Passengers denied entry into Philippines stuck at NAIA

thedfords said. . . . Enzyte Bob. Obviously you've never traveled with a philippina.   If there is any sign that a person will not be allowed in the destination country, that person will not be allowed on the flight.  Whoever provides your information is lacking.  The ticket agent doesn't just check the ticket on international flights.  Your visa and passport must be acceptable along with the receipt for the airport tax.  The airline is held responsible and must fly that person back to their country of origin if a mistake like this is made and I'm certain that ticket agent will be terminated.   Hopefully you will know what you're talking about the next time you spout off without knowing what you're talking about.

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Obviously I am married to a Filipina, for 17 years. (Traveled from LA to Manila her)

At check in at at PAL (LAX) I only showed presented my passport for ID and the ticket bought from PAL online.

You said: "If there is any sign that a person will not be allowed in the destination country, that person will not be allowed on the flight."

What sign is the ticket agent looking for? Later you said you are certain the ticket agent will be terminated.

Furthermore the ticket agent does not need to check me for a visa because I don't need a visa to enter the Philippines.

You said: "Hopefully you will know what your talking about the next time you sprout off without knowing what your talking about."

(I think you were talking about yourself.)

@danfinnyes it is the obligation of the airline to return them to their point of departure, over 3000 is not that many, over 1200 Filipinos are off loaded every day, the Philippines is one of the few countries that do not let their citizens travel freely, Cuba and N Korea are some of the others

@jozicathe only information the Philippines can get is FBI, local state records are not available, most crimes are not reported to the FBI, you can be convicted of a crime in any state and it not be on file with the FBI, that is a reason for those allowed to enter

@daytradersteve13you don't have to be a criminal to not be allowed in the Philippines, lot of tourist are not allowed to enter the Philippines because of their attitude at immigration

@danfinnit is just as easy to enter the Philippines as it is the United States, thousands are here illegally maybe millions with so many islands and boats it is easy to enter

    @jozicathe only information the Philippines can get is FBI, local state records are not available, most crimes are not reported to the FBI, you can be convicted of a crime in any state and it not be on file with the FBI, that is a reason for those allowed to enter        -@Okieboy

Yes as a pommy Brit I've watched enough US TV shows (just loved those PI movies from the 70's) to know that the Feds only become involved when a crime involves multi States (please do correct me if I'm wrong). Which begs the question if a criminal has committed a crime within his State of residence why would the FBI have a record unless they specifically requested this information? Surely there must be a national database of all US criminals for a whole range of reasons not least Immigration. Who is responsible for this database?

        @Aiden Does it matter?With PH immigration having "good access" to such data, and (perhaps incorrectly) assuming the people denied entry held valid visas, then why were the visa applications approved? If the traveller's passport raised a red flag at the immigration desk upon arrival, how is it that that same red flag wasn't raised when the visa application was being reviewed/processed?

-@Aidan in HCMC

Because most visas to the Philippines are visas on arrival and the applicant isn't screened until they either enter their information on the eTravel site a couple of days or hours before they fly or actually arrive at the immigration counter. Either way no decision is made beforehand unlike Vietnam. Immigration obviously does have access to people's criminal past especially if it was a crime involving "moral turpitude" like sex crimes. Not sure how they get the information though.

-@Lotus Eater

Surely there must be a national database of all US criminals for a whole range of reasons not least Immigration. Who is responsible for this database?
   
-@Lotus Eater

https://irp.fas.org/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm

        @danfinn

Generally, all information concerning arrests and convictions are public domain.       -@vanvalenmikevan
   

True but the public access is scattered over 1000s of online court sites. The public doesn't have access to the central NCIC criminal database.

    Lol. My wife was denied access to the flight because her greencard had expired while we were in the Philippines.   I never thought they would deny access for that.  As you can imagine I was not happy.   I thought all they needed was passport with six months...  This was 30 years ago.
   

    -@thedfords

The greencard is the visa basically and you can't fly to a country with an expired visa.

