Ideas for a small PT company in Bali

Bali has seen a rough time since the covid mess but it looks like things are on the way back.
Perhaps I might offer a suggestion - look at what's missing in Bali that you are capable of doing.
Then ask if it's missing because there's no hope of trade, or because nobody has thought of it.
5 million restaurants and other tourist centered businesses means takings are spread 5 million ways.

Yes Fred,  that's a good suggestion mate.

Thought about the restaurant but I believe it would be too risky and I don't think we can offer any thing new beside what other offering right now.

Let's see what others might suggest, and Yes Bali will always come back! Covid will go and people will be normal.

Hi Rashed, I'm Antonio from Italy,  and  about in the middle of April I will too arrive in Bali.
I will write here my e-mail, so if you contact me, I will suggest a  initial business   and all informations, may  be we can join.
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I don't want to contact anyone, Im just looking for suggestions:)

So Antonio, why don't you say it here and I'm not looking for a partner.

Thank you for the offer 🙏

I think Bali is synonymous with tourism. Here are some habits that are most often sought after by local tourists.  Lodging with cheap but comfortable rental prices, comfortable gathering places such as coffee shops, local specialties, finally souvenirs (can be snacks, clothes with local designs, etc).  Of all the most sought after are souvenirs.  Local tourists usually use Bali as a place for pre-wedding photos or weddings or honeymoons.  But from all of that, look for the type of business that you both have the most control over.  Actually, I believe that any type of business will run smoothly if there is careful planning, budget, patience, perseverance, evaluation, good promotion and commitment.  Do not try to run a business if you are afraid of failure.  Sometimes success can come quickly but sometimes it can also take a long time.  Wish you luck.

Ryan_chaniago wrote:

Do not try to run a business if you are afraid of failure. .

Good point, but I would add - Don't put money in you can't afford to lose.

Exactly guys! I agree with both of you.
From our side we both good at agriculture.

We might also do that out of Bali and it will be cheaper even. Do some coconuts and vegetables farming in sulawesi, as Bali is already too crowded.

RashedAlqemzi wrote:

We might also do that out of Bali and it will be cheaper even. Do some coconuts and vegetables farming in sulawesi, as Bali is already too crowded.

Bali is the singularly most popular area of Indonesia for a number of reasons, but many other areas have exceptional beauty as well as business opportunities.

Some parts of Sulawesi  had a bit of an issue with radical groups but the cops (D88) killed a good few of them. If the serious mob (Kopassus) go in as a many want, the lot will disappear pretty quickly. Terrorists don't play with Gultor because they find out the true meaning of 'terror' in a 'dead pretty fast' sort of way. Imagine the SAS but meaner, and you have the TNI's special anti terror group.

The more serious issue, and one you're far more likely to come accross, there is heavy industry. The island's location makes it an idea base for a number of industries, so check out what's in any area you're considering before you commit to anything.

Fred wrote:

RashedAlqemzi wrote:

We might also do that out of Bali and it will be cheaper even. Do some coconuts and vegetables farming in sulawesi, as Bali is already too crowded.

Bali is the singularly most popular area of Indonesia for a number of reasons, but many other areas have exceptional beauty as well as business opportunities.

Some parts of Sulawesi  had a bit of an issue with radical groups but the cops (D88) killed a good few of them. If the serious mob (Kopassus) go in as a many want, the lot will disappear pretty quickly. Terrorists don't play with Gultor because they find out the true meaning of 'terror' in a 'dead pretty fast' sort of way. Imagine the SAS but meaner, and you have the TNI's special anti terror group.

The more serious issue, and one you're far more likely to come accross, there is heavy industry. The island's location makes it an idea base for a number of industries, so check out what's in any area you're considering before you commit to anything.

Yes Fred,
Bali is good for a competition businesses as many are already in place. Also require high capital to start with.
We are looking for living income without too much competition and hustle, Yes all business with have hustle and issues, that's normal, however, we try to minimize as much as possible. Therefore, Bali would be tough decision for us now.

Sulawesi and every place on earth have issues, we are planning in north of Manado, it's good area and not bad to start with. coconuts farming is good there and better land price for us. My wife is from there as well.

I wish we can invest in Bali... but I don't feel good now. unless we find a good idea and we are able to manage.

RashedAlqemzi wrote:

Fred wrote:

RashedAlqemzi wrote:

We might also do that out of Bali and it will be cheaper even. Do some coconuts and vegetables farming in sulawesi, as Bali is already too crowded.

Bali is the singularly most popular area of Indonesia for a number of reasons, but many other areas have exceptional beauty as well as business opportunities.

Some parts of Sulawesi  had a bit of an issue with radical groups but the cops (D88) killed a good few of them. If the serious mob (Kopassus) go in as a many want, the lot will disappear pretty quickly. Terrorists don't play with Gultor because they find out the true meaning of 'terror' in a 'dead pretty fast' sort of way. Imagine the SAS but meaner, and you have the TNI's special anti terror group.

The more serious issue, and one you're far more likely to come accross, there is heavy industry. The island's location makes it an idea base for a number of industries, so check out what's in any area you're considering before you commit to anything.

Yes Fred,
Bali is good for a competition businesses as many are already in place. Also require high capital to start with.
We are looking for living income without too much competition and hustle, Yes all business with have hustle and issues, that's normal, however, we try to minimize as much as possible. Therefore, Bali would be tough decision for us now.

