Expats Play Sneaky on Traffic Cops
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Expats Play Sneaky on Traffic Cops
Published: 09/19/2010 by ptg
Whether its the traffic officers who are letting foreigners get away with breaking traffic rules, or if its the foreigners themselves who have gotten smart on them ironically by playing dumb we never know. But its never a surprise to see plenty of non-locals driving around Vietnams streets in motorbikes. The country had become an increasingly popular expat destination in recent years and is recognized as a safe place for foreigners to live and work. Expats are attracted by the nice weather, low cost of living, lively culture and the steady improvements. On top of that, finding your way around isnt at all that hard as many are so willing to help. But with the ease of getting a Vietnamese drivers license, one can enjoy more freedom in circling the maze of streets, especially in a big city like HCMC.
Anyone who is spotted driving around without a helmet or in the wrong lane naturally gets pulled over. By observation, foreigners seems to get away quicker than locals as they can always come up with more excuses. They can either pretend not to understand Vietnamese, or they are not aware of the rules. But mind you, their list of tricks, as many cops (who dont buy the sneaky moves) want to call it, could get really long.
Take RJ, for instance. He is an American teacher living Ho Chi Minh City. RJ talks of being pulled over by traffic police almost every weekend for driving in the wrong lane. He stops and waits on the sidewalk, alright, but once the officer recognizes he is a foreigner, he gets a friendly wave instead of a violation ticket.
But you see, that is just one of the many episodes that happen day after day and week after week in the busy streets of Vietnam. RJs story is just a tiny reflection of a larger game of cat-and-mouse played by expats to prevent traffic police from stopping and fining them for breaking road rules. But some could go a little overboard than just playing sneaky. Others, let us say, could be plain stubborn. Some expats claim to have simply ignored a police officer who is trying to stop him. When chased by the patrolman, he just kept driving. Was he in big trouble? Well, the frustrated officer gave up coming after him and obviously, the foreigner got his way.
But are all traffic officers really letting all these happen under their noses? Senior Lieutenant-Colonel Vo Van Van, vice head of the HCMC Traffic Police Division, said police have fined a total of about 600 foreigners for violating traffic law since 2008 in HCMC. Hmm.. not bad. But obviously, they can do better. They pretty know how much a large number of foreigners visit or stay in the country, thus, there should be an effort to resolve this never-ending dilemma. The Lt.Col. believes it is important to set up a taskforce that is able to speak foreign languages to handle violations of traffic law by foreigners. They should also get more training in terms of handling these scenarios and be aware of the laws involved for the matter. For instance, traffic police are not allowed to keep a drivers passport. However, they can confiscate other papers issued by Vietnamese agencies like visas, residence registrations or the motorbike of the violator to ensure that the fines are enforced.
Most of the violations expats get themselves involved in include driving in the wrong lane, no helmet and no drivers license. Though many foreigners do not admit on disregarding Vietnamese law, observations and the officers experiences tell a different story. Hence, there should also be an effort to encourage the expats to get a drivers license to allow them to drive legally. There are certain requirements including age (must be 18+ years old), a Vietnamese visa (with the proper validity), documentations (includes application form stamped at one of these offices: embassy, consulate, government office, private company and representative office), a copy of ones passport and permanent residence card, photos and a fee of VND170,000.
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I'm in my third year and I've been pulled over twice. My mentor, for lack of a better term, had advised me to ignore them if I was singled out. That advice doesn't seem wise, so I always pull over.
The first time I was pulled over, it was for running a red light. It was late and I was one of the only riders on the road, so ignoring them wasn't an option, anyway. He walked up to my bike and told me to dismount. He then threw a salute at me, which I promptly returned. "You have violated Vietnamese traffic law!" he began. "The light was green!", I pleaded. "No, no...red." came the reply "OK, I'm a bad man." I said with a smile. He then asked for my paperwork and I gave him what I had. "These are copies!" "Where's your driver's license?" I pointed to my American license. "You don't have a Vietnamese license?" asked the officer. "No, I just haven't gotten around to getting one." Then came the misdirection. "You're English is pretty good.", I said, "I thought the police here didn't speak English." "Not many of us do." I then proceeded to teach him and his cohorts:
Go ahead, make my day!
Do you know how fast you were going?
