives a pension for work done in Brazil, or                   

   (b) is a student up to the age of 25, or                             

   (c) is married to a Brazilian citizen, or                           

   (d) shows proof of support by a parent, relative or descendant who has enough resources to meet the legal requirement's for the applicant's support.                           

F   Proof of good behavior.                                             

G   Absence of any denunciation, indictment or sentence in Brazil for a crime punishable, in principle, by more than one year in prison.                                                 

H   No income tax debits in Brazil.                                     

I   Good health. No proof of good health is required from a foreigner who has continuously resided in Brazil for more than two years immediately prior to the date the application is lodged. See "reduced period of residence" below.     

Absences from Brazil
The required four year period of residence is not considered interrupted by trips abroad, provided that the motive for such trip is considered relevant by the Minister of Justice and that the total sum of the periods of absence from Brazil does not exceed eighteen months.

Reduced Period of Residence
The required four-year period of residence may be shortened to, if the applicant:

One year: has a Brazilian child or is married to a Brazilian.

One year: has a Brazilian parent; 

One year: has rendered or is in a position to render relevant services to Brazil, at the discretion  of the Minister of Justice.

Two years: is eligible because of professional, scientific or artistic ability.

Three years: owns property of expressive value in Brazil; is an industrialist, owning expressive resources; or owns expressive paid-in shares in any corporation specially and permanently active in industry or agriculture.

Special Cases of Naturalization
Citizens from Portuguese-Speaking Countries
According to the Constitution of the Federative Republic of Brazil (art. 12, II, a), citizens from Portuguese-speaking countries may obtain Brazilian citizenship by residing in Brazil for one uninterrupted year and having moral integrity.

Foreign Citizens Residing in Brazil for over 15 years
According to the Constitution of the Federative Republic of Brazil (art. 12, II, b), foreign nationals with no criminal conviction residing in Brazil for over fifteen uninterrupted years may have the Brazilian citizenship if they so request. No other conditions are required.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON NATURALIZATION PROCEDURES CAN BE OBTAINED IN BRAZIL AT ANY FEDERAL POLICE PRECINCT.

This information page is valid as of 04/03/99 and replaces all previous ones.

abthree

12/29/21

"Residence in Brazil" for purposes of naturalization is counted from the issue date of your CRNM.  You can apply again anytime starting on 06/10/2022.. 

In order to apply, you will need to update the documentation that you presented to obtain your CRNM, present criminal background checks from the Brazilian Federal and State authorities (generally available online), and provide proof of Portuguese language proficiency, usually in the form of a passing certificate on the CelpeBras exam.  See "Naturalização" on the Polícia Federal website for complete details.

Texanbrazil

Follow abthree. He has done all of this and provides the knowledge first hand  :one

A_KUMAR

Thanks you for your help and replay @ abthree&taxanbrazil.. However PF replied " As per ORDINANCE No. 623, OF NOVEMBER 13, 2020, which provides for naturalization procedures:
Immigrant must meet the following requirements:

I)     Has civil capacity under Brazilian law

II) Resides in Brazil for an indefinite period of at least 04 (four) years;

III)  Has the ability to communicate in Portuguese

In the analysis of your process, you still do not have enough time to make the request for naturalization, since you entered Brazil on, Entry Date: 03/19/2020, and became

resident for an indefinite period on 09/16/2021, thus not having 01 year of resident.

Only from 06/16/2022 can another request be made, since after that date the minimum period of 01 year of resident will have been fulfilled.

Note: The term is 04 years, and it drops to 01 year of resident if you are married" which is confusing. Also I applied first time on 06/07/2020 for CRNM CARD  and processing was delaying due to pandemic so won't I get discounts for it by PF?

abthree

12/29/21

A_KUMAR wrote:

Note: The term is 04 years, and it drops to 01 year of resident if you are married" which is confusing. Also I applied first time on 06/07/2020 for CRNM CARD  and processing was delaying due to pandemic so won't I get discounts for it by PF?


I almost never say "never" in Brazil, because anything is possible.  You may talk to the right PF agent when s/he is having an especially good day and get a break; you're much more likely, though to get a kick in the pants and maybe a black mark on your record for asking for special treatment when the rules are clear.  You're eligible one year after the issue date on your CRNM.

As I said above, your petition won't be accepted unless you've passed CelpeBras anyway.   Although it's usually given twice a year, it was only given once in 2020 and 2021 because of covid.  The last time was in July 2021; the 2022 schedule hasn't been published yet, that I can find.

A_KUMAR

Thanks you for your help and suggestions.. So I can apply anytime after 06/09/2022??

A_KUMAR

And also what PF means to say by " Only from 06/16/2022 can another request be made, since after that date the minimum period of 01 year of resident will have been fulfilled". Please explain this.

abthree

12/29/21

A_KUMAR wrote:

And also what PF means to say by " Only from 06/16/2022 can another request be made, since after that date the minimum period of 01 year of resident will have been fulfilled". Please explain this.