We hear very little of such situations here in Vietnam.
   
    -@Aidan in HCMC

Aaaaaand, as though right on cue to prove me wrong, we get this from our local e-rag, VN Express Int'l.

Over 200 foreign visitors denied entry into Vietnam in Jan-Feb(Link)

snippets

"The visitors were found carrying fake passports or not holding valid visas, according to the Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam (CAAV)."

And with respect to an airline's responsibility in such a situation...

"CAAV said the increased number of passengers denied entry has caused damage to airlines which are mainly responsible for sending them back to the place of departure."

(emphasis mine)

@Aidan

Simply glad I led a crime free life,,,,, well mostly.

Things seem to have changed with visas and scrutiny. 12 years ago I simply applied for a 12 month multi entry visa to the Philippines and from memory all done online, Don't remember police checks etc.

For 10/11 years I simply rock up on a 30 day visa, nary an issue coming, going or extending my visitor visa though I do remember getting an ECC 12 months ago required a local police check.

I think the point here is as others say if you have committed crimes of moral turpitude and have been charged but not necessarily convicted or maybe so the traveler is well aware as it seems is the Philippines and good to hear Aidan that Vietnam and probably many countries are getting onboard and stopping at the border.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

    We hear very little of such situations here in Vietnam.        -@Aidan in HCMC

Aaaaaand, as though right on cue to prove me wrong, we get this from our local e-rag, VN Express Int'l.
Over 200 foreign visitors denied entry into Vietnam in Jan-Feb(Link)

snippets
"The visitors were found carrying /!\ I AM A STUPID SPAMMER /!\ or not holding valid visas, according to the Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam (CAAV)."

And with respect to an airline's responsibility in such a situation...

"CAAV said the increased number of passengers denied entry has caused damage to airlines which are mainly responsible for sending them back to the place of departure."
(emphasis mine)
   

    -@Aidan in HCMC

When we were on Norwegian Jewel cruise ship in 2018 an officer from Vietnam boarded the ship, we all had to fill out visa applications, stating which days we would be in which ports.  We handed in our passports, were given a photo copy because picture id was required to get back on the ship.  Norwegian handled it all, we went down by deck number.  Did not matter if you claimed you would not be getting off the ship, still needed to apply.  Everyone was charged a service fee on their unboard accounts.  My understanding is now days passengers are required to get a visa for Vietnam before boarding the ship in Hong Kong or Singapore.

              Brazil decided that Americans now need tourist visas since Brazilians need tourist visas to visit the USA.  This just started recently, or perhaps it starts in April.  Again, visas are required even if you are not getting off the ship in any Brazil ports.  Of course a visa is required to start or end a cruise in Brazil.

             It is also my understanding that Thailand and Cambodia will also be requiring tourist visas for Americans on cruise ships.

I doubt the Philippines has access to the FBI data base, wanted criminals are caught by FBI in the Philippines with help from PNP but it is after they have entered the country, they know when your passport is scanned you have entered the Philippines

@Lotus Eater. No most records are state records, the FBI has access to those records but they do not allow foreign Governments access, the Philippines would be the last country you would want to have access to FBI data base, as corrupt as the DOI, PNP are

@Enzyte Bob. Usually your visa is check when you go to board a flight if it is one way ticket

    I doubt the Philippines has access to the FBI data base, wanted criminals are caught by FBI in the Philippines with help from PNP but it is after they have entered the country, they know when your passport is scanned you have entered the Philippines
   

    -@Okieboy

I would agree that the FBI does not allow database access to agencies outside the US. But I do think the FBI makes public certain information, certainly their 10 most wanted list for example, and probably their terroris lists and sex offenders lists. Information from such lists could be added as data to BI computers. No, of course I do not know if that is absolutely true but then, how does BI know that some pedo trying to enter is on a US pervert list. It happens all the time. I don't know the IT involved but BI is getting the information at immigration entry points. I do believe governments can and do trade information like that without giving foreign governments actual User IDd and passwords to sign-on to their govt databases.