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rnbtg
In the next few weeks I’ll finally be ready to apply for residency in the basis of marriage. We’re living in SP but planning to move as soon as we can to Bahia. My partner thinks that nothing in Bahia functions (grew up there). It would be easier to apply there because we can move, stay up there and not have to deal with any in between. The alternative would be to stay in SP however long it takes (neither of us want to) or keep our place in SP while we house hunt and stay temporarily in Bahia going back and forth for PF appointments and the interview period if they bring that back. Anyone have experiences with the PF in Bahia or thoughts about these possibilities?

Thanks! Nico
Inubia
sure.
I've been dealing with the PF in Barreiras, the office next door to the rodoviaria ... I was the first american to ever apply for a RCNM there, maybe even the first foreigner....as a result they were ungoldy cautious and timid....on the PF website there is no thread covering investment or aposentado permanent residence so the first time I went there they just rejected it completely.  The second time, I had most but not all of the required documents, and not all were translated or apostilled,, so they rejected me again.  They recommended that I do the marriage first and apply for the family residence.  So I went back home, and got everything that the Cartorio insisted on, i's dotted and t's crossed, and duplicate copies for the PF.
Then I came back here and we got the marriage done .....they even asked for a pregnancy test (Maria is 57 and I am 72....) and we had a lovely ceremony and party.

Then I went back to Barreiras, they took me in right away without an appointment, looked at all  my documents, accepted them, and gave me a temporary protocol within half an hour.  The head of the division had had a few lessons in English and he was delighted to have someone to try them out on.

Two weeks later they emailed to say my permanent card was ready.  We had to go back to Barreiras by bus, and when we went to the PF they were asking for vaccine certificates for entrance so Maria had to stay outside and I had to fend for myself without Portuguese, but it was no problem, I had my card within 10 minutes and we just turned around and came back home.

questions?
rnbtg
Wow that’s incredible. How long ago was that? I always thought smaller cities would be worse but that sounds quite good. We’d be sort of in between a bunch of cities Feira de Santana, Itabuna etc and I assumed Salvador would be easier…
Inubia
well, yes, Barreiras is a long long busride from Feira de Santana .....although if you can drive it, in the day time, BA 242 is simply gorgeous scenery from one end to the other.....
This was very recently, our marriage was May 24, the interview in Barreiras June9th.
Texanbrazil
Wow that’s incredible. How long ago was that? I always thought smaller cities would be worse but that sounds quite good. We’d be sort of in between a bunch of cities Feira de Santana, Itabuna etc and I assumed Salvador would be easier…
- @rnbtg

I found the Agencies PF, RF and cartorio in Foz do Iguacu very helpful. Yes I had to get a few documents apostilled, and I was one of the first (according to the PF agent that did the home visit) US citizen to apply. (yes there were home visit then!)
The Estrangeiro's section had very little wait times and the reception and agents were on first name basis. (PF even did my finger printing for the FBI check). Sometimes I was asked to go back to the secondary section just to have coffee while they reviewed my application.
Basically I found smaller cities great. I had to do some things in Curitiba when buying a condo. That office did have more English speaking agents. I choose Foz believing the red tape would be less. Same red tape but that office guided me during the process.
rnbtg
That is excellent news. We’re itching to get out of São Paulo and will have a car. I have decent fluency in Portuguese so no barrier there.
Paul6611
Hi Inubia,

Good news and thanks for sharing. I have my first part done with a visa done in Washington DC consulate. I went to the PF office about one hour from our home but they would not see me. Now waiting for the brand new local PF office to start processing foreigners. I am hoping that the small city setting will be a little easier and that is where my wife is from. I have paid my two fees but it looks like my 90 days from first entry into Brazil will be exceeded. I am hopeful that I do not have to start the process all over again. What can I expect during the interview? Which documents did you have the most problems with. Did you do the whole process from within Brazil.

Had to laugh about the pregnancy test.

Thanks Paul
Inubia
You need to have every document their website asks for.  If they ask for notarization, it has to be notarized in the USA.  If they ask for apostille, that has to be done in the USA.  If it asks for official translation, that has to be done by an certified translator.  There are channelling companies who will do this for you, for a high fee.
Evidently the "birth certificate" in Brazil can contain current information about a person.  So they require ALL birth certificates to be under 3 months old.  good luck with that.
Other than that, its pretty straight forward, but just do everything correctly, every little detail.
jonesio
The PF Salvador are no worse, or no better, than in any large Brazilian city. Like any office, your personal experience will depend on the people you deal with and their mood on any given day. They are well versed in dealing with residency applications. I am one of the many among my friends who obtained residency through the main PF office in Salvador, altough some time ago. A bigger concern is having all your required documents in order before you get there, as is the case anywhere in this country.
GuestPoster6111

@rnbtg Please get it from anywhere but SP. In my case its almost  3 months after submission, am told am missing comprovante de endereco in my docs which was duly submitted. As said already it all depends on the person on the day and the mood who is attending you.

rnbtg

Follow up questions. My fiancé and I are married next week finally! I had a crazy series of visits to the PF because I’ll have overstayed my visa by 1 week (initially told I could extend then denied but no real issues). We’re planning to move to bahia in hopefully 1-2 weeks but might take longer. I want to apply for residency in bahia but fear the longer I wait the more fines etc. my wife owns a place in bahia we may stay in temporarily that we may use as our permanent address while we house hunt and stay temporarily other places.


So my question is how does the online system work? Can I request an appointment in bahia next week after marrying or are there some further requirements that would block that? We’re having some trouble finding a place from afar that can accommodate our cat, safely store our pickup etc (any advice welcome there too!). Thanks!

rnbtg

Update, we successfully got married at the cartório which was great. I was able to apply for residency in the system. São Paulo is booked 2 months out. I was able to book in Bahia, but our town put us at the Salvador airport. It had some drop down to select place but that would disappear immediately after confirming their warning. Bahia had appts within the next week, but we won't have moved there yet so put it further out. Fingers crossed!

Inubia

congratulations .....

rnbtg

Update: we moved to bahia. Our region is served by the airport in Salvador. Made an appointment for really any day we wanted. We arrived early and we’re seen immediately. I brought our certidão do casamento, my apostiled and translated fbi report (97days old), her RG, the various sworn oath forms, and my passport. The agent asked my wife questions for a little bit, took my photos and prints and gave us our RNM documentation. Insanely efficient and easy. They say the card will be ready for pickup there in the airport. We were married and I applied for residency one week after my visa expired. I assumed this was the date for overstaying the visa. In fact it was the day of the residency interview 37 days after. I was fined 180ish rs. All in all I’m very grateful to you all and Brazil. Thanks!

kmitch0077

Hey thanks for all the helpful information . I was told to return to the PF in Goiânia in 45 days to pick up my permanent Visa. Does anyone know if they count weekends as part of 45 days ? Thanks

abthree

11/16/22 Hey thanks for all the helpful information . I was told to return to the PF in Goiânia in 45 days to pick up my permanent Visa. Does anyone know if they count weekends as part of 45 days ? Thanks
-@kmitch0077


They usually mean "dias úteis", business days, M-F, holidays excepted.  You can always check earlier, though.  Probably not less than a month.

kmitch0077

@abthree thanks a lot that will save me some time and money.

rnbtg

Is there a way to check outside of going there? I was told not to call but just show up. It's a 3+hr drive for me. Thanks!

rnbtg

My question was answered. I just got an email from Sismigra that my document is ready for pickup. That is in a mere 3 weeks. Incredible

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