It's probably just a typo.  The date that appears on your CRNM is authoritative.   :top:

A_KUMAR

Thanks you very much for clarifying my doubts.. Have a nice day 😀

rasvi

I have applied the Brazilian citizenship all went well

I gave my fingerprints at the PF then I have seen in the system it was in a stage of  Análise MJSP.

did not ask me any documents further during the stage of análise MJSP so it seems like all went well on the stage of Análise MJSP, but now when I see the system it came back again to the stage  of análise PF


my question is as far as I had no problem in the  both stages PF and MJSP then again came back to the stage  as análise PF in the system, it means All went well just wait  for the publication in  Diario official?


will PF inform me to come there to get the citizenship?

abthree

09/18/22 Hi, rasvi. Please see my answer to this question in your other thread. Congratulations on reaching this point!  You're still a long way from the Diário Oficial, though.

Owen TODAN

thank you .are there agencies specializing in intervening with the federal police for the naturalization process?  I mean case facilitators.  I specify well.  Aid agencies to speed up the file

Abrahamsabuj

@rasvi same thing happened with my application today. What was the update of your application? Please keep updating. Thank

Abrahamsabuj

@A_KUMAR same thing happened with my application today. What was the update of your application? Please keep updating. Thanks

Abrahamsabuj

  I have applied the Brazilian citizenship all went wellI gave my fingerprints at the PF then I have seen in the system it was in a stage of  Análise MJSP.did not ask me any documents further during the stage of análise MJSP so it seems like all went well on the stage of Análise MJSP, but now when I see the system it came back again to the stage  of análise PFmy question is as far as I had no problem in the  both stages PF and MJSP then again came back to the stage  as análise PF in the system, it means All went well just wait  for the publication in  Diario official?will PF inform me to come there to get the citizenship?        -@rasvi

same thing happened with my application today. What was the update of your application? Please keep updating. Thanks

abthree


04/12/24  same thing happened with my application today. What was the update of your application? Please keep updating. Thanks        -@Abrahamsabuj


Once the system shows the status of your case as "deferido" -- approved -- you should check the Diário Oficial da União daily :


https://www.gov.br/imprensanacional/pt-br


In "Pesquisa Avançada", look for your CRNM number, "Resultado Exato", "Tudo", "Último Mês" or "Última Semana"


Once you find your name and CRNM number, print out the Portaria that includes the announcement of your naturalization, and your Certificate of Naturalization:


https://www.gov.br/pt-br/servicos/obter … uralizacao


Bring the Portaria and your Naturalization Certificate to the local Justiça Eleitoral, and they will register you as a voter and tell you what else you need to do.  After that, you should be able to get your Registro Nacional from your local prefeitura, and your Brazilian passport from the Polícia Federal.

Abrahamsabuj

No its just showing analysis PF. It was in analysis MJSP since last year July and suddenly today I got notification that the new status is analysis PF. So what does that mean? Thanks for your response

abthree


04/12/24   No its just showing analysis PF. It was in analysis MJSP since last year July and suddenly today I got notification that the new status is analysis PF. So what does that mean? Thanks for your response
   

    -@Abrahamsabuj


My guess would be that it's been sent back to the Polícia Federal office.  What document did you submit to prove your Portuguese proficiency, and what documents did you use for your criminal background check?  As long as you've met the residency time requirement, those are the areas that are most likely to be potential problems.

Abrahamsabuj

I gave them FAAP university certificate for the Portuguese language and I gave both from home country and Brazilian criminal records certificate which was authenticate by Brazilian embassy in my home country

abthree


04/12/24    I gave them FAAP university certificate for the Portuguese language and I gave both from home country and Brazilian criminal records certificate which was authenticate by Brazilian embassy in my home country
   

    -@Abrahamsabuj


Consider going to the PF office with your Protocolo, and asking them if there's a problem with your petition.  If you have the detailed course syllabus for the FAAP course, your grade report, and proof that the course was approved by the Ministry of Education, have them with you, and if they say that there's a problem with your proof of proficiency in Portuguese, offer them the additional documents.  If they say that there's no problem, just thank them and don't offer them anything else. 

Abrahamsabuj

They have requested me these additional documents before and I have given them all and the course is approved by the ministry of higer education and eligible for naturalization. I am in confused about my situation

abthree


04/12/24    They have requested me these additional documents before and I have given them all and the course is approved by the ministry of higer education and eligible for naturalization. I am in confused about my situation
   

    -@Abrahamsabuj


When my naturalization petition had been hung up for six months, I went to the office and asked politely if there was any problem.  Since I was there, they asked for more documents, I gave them to them, and later my petition was approved.  I don't know whether they'll still talk to people who just walk in, but if I hadn't done it, I probably wouldn't have known there was a problem until I saw in the system that I had been rejected.

thelifeofeo

@abthree

Hello sir. I have been reading your replies for years now and finally have reasons to reach out with my questions. Are you familiar with the reasons for why the PF might come to your condominium to confirm if you live there? Do they ask if you are in a stable union to the neighbours?

