Renewing WP

Hope anyone can share ideas..tnx halfway that is an exciting topic to discuss..

Does it provide regulations on on the recruitment and management of foreigners working in Vietnam?

The new released Decree 46 tightens the requirements on foreigne employeee recruitment, issuance and renewal of WP and the reporting and management.

It is stipulated that within six months from its effective date, any foreign workers who neither have a work permit nor successfully lodged the application for work permit may be forced to leave Vietnam.

The general sentiment is that it will be very challenging if the requirements of Decree 46 are strictly followed in reality.

But let see how it goes. The regulations and the practical application normally take times to be in consistence

Some info on it from Eurocham...


EuroCham sends letter to Prime Minister about decree 46 on Employment of Foreigners Working in Vietnam

Fri 22 Jul 2011
Hanoi, July 22nd 2011 - EuroCham joined other foreign business associations today and sent a letter to H.E. Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung expressing concern about some provisions of Decree No.46/2011/NĐ-CP (Decree 46) - issued by the Government on 17th June 2011 - that makes a number of major changes to Decree 34/2008/NĐ-CP dated 25 March 2008 on Employment and Administration of Foreigners Working in Vietnam.

Decree 46 will come into effect on 1 August 2011, and the foreign business community is concerned that the new Decree will discourage investment in Vietnam, and would like to seek a solution that satisfies both Vietnams need to control the labour market as well as foreigners freedom to hire their preferred staff without additional administrative burdens.

http://www.eurochamvn.org/downloads/Eur … ly2011.pdf

Here's another from the AmCC:

http://www.amchamvietnam.com/4732

TP is about what both documents are good for. They going to do what they want, when they want.

Thanks folks.

let's hope EuroCham and AmCham can encourage a bit of common sense.

The Vietnamese government only care about 1 thing and I will say it again"1 thing only,  MONEY". It does not matter whatever the policy is, all you have to do is pay them off(lots of money) at the office then you will get your permit. I am sorry to be very frank about it, but that's how it works.

Best to you halfway,
A.N

Thank you for the good wishes A.N.

However, I must add that I have had up to three WPs running at one time when I was working at three different places. I have never paid more than the standard 400,000VND fee for a permit. The rest of the costs, criminal record , health check etc I have paid to each of the relevant bodies at their advertised rate.

The WP I was renewing I have just replaced with a new permit from scratch. The only extra cost was the job advertising. This used to be 33,000VND in the local paper but is now 600,000VND as it now must be advertised in a national newspaper.

I have always dealt directly with the offices concerned re. WPs, residence cards, driving licences etc and I have never had to bribe anyone. I have never had to pay off any official whatsoever.

I would also add that I have never used an agent. This seems to be where all the extra alleged bribes go through and all the dodgy information comes from.

I was merely asking how various companies are handling this new directive.It would appear that AmCham and EuroCham are going about things in the correct manner and I can foresee some changes in the decree soon.

In the interim I've just collected a new WP for this employer and paid no more than previously.

I'll collect my renewed driving licence today and that cost me 30,000VND last week.

Any news from AmCham or EuroCham (or any other Cham for that matter) about any answers or further developments?

I'm meeting a man who knows all of there is to know

Lucky you...... that'll be that then. Great information, well worth the reading. Clears everything up!

Can I just ask please....... what do you teach?

Business...as in "None of your business."

Is that clear enough?

Not too polite talking like this, isnt it?

I think you're missing the point. I've no problem obtaining a WP, I was questioning article 4 of decree 46. We can easily work our way round it however it seems a strange article.

Reason joined on the 14th March.

I will continue to pay 1 million vnd for a WP every three years and $100 for the residence card, I don't find it a burden.

Harmonie wrote:

Not too polite talking like this, isnt it?

No. But butting in like you were our mom is impolite, indeed!  Don't you have better things to do?  Who do you think we are, children?

Geee...  Let's move on!

