If you have permanent residency and passport

03/07/22

I renewed my passport after it expired.

I just kept my old passport with the visa in it in a safe place with the new one, and used the new one and my CRNM to enter and leave Brazil.  Never was asked for the old one, but I had it with me just in case.

(I'm now a dual national Brazilian citizen so I enter and leave Brazil on my Brazilian Passport, but until that happened, that's what I did.)

In order to renew your CRNM, you will need a valid passport.
You could start the process of becoming a Brazilian citizen and get a Brazilian passport.
Interesting question. Not many foreigners do not have expired passports.
I take it you never want to travel?

Texanbrazil wrote:

In order to renew your CRNM, you will need a valid passport.
You could start the process of becoming a Brazilian citizen and get a Brazilian passport.
Interesting question. Not many foreigners do not have expired passports.
I take it you never want to travel?

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Unless by accident or if they have dual citizenship with Brazil, I really do not know why any foreigner living in Brazil would knowingly let their foreign passport expire. Am I missing something here?  With your CRNM, will you never need your foreign passport to buy a home, obtain loans, buy cars, get a Brazilian driver's license, etc.?

Thank to all who responded to my question. Since there was the world shut down. It became obvious getting documents renewed became more difficult. Also as we all get older there may come a time you don’t travel outside of Brazil. I think it’s over 60 or 65 your CRNM has no renewal date it permanent. I not at the age to stop traveling but I do have permanent CRNM. Thanks again

It is true over 60 and CRNM is permanent. For many after retirement, traveling is what many look forward to. I have traveled the world, but many more places to see. (Wife wants to go everywhere  )
Even CRNM holders are guests and who knows what could happen in this political climate.

NewBrazil wrote:

Thank to all who responded to my question. Since there was the world shut down. It became obvious getting documents renewed became more difficult. Also as we all get older there may come a time you don’t travel outside of Brazil. I think it’s over 60 or 65 your CRNM has no renewal date it permanent. I not at the age to stop traveling but I do have permanent CRNM. Thanks again

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Covid only made travel a little more difficult for the most part (mostly just getting pre-flight Covid testing was not fun). For the most part, I did not find the world shut down, only a few countries either closed or made travel difficult. I went to three countries last year, 2021, flying in and out of both Brazil and the USA without any issues. At 63 now, I truly hope I never stop traveling, ever. I've been to almost thirty countries, to most of those several or more times, and have just gotten started. I ha e been to Ukraine five times and just cry seeing the streets I've walked on now in a war. Crimea and Yalta in particular were arguably the most romantic places in the world until 2014. I'm in the USA now and back to my home now in Brazil, (RNM) in three weeks after I go up to Canada.  It's a part of me and in my Viking blood, I keep a suitcase and weekend bag packed.

rraypo wrote:

Covid only made travel a little more difficult for the most part (mostly just getting pre-flight Covid testing was not fun). For the most part, I did not find the world shut down, only a few countries either closed or made travel difficult.

I agree.  The covid precautions for fully vaxxed, socially distance people like ourselves were more an inconvenience than a shutdown.  The airlines' profiteering was actually a bigger annoyance.

What HAS upset any further plans we had for international travel, though, has been the (hopefully temporary🤞) loss of our international flights out of Manaus.  Having to go abroad through São Paulo adds two travel days to any trip; it was worth it to see family for Thanksgiving, but we won't be doing it again if we can avoid it.  This won't hinder our travel within Brazil, though, and we have a couple of fun trips planned for the coming months.

abthree wrote:

rraypo wrote:

Covid only made travel a little more difficult for the most part (mostly just getting pre-flight Covid testing was not fun). For the most part, I did not find the world shut down, only a few countries either closed or made travel difficult.

I agree.  The covid precautions for fully vaxxed, socially distance people like ourselves were more an inconvenience than a shutdown.  The airlines' profiteering was actually a bigger annoyance.

What HAS upset any further plans we had for international travel, though, has been the (hopefully temporary🤞) loss of our international flights out of Manaus.  Having to go abroad through São Paulo adds two travel days to any trip; it was worth it to see family for Thanksgiving, but we won't be doing it again if we can avoid it.  This won't hinder our travel within Brazil, though, and we have a couple of fun trips planned for the coming months.

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Holy cowsers!
In the USA, getting pre-flight Covid tests has become all but impossible to readily obtain, and super expensive. I typically fly in and out of Seattle. The testing center at SEA is barely open now, 12 PM-5 PM only last month, and has failed me twice in getting timely results. No longer do Rite-Aid and other stores offer the tests. 
So, I have been using a lab set up in a local airport hotel for $150. U.S. in cash per test, no card, no insurance.  I tried Sacramento and Portland and they were worse. In Sacramento, I had to take an Uber into town to a medical clinic.  This is most certainly all about money

Next month, I need to fly into GRU and up to Sao Jose do Rio Preto where they have a nice airport to get my car.  However, there are almost no connecting flights now from GRU without spending the night. Until a year ago, this was a very simple connection.  So, I will need to take the bus.  This all seems so strange.

Sorry about your loss of Manaus as your airport

rraypo wrote:

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Holy cowsers!
In the USA, getting pre-flight Covid tests has become all but impossible to readily obtain, and super expensive. I typically fly in and out of Seattle. The testing center at SEA is barely open now, 12 PM-5 PM only last month, and has failed me twice in getting timely results.

Wow -- things have gotten a lot worse in the US since December, then.

We were in purple-red North Carolina.  Our drive-thru testing site didn't seem terribly well organized, but they go us our results electronically on time and at no charge, we uploaded them to the VeriFly app, and we were good to go all the way home.

with local ID you can  travel to all the mercosul/Mercosur countries without passport.

Pukapi wrote:

with local ID you can  travel to all the mercosul/Mercosur countries without passport.

This is true, but IMO should you have an issue and need assistance (especially a legal issue) you should have a copy of your passport with you.
You may have a PR in BR and travel to and from Merc. countries, but you are not a BR citizen, and if an issue arises BR will not help. You would need to contact the embassy of your citizenship.
I cross to and from AR, Uraguay, and PY many times. I do not take my passport, just a physical copy and copy on my phone.

This is true.
On the other hand renewing passport ( at least in my country) does not equal to renew citizenship. You are citizen no matter what, so keeping any proof of citizenship is  usually enough, they want deny because passport is old, it's not a main proof of being citizen.

PS if somebody looses, has old passport and wishes to return to motherland, consul can  issue a paper for migration to let this person fly away home 1 single time without psssport or any ID at all, and it works:)

Okay. Not certain as to what you are discussing, but whatever you believe is good is fine with me. It was an opinion, not a debate.
You can carry a birth certificate around (original) for proof. Yes, a consulate can issue an emergency passport.