Do they ask if the Brazilian partner lives there too?

In a case where neighbours don't talk to each other I wonder what they can answer.


Whatever you know about the visit after going for biometric would be appreciated. I live in Rio for context and never filed for asylum. I was always a temporary resident before moving to permanent through união estável

Peter Itamaraca

@thelifeofeo

I am not certain if it applies to every class of visa application, nor in all situations, but I know of numerous cases when the PF have visited unannounced and talked to residents, neighbours, employees, and even people on the street! I guess they are trying to verify the voracity of the application in any way they can?


I can also foresee a big problem if you have fallen out with your neighbours (which is quite hard to do given the friendliness of Brazilians generally)...

abthree

01/09/25  Hello sir. I have been reading your replies for years now and finally have reasons to reach out with my questions. Are you familiar with the reasons for why the PF might come to your condominium to confirm if you live there? Do they ask if you are in a stable union to the neighbours?Do they ask if the Brazilian partner lives there too?In a case where neighbours don't talk to each other I wonder what they can answer. Whatever you know about the visit after going for biometric would be appreciated. I live in Rio for context and never filed for asylum. I was always a temporary resident before moving to permanent through união estável - @thelifeofeo

Good morning.  In the case of a citizenship application, the PF make the home visit to meet with the applicant and his/her partner in their home to confirm that they actually live at the address and seem to be in the relationship claimed in the application.  In a condominium if the applicant and partner are not home, the officer may talk to the building staff (if the building has staff on duty) or with the Síndico; it's doubtful that he or she would start interviewing neighbors, as they might in the case of a detached house. 


If you're not at home, the PF should notify you that they visited and failed to make contact, but you may not get the email, so you should check the status of your case daily for any changes.  If you see that there's been an unsuccessful visit attempt, you should contact them.


While we were awaiting the visit for my application, we told building staff that we were expecting a visit from the PF and why, and whenever we went out we told the person on duty where we were going and when we expected to be back.  As it happened, we had gone out to do some shopping when the officer came.  The porteiro had known us for several years and was able to vouch for us and to tell us about the interview when we returned.  In this case, the officer was satisfied and left a message to tell us that he wouldn't need to come back. 

thelifeofeo

@abthree

Thank you for explaining. What I wanted to know was what was asked of the porteiro when they came.


From everyone I know who has had the visit, they do not come in to their house or ask if they are home. Everyone including one from January 15th, had porteiros and they always spoke only to the Porteiros and left. So even if you were home like one who shared his experience from this month, they won't ask to see you.


A friend explained yesterday that he learnt that the visit is simply an "address verification" and nothing more. They are not there to confirm if you are married or live with your partner or at home or anything else about your application. The porteiros in their cases usually didn't know they did any applications till the PF came.


This was what I was trying to know though. The content of the questions they asked the porteiros but from the most I have gathered it points towards simply confirming that you the applicant lives there. Then they leave.


I live in a condo with houses and will hear when someone is at the gate. In that case, I heard that when they see me, that would be enough and they would leave without needing to ask anyone else as I would have confirmed to them that I live there.

thelifeofeo

@Peter Itamaraca

Thanks Peter.


I confirmed that the visit is simply address verification. It would not be nice to expect everyone to be friendly with every neighbour. And being unfriendly with a neighbour shouldn't disqualify one from being a Brasilian citizen I hope 😀


They would only speak with neighbours when there's no porteiro and if it's not you who answered the door. Otherwise they just want to confirm that you the applicant lives there.

JNSQ86

They visited my home 1 week after the biometrics.


I was at home,  but they didn't even want to see me, in stead they talked to the porteiro.


She had to confirm:

  1. That it was really us who lived there, using the pictures and ID's we gave during biometry. They brought all this printed.
  2. The relationship as in "do you ever see them together".
  3. My ability to speak Portuguese.

They also made her sign something, but I am not sure what it said.


I was at home,  but they didn't even want to see me, even when the porteiro offered to call me. I only found out about this after they'd already left.


I forgot to inform our portaria before, and the porteiro was very worried she had me deported or something. It's always a good idea to maintain a good relationship with your porteiros, so don't forget to let them know a visit from the PF could happen and why it could happen. If you don't have a porteiro, I think you should let your neighbors know.

abthree

01/22/25 @thelifeofleo.  What the PF asked at our home was almost identical with what they asked at JNSQ86's, although they did ask to see me, and would have if we had not just stepped out. 

thelifeofeo

@abthree

Thank you both for your replies.