Halfway wrote:

I have always dealt directly with the offices concerned re. WPs, residence cards, driving licences etc and I have never had to bribe anyone. I have never had to pay off any official whatsoever.

I would also add that I have never used an agent. This seems to be where all the extra alleged bribes go through and all the dodgy information comes from.

I too have gotten my ways here on my own, for the most parts.

However, I do not recommend that approach to others, especially if they are of other nationalities or not as familiar with the Vietnamese language and culture.  It is just too time-consuming and often frustrating.  I believe that one is much better-served hooking up with an adept Vietnamese and let him/her do his/her magics, when it comes to dealing with the local bureacracy.

Why directly deal with those who have agendas against you when, only for a few bucks more, you get the same things from the comforts of your home?

Howie

Government agencies are free, efficient and more than obliging. Keep your paperwork in order and avoid the spivs at all costs.

That's all I can chip in with.

Ps. Are you people native speakers? "Magics", then a list of subjects a mile long in what has obviously been a major part of Mark's life.

Reason wrote:

Government agencies are free, efficient and more than obliging.

Stop it!  You are going to kill me with laughter. 

Howie

I see you answered the above question, you are not a native speaker. Even If Reason was laughing, I don't see how someone could kill you with laughter. I think you are looking to use the expression "killing myself laughing" in some form or other.

Good luck and stay happy!

Halfway wrote:

you are not a native speaker

Such comics...  I was talking about my own laughter, as in you are so "funny" you are going to make me laugh more than I should!!! 

Perhaps, you have been out here too long, or you might have been too caught up with the English teaching gig here.  But, the term "native speaker" doesn't mean jack to many of us, particularly this little expat.  Does it entail that you speak better English than me?  Good luck!  Or, does that mean you are better educated, more articulate?  Not by far!!!  Not when you have to come all the way out here and work for such meager pays.  Don't get me started.

Get a grip of yourself and get off that high horse of yours, man; before you fall and hurt you little A$$.

Howie

My "meager pays" comes in around 50% higher than my professional salary (I assume you are referring to an insufficient salary)when I was a practising architect in the UK. This was before I started out on a completely different road in business for myself as a trader.

My business is fine thank you and qualified teaching associates of mine here seem to have more than an adequate sufficiency to get them by.

Halfway wrote:

My "meager pays" comes in around 50% higher than my professional salary (I assume you are referring to an insufficient salary)when I was a practising architect in the UK.

Ordinarily, I would have had a field day with this form of logic.  But, I am just going to stop here.  I have other things to do.  Plus, allowing the hot air to get into your head is your prerogative...  Do whatever pains your wagon red.

Paints

A bit excited tonight Mark.

Teacher Mark wrote:

....

2.)  I can assure you that I'm a native speaker.  I took a test at a local university in 2005 that placed my verbal and written abilities at +17 (the equivalent of 17 years of schooling). That doesn't mean that I can teach. Luckily, I have a number of attributes that have made me a good teacher here in Vietnam, including my abilities with the English language.
......

same, same me . Many of those years, I did repeat at least twice, makes me effective 24 years of school and still feeling like 17 .

Well Mark since were being picky today Howie's user name is Wild_1, please stand corrected.

Rick

may have came

Stand corrected again kid!

I can see why you had your English checked out...... it's a big thing with native speakers, we have it did all the time.

(see if you can spot that one Teacher)

Hint for young players: yours doesn't need the apostrophe as the possessive is already stated.

Your as smart as a 20w bulb!

(see if you can spot that one Teacher)

Teacher Mark wrote:

The money certainly isn't an issue with me either, just like paying taxes on my wages doesn't bother me  The problem I have is that teachers are held under the thumb of the school that is sponsoring them for their temporary residency card.

Having a national license would be so much easier and they'd make more money, more than likely.  I'd pay about $500 to $1000 a year to be able to teach anywhere in the country, without having to do the whole process again in the new locale.

