Ha Noi Civil Aviation Authoritfines airline for dancers in bikini-tops

Hi Jaitch!

The source of this article please?

Regards
Armand

Armand, it was widely reported on many news websites, both here in Vietnam and abroad.
BBC, TuiTreNews etc....

Not quite sure of the relevance to being an expat it has though...

I don't understand why the VN authorities are making a big fuss over this incident. Can't blame the airline for trying to drum up business with such a UNIQUE Marketing technique. As I mentioned in a previous thread. There will always be certain "side effects" from transitioning into a Free Market Economy.

Armand,
I've seen a few stories about the incident here in the US.  Here is a link to it from YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … eRTXKQns7k

Amberlulu:
The problem is that the government owns VN Airlines and many of the Civil Aviation Authority are ex-VN Airlines.

VN Airlines even has an interest in the aviation fuel business which gives them control.

The Civil Aviation Authority even sticks it's nose into aircraft logo's, paint jobs, and brochures along with advertising. Almost every complaint filed by VN Airlines against other carriers is upheld.

They barely comply with WTO in this.

this decision has nothing to do with politic, I believe mostly because the media made a big argument about should or should not allow that kind of "performance" on the plane. And since most of the ideas voted "Not", so the decision was made.
It is more about public perception, people's mind here are different from those in other countries, say America....

Sevencoloriris, I tend to agree with you on this one. I know Vietnam is a very conservative country, and probably many Vietnamese don't like that kind of public display. As an American, I really appreciate it, and I think Viet Jet is just trying to appeal to foreigners like me. For sure, I would never see a performance like that on an American airline, because there are very few American flight attendants with the looks to perform like that.

Saigonmonkey,

Yeah, I myself would vote "No" if they ever ask me whether or not a bikini performance is allowed on the plane. Simply because it is not a place where girls with bikini running around and posing. They said (those who allowed this kind of thing) that many other airlines  in the West (how specific information) already did this before and it is totally okay...Well, I am not against women wearing bikini, I just think they should wear in right places...and we don't have to copy whatever other countries did or have done before....anyway, I believe that was not meant to be a regular performance by that airline's attendants, a promo show for a beauty contest that is taking place it is, I must say...

Jaitch: "They barely comply with WTO in this."

Yes, I'm aware that VN Airlines is state owned, so in that sense they do have an unfair advantage.  If they want to break into the American market (ie start direct flights to the USA) they must be first be approved by the FAA and ICAO. That means start adopting/complying with WTO rules.

sevencoloriris wrote:

this decision has nothing to do with politic, I believe mostly because the media made a big argument about should or should not allow that kind of "performance" on the plane. And since most of the ideas voted "Not", so the decision was made.
It is more about public perception, people's mind here are different from those in other countries, say America....

Well said. 

You'd probably never see that sort of promotion in America (on an airline), as was mentioned in a previous post.  If the US continues to make enemies at this pace, we'll all be flying in bikinis and swimming trunks, because that would make it more difficult to hide a weapon!

You'd probably never see that sort of promotion in America (on an airline), as was mentioned in a previous post. If the US continues to make enemies at this pace, we'll all be flying in bikinis and swimming trunks, because that would make it more difficult to hide a weapon!

Hey, Truck Driver Mark. What the heck are you talking about man? I don't know how that sentence fits into current topic of the Viet Air fine. Wake up man!!

Ha ha...I rather find Mark's line funny... he is just joking about the reality...lol...ha ha...well, who knows, it can be the future someday according some points of view...I like the way he thinks...lol....

@7coloriris:"...this decision has nothing to do with politic."

**It is always politics when the Gov't gets involved.
Be careful with false praises from Trucker Driver Mark. I think he is only trying to score a date.

amberlulu wrote:

If they want to break into the American market (ie start direct flights to the USA) they must be first be approved by the FAA and ICAO. That means start adopting/complying with WTO rules.