Sulawesi and every place on earth have issues, we are planning in north of Manado, it's good area and not bad to start with. coconuts farming is good there and better land price for us. My wife is from there as well.

I wish we can invest in Bali... but I don't feel good now. unless we find a good idea and we are able to manage.

Coconuts take a long time to grow.  But I think it's a good plan.  Because coconut is widely used for needs.  I think you should also have a job or another business with a fast-moving business while waiting for the initial process of growing coconuts.

Actually, the cost of living is relatively cheap on the island of Java.  For example in Yogyakarta or actually other areas except Jakarta and Bandung.  I live on the island of Java.  Near my territory there is still a lot of cheap land and the cost of living is not too high. While the cost of living outside Java is quite high.

We planning to have some animals farming and other plants while we wait. And also there lands with coconuts trees already planted, but higher price.

We haven't looked in Java so far, any info?

RashedAlqemzi wrote:

We planning to have some animals farming and other plants while we wait. And also there lands with coconuts trees already planted, but higher price.

We haven't looked in Java so far, any info?

Why don't you try aquaponics?  A system that combines agriculture and animal husbandry.  Actually I have a friend who wants to sell his house in the Bogor area, West Java.
The land is sufficient for agriculture and animals farming.  But I don't know if the price fits your budget or not.  All I know is that he sold his house below market value.

But apart from that there is still a lot of land on the island of Java which is relatively cheap, but the area is far from urban areas.

Btw, it's been a year since I started a side business of raising superworms.

Bogor is handy for Jakarta and, if you're a bit out of town, it can be quieter. The further up the hills you go, the cooler it gets, but it's mostly hot.
Assuming you aren't too far out of the way (and near an Alfamart and an Indomaret - where isn't?), you'll have all the basics you need to live a stress free life.

Fred wrote:

Bogor is handy for Jakarta and, if you're a bit out of town, it can be quieter. The further up the hills you go, the cooler it gets, but it's mostly hot.
Assuming you aren't too far out of the way (and near an Alfamart and an Indomaret - where isn't?), you'll have all the basics you need to live a stress free life.

Mr. Fred is absolutely right.  Regarding the two minimarkets, don't worry. There are quite a few store in the Bogor area.  haha.. Even if you can't find they store, but you have enough capital.  You can open one of these store.  Because they open up opportunities for francishe.

What I know is that the cost to open their franchise is around 300 million to 600 million rupiah.  There is a cheaper one, namely a franchise from the lotte group.  It's only about 100 million rupiah.  Provided you have a place to set up a store.

There are Indomarets and Alfamarts around every corner in most places, but there are gaps.
The following links will look after that

https://waralaba.alfamart.co.id/https://indomaret.co.id/home/index/terwaralabahttps://lottemart.co.id/mitra-usaha-lotte-grosir

I have absolutely no idea what sort of profit you'd be looking at, but the numbers must be some good or there wouldn't be so many that stick around for years.

Fred wrote:

There are Indomarets and Alfamarts around every corner in most places, but there are gaps.
The following links will look after that

https://waralaba.alfamart.co.id/https://indomaret.co.id/home/index/terwaralabahttps://lottemart.co.id/mitra-usaha-lotte-grosir

I have absolutely no idea what sort of profit you'd be looking at, but the numbers must be some good or there wouldn't be so many that stick around for years.

I just want to add a little information.  The three companies have different values.  But I can say whatever value you spend all depends on you too.  Many people join the franchise.  But not everything lasts long.  This happens because not all owners can manage their business properly. As I said earlier that commitment to running a business is important.

For example, in one of the franchises with the smallest investment value.  I met several times with the owners of the store that joined the franchise.  But Most complain because they don't really understand how to run their business.  Some eventually closed, some persisted with their business.  Most of the survivors are people who have a high commitment to their business. Because of the company it is entirely up to each member of the franchise to manage their own business.  So actually a lot of people misunderstood.  Many people think that by joining a franchise they just need to sit back without having to think about the business.  Even though they should have worked hard and thought about how their business could progress well.

One important point to note for any business of that nature - Make sure it's really easy to park, and keep the illegal parking attendants away.

If you want to give someone a job watching parking and help get people on the road, have someone polite you can trust, buy them a hi-vis with your company name on it, and let them take the 2 thousand for parking.

Duff, illegal parking people can ruin a business faster that not having a place to park. There are several shops I don't go to simply because there's no easy parking, and others I avoid because I can't stand the people.

One important point to note for any business of that nature - Make sure it's really easy to park, and keep the illegal parking attendants away.

If you want to give someone a job watc...

This is a reality that often happens in the field outside the lawful law.

Supermarkets are good if you know the business and ready to deal with all health and safety issues. 

For us, that would be a headache.. so we agreed on coconuts farm including animals and other crops and mushrooms. 

Trying now to get hold of a good land of about 20,000 m2 near Minahasa, North Sulawesi 

health and safety issues. 

There are rules, but the number of shops actually following them is limited. However, if someone dies on you, there are very likely to be problems.

@RashedAlqemzi Great stuff, love your initiative. Keep us -or @ least me- posted on the progress! Fyki I’ve done the permaculture design course with Geoff Lawton years ago. 

health and safety issues. 

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There are rules, but the number of shops actually following them is limited. However, if someone dies on you, there are very likely to be ... - @Fred

@RashedAlqemzi Great stuff, love your initiative. Keep us -or @ least me- posted on the progress! Fyki I’ve done the permaculture design course with Geoff Lawton years ago. 

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