If you would be legally working AND thr income for English teachers would be only 1/2 as high, as very often here advertised, you would pay a multiple of that, you mention on a single working place, where you are working.

docwood wrote:

It's very true that we Native Speakers do make common mistakes such as the mixed up between "Their" and "There", "Your" and "You're", and a whole bunch of other incorrect Past Paticiples, like "I could have drank", or "I could have drove" or "Do" and "Does" etc . . .  I see this in email messages and casual conversation of my close friends and best friends and colleagues and bosses, even newspaper writers etc . . . .  I think it's because most of us are polite and willing to overlook these "Small" things and therefore the "wrongs" evolved and became an acceptable norm in our North American Culture.

I take your point regarding spoken English.

Actually writing it and claiming English teacher status is ridiculous. Typos are typos but some of the things I've read would never get past elementary school scrutiny (as I believe was the last full-time education many of these 'teachers' completed)

Teacher Mark,

Thanks for the kind words.  You are right:  I came to the US when I was very little and held my English professor in very high esteems.  Even after some 15 years later, she and I are still the best of friends.

But, despite my proficiency in English, like you had said, it does not mean that I could and should teach English.  I just do some free tutorings to the local college students; and that is all.

I really admire those of you who come all the way out here to teach these folks--some of the more timid people I have seen around the world, and for fractions of what you could easily earn back home.

At the same time, I loathe those that can't quite hack it back home but coming out here, amid the higher esteems bestowed upon the teaching profession by the Vietnamese, and think that they can run-amok.  It is totally uncalled for...

The same goes to those little commies who, with a little English, now think that they can pass themselves off as expats and begin to spread their party's props.  That is very foolish!  For crying out loud, the wagon is burning, little ones!!!  Most of your cadres are long gone already...

As for Docwood, with all due respect to you Sir, when you know that people make grammatical mistakes, then why must you glorify them, highlighting them?  Aren't they the reasons that none of us can walk on water or why they make erasers or the "Backspace" buttons? 

Don't get me wrong; I am not encouraging grammatical misuse.  I do go back an edit my posts every now and then.  But, this is an internet forum; and we are thousands of miles from home, surrounded by institutions and individuals with axes to grind...

Good day to all.
Howie

Here's a suggestion Howie: keep it short!

I do realise this is not an ESL or ELT forum. Your spoken English may be okay, however trying to read your written English is torture.

Watching you going fifteen rounds with the English language is just too long. Three would suffice for the slaughtering you inflict.

As for you having a field day with logic, not possible, you don't have the tools.

Halfway wrote:

keep it short!

What is the matter?  Only learned to speak, not to read?  It has gotten way too difficult for you, hey???

Your spoken English may be okay, however trying to read your written English is torture.

When did you ever, or will ever, get the pleasure of listening to my speech???  Reading, the simplest form of communication, has already gotten TOO hard for you.

Perhaps, it is time for you to get off the high horse that you had put yourself on and start taking reading comprehension courses, some writings too, while you are at it.

As for you having a field day with logic, not possible, you don't have the tools.

Yes.  How pity of me, having no tool left to take on a lackey...?

Wait!  Will you be kind enough to lend me the two sledgehammers I let slip down your throat???

Budman1 wrote:

Well Mark since were being picky today Howie's user name is Wild_1, please stand corrected.

Rick

Hey,
Can someone spot this one?

Is anyone getting tired of this petty bickering?

I'm not. The boxing match I watched the other night on Showtime wasn't that great. This one is better:D

@ MIA2013 : The match has ended a year ago though. Old thread

Armand,

Why is my buddy's name blackened out?  Please don't tell me he is banned from the forum?  I was just warming up to the guy, The Mighty English Teacher...

Not banned: Asked to leave ..

You guys are sooo polite!  I was just beginning to like the guy...

You also yanked that real estate guy's thread too, didn't you?  Man, that was one of the more impressive piece of writing I have seen on here...