The FAA just satisfies itself as to airline safety and equipment; ICAO is a United Nations body.

What has happened in the past, domestically, has been very poor for new airlines.

The VN civil aviation goes well beyond operations and flying. What logo is painted on the outside or what advertising says is not under the same type of agency in other countries.

VN has western Europe pretty well covered, the flux in the US market with mergers and bankruptcies has delayed their plans.

saigonmonkey wrote:

I tend to agree with you on this one. I know Vietnam is a very conservative country, and probably many Vietnamese don't like that kind of public display. ...

I keep on hearing about this "very conservative country? and apart from Ha Noi, it's not the VietNam I see these days.

Decades ago, yes,  possibly but not today. Cambodia is more conservative,IMO.

Malaysia has similar reputation, but that goes out the window when you fly AirAsia.

Jaitch wrote:

saigonmonkey wrote:

I tend to agree with you on this one. I know Vietnam is a very conservative country, and probably many Vietnamese don't like that kind of public display. ...

I keep on hearing about this "very conservative country? and apart from Ha Noi, it's not the VietNam I see these days....

I assume, there are plenty pf both kinds. Would not not really mind, if the chicks where a bit  less shy. Can be good for the eyes.

Jaitch, with regard to conservativity/shyness of the Veitnamese people, women in particular - I'm not talking about the area on Hai Ba Trung street, between Nguyen Sieu and Mac Thi Buoi streets. Go to the beaches of Vung Tau, Mui Ne, and Nha Trang, and you'll see very few Vietnamese ladies in two-piece bikinis out on the beach. The ones who do wear them most likely have foreign husbands/boyfriends. Most of them are wearing shorts (or long pants rolled up to the knees) and t-shirts. Vietnam may be less conservative than other Southeast Asian countries, but my point is, I understand why many people here would have a problem with the display onboard the airplane. And I appreciate your posting this story for our discussion.

amberlulu wrote:

@7coloriris:"...this decision has nothing to do with politic."

**It is always politics when the Gov't gets involved.
Be careful with false praises from Trucker Driver Mark. I think he is only trying to score a date.

Well...I think the Gov just did what it has to...government everywhere has its own functions and this is just one of many things that Vietnamese one did in response to public's reaction...I hate many policies made by Vietnamese Gov but for this one, I agree with them. I wonder in this world how many people like their own government? not all 7 billions for sure... but it has to do what it had to do even though few people may not like it.
Regarding public owned enterprises, the number of this type of companies or the power they have in hand in some other countries is not small at all, Japan is an example. People hate politics, people hate Gov, but they don't remember that without these things, the society can't function right. Just think, if the Gov in Vietnam has total control over that airline and things here are absolutely centralized, the idea of a bikini performance need to get approved before being showed and the media would not have an argument over what happened. If all people (or majority) are okay with the bikini show on the air plane, I think there is nothing for the Gov to do. That is a very simple act that any Gov in the world would implement-responding to what public says. It just does its job, not trying to show power or gain power from anyone else.
And since the company is state owned, of course the Gov can decide the logo, name and things like that, because it is the owner. Are you okay with letting your neighbor names your own kids?

Before, the cheap flight was run by Jet Star which is not state owned...and customers usually had problem with late or delayed flight. Since the day it changed to Viet Jet Air, things got better. My friends used this service and I used it sometimes. And everything is good. I have never experienced any late or delayed flight by Viet Jet Air...Maybe I was lucky...so why have to think bad about a service just because it is state owned? Well, state owned is not bad..as long as it gives good things.

Well... about the "false praise" you mentioned. I don't think Mark has any other intention beside adding his idea into our discussion. Since we are from different cities, we hardly can meet each other...lol...and even if that is the case, that Mark wants to score a date...so what's wrong with that????

The red and yellow tops would most certainly demonstrate a genuine passion in support of Vietnam as a people and a proud nation. (Just my two cents worth).