Could you confirm if you applied through marriage?


It seems it's a different requirement or thoroughness for marriage and for the city you apply from. You know how Brasil can be.


I checked the documents required and I never submitted a photo of my partner just his name.

I am not told to bring all the original documents I submitted and nowhere did they mention bringing his photo or ID card in his email. I only submitted that when I applied for PR. Meanwhile someone I know in Sao Paulo who did união estável said she was told to come with her partners photo and hers. My email invitation doesn't contain that.

abthree

01/22/25 @thelifeofleo.  When you go to the PF office as the foreign spouse of a Brazilian, whether for residency or naturalization, it's always a good idea to have your Brazilian spouse with you, whether the paperwork specifically calls for his/her presence or not.  You're only required to bring what is requested though, although the PF can always ask for more.


As for the home visit, as long as everything on your naturalization petition, including your relationship status, is still true, there's no need to be very worried.  If the PF are not satisfied, you'll be given opportunities to resolve their concerns.

meiasdoglegs8f

Hi all, I’ve enjoyed reading about your experiences.


I just gave biometrics in SP - the process was stuck for almost 2 years. After reviewing my docs and taking biometrics, the agent informed me that the PF review was complete and it’ll move to MJ shortly. Does that mean no visit?


How long will MJ review take?


Abraço,Gert

abthree

01/28/25 @meiasdoglegs8f.  The MJ review can take a few more months, but since your case has already been held up for so long, it may go faster.


Don't count on there not being a home visit.  That's generally the last step as the MJ completes its review.  The arrival of the officer for the home visit is a good sign:  it means that the review is complete and, if the report is positive, you're petition is probably about to be approved.  Once your case goes to Brasília, it's a good idea to be checking status on the MJ website at least once a week.  Once the home visit takes place, check it every day, and as soon as it shows up as "deferido", start looking for your name and CRNM number in the Diário Oficial.  When that appears, print off the Portaria and take it to your local Justiça Eleitoral:  they'll process your Título de Eleitor and tell you the next steps.


If they decide not to do a home visit but your case shows up as "deferido" and your naturalization is published, you're good to go and can head over to the Justiça Eleitoral.

meiasdoglegs8f

@abthree

I appreciate your feedback. It’s no bother if they do pop by, I just imagined that it would add time to the overall process!


My only worry is that I’ve a lot of travel planned for the near future, and may exceed the 90 days ausência. Hopefully they’ll show some leniency in the event that I exceed 90 days! If they don’t, I’ll simply re-apply, which isn’t really in anyone’s interest.

thelifeofeo

@meiasdoglegs8f

I am not sure if the 90 days absence should matter anymore after this point. I think it's useful before biometrics but after you are done and have your passport, I don't see how they would know or track if you are out of town for that long.

abthree

01/28/25 I appreciate your feedback. It’s no bother if they do pop by, I just imagined that it would add time to the overall process! My only worry is that I’ve a lot of travel planned for the near future, and may exceed the 90 days ausência. Hopefully they’ll show some leniency in the event that I exceed 90 days! If they don’t, I’ll simply re-apply, which isn’t really in anyone’s interest. - @meiasdoglegs8f

I'm not sure what 90 days you're concerned about:  you're still a permanent resident and have your CRNM, right?  If so, you're free to come and go as you please.  Even if your naturalization petition is rejected, that won't change.


If the PF visit and don't find you, and don't feel that they can verify your facts by talking to other people, they'll try to contact you and arrange to meet with you when you're at home.  If they can't reach you, the MJ may deny your petition, but even if they do, it will appear as "indeferido" when you check, and you'll still have ten days to appeal.  See the flowchart at the bottom of this page:


https://www.gov.br/mj/pt-br/assuntos/se … -ordinaria


It would certainly be inconvenient for you to have to assemble fresh documents for a new petition, but the MJ won't hold the denied one against you.  They have all the time in the world.

meiasdoglegs8f

@abthree

apologies if I was not clear, I do appreciate your help.


I am permanent resident, correct. By 90 days, I understand that there’s a limit during Naturalization. If I exceed this by a couple of days, would the MJ outright reject the procedure to naturalize? Or do they have some flexibility?


If rejected, I’d simply re-apply, which would surely be more taxing to have to re-review my application. Also, if we’re talking about sticking to time limits, my application’s far exceeded the 180 days!! Kkk

meiasdoglegs8f

@thelifeofeo

The PF’s records of movimentos migratórios are available digitally. You can request a copy for free online, they’re emitted within a day.

I don’t know how strict they are with these things!

roddiesho

@abthree Ok, I am finally out of the rock I`ve been living under for the last few years. What the heck is BIOMETRICS and what does it have to do with my Permanent Residency if anything....


Sorry my dawgs are bakn so I have to go.


Roddie in Retirement😏

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