Where's the fire?
and
Up against the wall scumbag! Spread 'em wide!
As I was teaching the last one I thought to myself "I hope he doesn't use that on me now!" He didn't. He just said "You can go now." I then committed an error by saying "What, no coffee money?" Oops! The door was open, so I payed a 100K "fine" and was off and running again.
The second time I made an illegal left turn. I knew they had been there busting people the day before, but I didn't see them, so I made the turn, along with a few others. Then I saw them and heard someone yell. I looked and it was 2 drunks who had either been recruited, or had taken it upon themselves to point out violators of Vietnamese traffic laws. Much to my surprise the cops pulled me over and told me to dismount. I was saluted, again, and he then asked me where I was from. "The USA." I replied, hoping that his hometown hadn't been bombed to the stone age in the war. "You made a bad left turn." he said. "I just followed everyone else, many people were turning." He looked around a few times,m so I figure he was seeing if he could safely get a donation to the policeman's ball, without anyone seeing. "Sorry, I won't do it again officer." I said. "OK, you can go." he said, with a hint of disappointment in his voice. He didn't even ask for my ID.n As I was pulling away the drunks yelled at me again, so I stuck my tongue out at them and then laughed.
I have my license now and I do my best to obey the laws of the land, even though no one else seems to.
Fun read WA :-)
The price these days so I've heard is now 200k it went up recently. I'm still waiting to be pulled I've been lucky so far I guess. I ride pretty much within the rules of the road and I've yet to been seen as an easy target I guess.
I have my license ok, but the bikes paperwork hmmm errr "stolen"
After 3 years I have recently been pulle over 3 times. Wrong lane. Just asked for money and let go. No Licence though. Do you have any advice on Police coming to your house demanding money for you to live there or you will not be protected? Started of as a one off payment on arrival to this house. Then was to be every 6 months. Then everytime I renew my Visa. Now every month. If I don't pay I have to move to another district. Is there anything I can do about this?
Fordy7 wrote:After 3 years I have recently been pulle over 3 times. Wrong lane. Just asked for money and let go. No Licence though. Do you have any advice on Police coming to your house demanding money for you to live there or you will not be protected? Started of as a one off payment on arrival to this house. Then was to be every 6 months. Then everytime I renew my Visa. Now every month. If I don't pay I have to move to another district. Is there anything I can do about this?
Your landlord should be taking care of that. I think I'd have to move.
Yes she is dealing with it. They told her its illeagal to rent a room to a foreigner. She is Viet Q. They came today and said they will come to see if im gone next week. She told me not to worry about it to wait. She thinks they are bluffing or its just one to see what he can get.
Fordy7 wrote:Yes she is dealing with it. They told her its illeagal to rent a room to a foreigner. She is Viet Q. They came today and said they will come to see if im gone next week. She told me not to worry about it to wait. She thinks they are bluffing or its just one to see what he can get.
I don't envy you. I was invited out to have a few beers with the local "keepers of the peace". I was advised by my roommates wife not to go, that they would expect it monthly. I blew them off and then, as fate would have it, I needed the "house book" a few months later. We went there and the head honcho started raising hell. I figured I knew what the problem was and asked the wife, who was with me, what his major malfunction was. ""He says you didn't come a few months ago.," was her reply. Bottom line: it cost me 300K to get the book.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I had the crooks in Windsor, Canada hit me with a $2K ticket a few years ago (I was a truck driver and had a loose tire on my trailer). I consider myself lucky because:
1.) The tire could have came off and killed somebody. I had just picked up the trailer and did an inspection, but didn't physically lay my hands on the lug nuts. An inspection of the records showed that 3 other drivers had been under the trailer and it had traveled 4,000 miles with loose lugs.
and
2.) They wanted $4K.
Not a justification for your situation, obviously. My point is that we pay no matter where we are. If they have to take extra measures to ensure your protection, maybe there should be a law in place? I've heard of people being told they can't live in certain areas. I know my landlord pays extra and I do believe it's monthly, so this may not be out of the norm.
Wow, ok cheers for that. I met a coule of cops last year at a party. They have been asking me to go out for a few beers. I have not been able to find the time though. Which after your story I am glad I havn't had time. Lol. I will be aware of this from now on. Cheers mate.
Sorry to hear your leaving. Good luck
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