"....That is a very simple act that any Gov in the world would implement-responding to what public says. It just does its job, not trying to show power or gain power from anyone else."

**Oh really? Most people in VN don't like the mandatory helmet law. Why doesn't the GOV implement to what the public says? I dare you to drive your scooter downtown without a helmet.

"so why have to think bad about a service just because it is state owned? Well, state owned is not bad..as long as it gives good things"

**One of your relatives probably work for a state owned company? I don't think you would be saying the same thing if you owned or worked for a PRIVATE company who had to compete against a state owned company that receives funding from tax payers. You would not like the unfair advantage.

Is it mandatory to wear helmet when you ride motorbike in the States, Japan, Korea or any other "developed countries"?
you tell me....and people here, the majority of course, think it is necessary to wear the helmet, I do agree with that law...give me an evidence that the "public" said they are against that law...well, I can give plenty of links to show how people appreciate that..

You don't have to challenge me to ride my motorbike downtown without helmet because I won't do it, for my own sake...for my safety...those who are against this law are really stupid...


And no, nobody in my family works for stated owned company. My bro runs his own...and I've never experienced working in a state owned company... so I don't speak for the Gov on that stand of a person who receives benefits from it...I just speak from what I think is right...and as I said, I hate many things the Gov has done, but for this one, I agree with them... I am not blind by interests or hatred...I am not biased...sorry for disappointing you

sevencoloriris wrote:

Is it mandatory to wear helmet when you ride motorbike in the States, Japan, Korea or any other "developed countries"?
you tell me....and people here, the majority of course, think it is necessary to wear the helmet, I do agree with that law...give me an evidence that the "public" said they are against that law...well, I can give plenty of links to show how people appreciate that..
Well, you don't have to challenge me to ride my motorbike downtown without helmet because I won't do it, for my own sake...for my safety...those who are against this law are really stupid...


And no, nobody in my family works for stated owned company. My bro runs his own...and I've never experienced working in a state owned company... so I don't speak for the Gov on that stand of a person who receives benefits from it...I just speak from what I think is right...and as I said, I hate many things the Gov has done, but for this one, I agree with them... I am not blind by interests or hatred...I am not biased...sorry for disappointing you

**I thought we are talking about VN? Who cares about helmet rules in the states, Japan, Korea. But if you must know. In the USA helmet laws vary from state to state. There are 50 States and they are NOT all the same. As for Japan and Korea...you'll have to look that up. I don't live there.

Sister Sevencolor I am not dissappointed in your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion. I can care less if you agree or disagree with my opinions. The important thing is that you can think and stick up for yourself. Regards

I am still talking about VN, that first clause wasn't main idea of what I said, though.
I am glad that you weren't disappointed when the assumptions you made for me ain't true...yeah, we all have our personal views...and here are place where those views are reflected and contrasted..that is what a forum meant to be...If I dare to give my idea, I have to accept that it will be challenged by somebody...gladly that you have joined the debate. It is interesting to know what you think.
Cheers,

amberlulu wrote:

"....That is a very simple act that any Gov in the world would implement-responding to what public says. It just does its job, not trying to show power or gain power from anyone else."

**Oh really? Most people in VN don't like the mandatory helmet law. Why doesn't the GOV implement to what the public says? I dare you to drive your scooter downtown without a helmet.

"so why have to think bad about a service just because it is state owned? Well, state owned is not bad..as long as it gives good things"

**One of your relatives probably work for a state owned company? I don't think you would be saying the same thing if you owned or worked for a PRIVATE company who had to compete against a state owned company that receives funding from tax payers. You would not like the unfair advantage.

I like the helmet law, its good, but if i had a choice, I would take better the 4 dancers than a single helmet.

"I like the helmet law, its good, but if i had a choice, I would take better the 4 dancers than a single helmet."

** @Mr. Bean: I know the helmet law is a good thing, but based on your picture, it may be too late for you! I don't think a helmet will do you any good at this point amigo.