does anyone needs help ?

Hi and welcome on Expat.com asbracoach

What kind of shop do you want to open in Budapest ?

I hope other members can advise you on possibilities there.

Regards
Armand

So I'm not entirely clear who is going to work for whom for free? :-)

But seriously:
You are going to need someone with accredited "shop manager" qualifications (OKJ üzletvezető) to legally run any kind of shop.

szocske wrote:

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You are going to need someone with accredited "shop manager" qualifications (OKJ üzletvezető) to legally run any kind of shop.

Is it really true someone needs a qualification to run a shop? I find that incredible. Surely the average Tabak or bakery does not have that kind of a person. 

What kind of skills does this accreditation provide over and above common sense?

Thanks for your posts.Let's say that except money rather everyone can open a shop.Sometimes it's true, for example to run a bar or restaurant you need such a kind of special licence or some year experience...what i need is to make experience to understand the way to run a shop (fiscal books,kind of life in Budapest, what people need ....language learning)....

The little kiosk or newspaper-stand is probably not a shop on its own right, only some branch of a company, which somewhere has a person employed with the right OKJ paper.

"original producers", farmers selling their own agricultural produce do not need such qualification either.

The whole thing makes no sense, except for those raking in the money for the certification. My wife is qualified to run any kind shop or restaurant by virtue of forking over the required sum, sitting through the lectures where she learned nothing, and showing up for an exam any 5th grader should be able to pass.

These things usually come about from some politician having some stupid agenda ("There should be a law against all them filthy selling stuff/opening restaurants!") So some law gets passed, which is supposed to fulfill the agenda in some roundabout way.
Did you know know you get fined for 50.000 HUF if you reach in a trash bin and get anything out in the 8th district? (That's about what's left from a month's minimum wage after taxes, a family with this much expendable income each month after paying the bills is considered well off.) It's supposed to stop the homeless from getting food and clothes so they'll starve or freeze to death or something, I'm not sure. (There are of course perfectly sane laws against disturbing the peace or pouring out the trash, which was cited as the justification for the local law.)

But back to the mechanism:
Some other politicians with relatives and supporters to please will add some twist to the original insanity that lets them profit from it. In our case fake adult education centers popped into existence from nowhere, got awarded the privilege to hand out these OKJ certificates. They even received aid for fighting the structural unemployment, double dipping in regular people's wallets, who now need to pay them to get certified for what they have been doing all their lives. Taking such courses will of course by no means enable anyone to do the actual job, it's just that you can't get a license to operate the facility without someone with the cert on payroll.

Actually this "training to be shopkeeper" is EU wide initiative, however most of the EU countries thus far has not implemented it as consistently as Hungary. However, the spirit of EU program is that all professions should be provided training for. Whether the training provides any value, i cannot comment only that it is not really hungarian idea but eu wide concept.

Interpreting and implementing EU directives is no exception from the process I described above.
Completely ad-hoc, and most often defeating the original purpose.
Blaming the EU for stupid regulations is popular and relieves local politicians of all responsibility, even though most of the time it turns out the clusterfsck legislation is for compliance with some benign, reasonable EU recommendation, and not some carved in stone fundamental law as it is made out to be.

Most people don't understand this, even when confronted with the fact that no other EU country has any similar rule :-)

Actually i did not have opinion on the issue, just that it is inline with EU development, and the fact that not all countries have implemented something  has no relevance whether it makes sense or not. Actually i do disagree however, EU regulations are not usually stupid at all but very sensible proposals, it is very easy and populist to blame eu regulations. Different EU countries are implementing EU directives, regulations and recommendations with different pace - typically Scandinavian and new members are ahead of south european countries (and the last one is Belgium which has implemented ca 60-70 % of even compulsury directives). Enforcing them is another difference, again in North Europe they are enforced systematically whereas south not. Not following commonly agreed principles, rules or ideas is not really an achievement to be proud of either.

I also think that Hungary might have been over enthusiastic in implementing compulsary training for quite a few activities where more traditional countries have not, although the original idea and concept is pretty solid. My personal experience from doing the military service (quite a few years ago...) is that surprisingly lot of people have difficulties in even the most basic concepts....