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3lckr

It is very sad to read that people go back and give up on their initial dreams. Mostly, it is because of wrong expectations, reading wrong material, asking wrong people maybe... Let me break it down for all newcomers.
You are going to:
1).LATIN AMERICA, meaning latin culture. Latin culture is
- a loud culture. Everything is done here louder that you might consider comfortable in US or most part of Europe: talking to each other and on the phone, music, parties, car horn honking, dogs barking etc; you might think that they are ignorant, they don't think so;
- a culture with a very small personal space. Meaning people will be sticking to you in lines and public transportation; touching/pushing you when passing by, etc etc to the level that you might find uncomfortable; you might think that they are impolite, they don't think so;
- a culture that speaks ONLY Spanish! Meaning that although the locals will be looking at you as you were gods and try to cough up a couple of English words, do NOT expect to communicate with anybody in English on the streets;
- a macho culture. Meaning people are extremely proud and not taking critisizm all that well. Proud to the point that to an average North American could seem like a complete impoliteness: proudly never let NOBODY pass (or hold a door for), be you a woman, a child, a criple etc... and when they do, they do it like a huuuuuge favor... Women "worship" is in their blood, so please disregard those occasional whistles, "wow's" or just staring looks at your wife... be like them: proud that someone else is still looking at her old ass;
If you think you had some spanish speaking neighbours in NY or Miami, never mind: you don't know nothing about them. The point is that your neighbours there were trying to be like you, here you're gonna have to be like them.
That's how most of them are, that's how their parents and grand and gran-grand parents have been.
2).THIRD WORLD, meaning EXTREME POVERTY. If you think you've seen some poor souls on, say SS in US, you have seen nothing.
Poverty means:
- beggers EVERYWHERE! Everybody begs: from completely criple to completely normal. Here they beg like you owe them. A word of advice: you won't be able to escape the beggers, sometimes it is unsafe not to give, and a nickel that's all most would want, so have some nickels with you all the time;
- relatively low security anywhere, which is amplified by a useless police force. I'll post a separate topic about security here;
- low level of education. From there, a whole bunch of issues comes out on a level unimaginable for the first world, for example: not very sophisticated clothes and manners, some not very clean or taken care of, and others...;
- believe in leftist/socialist ideas, being rich is bad, taking from the rich and spreading among the poor solves everything... stuff like this;
- I'd say 80% of the population survives on a budget of your Florida summer monthly electric bill. They are not cheap, and, actually pretty generous, but $20 is a huge amount of money for them;
You can talk about the subject for days and days, but I hope that you got the picture, and if you didn't, here it is: here, you have to stop being what you have been "there", and start being "new" you: you "the Ecuadorian", and you have to do it right away, without waisting a couple of years trying to change something here. Getting angry at them won't help. You can talk for days and days about how they should change to live better... Ha-ha... like you came here to change something... everybody is here for their own reasons: warmer climate, cheaper living, screwed up government etc etc, I've never heard that someone came here because they just loooove Ecuadorians. But, there is no ideal place in the world, is there?
Let me give you a small example of how different things might be. You all know of course the OK sign, when you make a small circle touching your thumb and point finger, shake it and say "OK!!!" on a very positive note. You probably know that in Brazil that means "assh..le". If you go around Brazil showing this OK of yours left and right, you won't win any friends and, most likely, get your ass kicked sooner or later. Then you leave the country with your ass still sore cursing them for not being polite, understanding etc etc... Got my point?
Well, I hope it was pretty neutral and informative.
Looking forward to your questions.

Yud

Hello mango7 :)

Thank you for this contribution!

Best Regards!

montyloree

Interesting... I guess that's why it would be good to go and experience the culture for a few months before deciding to make the move...

I am interested to know what a culture would be like that isn't full of consumerism and the economy pumped up by debt....

Thanks for the details of how their culture is different!!

3lckr

You are very welcome. I developed this little theory of mine because for the last two years I was thinking myself: whay can't it just be a cheaper version of US?.. Turns out, it is a cheaper version, but the cheapness comes with a different type of tag.
Apparently not everybody is willing/able to afford it.
Unfortunately, consumerism and national debt are signs of progress. Ecuador is third world only on paper. It is very modern and consumer habits of its middle and upper class mimic the ones of the Americans. You'd have to get away from the big cities or maybe even further away from Ecuador to experience that.
Good luck!

Lehnertm1980

I appreciated this very helpful post.  I have been to Ecuador only twice.  And each was an incredibly frustrating experience (and not JUST because of my fiance!) - I had difficulty figuring out the rental market (to get unfurnished or not) and had hoped to pay a little more to have furniture, electricity and hot water included.  Shortly thereafter my sweet love was HIGHLY irritated with me, and my need to be a "rich american"!  (Argh...)

Now admittedly, an adjustment needs to be made and I do realize that it is my job to change.  On the other hand, change is easier said than done.  Americans function largely on convenience and this lack of convenience is just one of the easier pitfalls to get used to.  Others are harder.

If you are planning to move to Ecuador, I definitely recommend a visit first.  Culture shock can be pretty extreme in Ecuador, and a few times I was finding the need to escape from my significant other and freak out (or cry, depending on my stress level!) to realize that I was having problems that there are simply not solutions for.  The feeling that I don't fit there was apparent, and this is NOT like me at all.  I have the feeling I could be dropped into any situain and thrive, but Ecuador has challenged this assumption.  On the plus side, it's somewhat temporary.  The next trip will be three months, and I will be moving down there to navigate the marriage process with an Ecuatorian national.  (If anyone has experience with this process - good OR bad - please let me know!)

Anyway, just wanted to respond to your posting, and maybe meet a friend or two (future friends?) who may have gone through this ordeal and have some advice (or just want to introduce themselves or whatever).  Thanks!

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