getting permanent residency/citizenship and surviving financially

Hi

1) To have a permanent visa : you need to be married to a Filipina and you can have a permanent visa of type 13A. Or ask for a retirement visa (you can ask it if you are older than 40 years old). Between these 2 visas none are "permanent". For the citizenship, you have to live in the Philippines for 10 years and accept to lose your US nationality.

2)  A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines... In the Philippines many jobs are reserved for Filipinos. Only foreigners who have special skills not seen in the general population are allowed to apply to a job. There is a list of jobs where foreigners can apply. Most of the jobs for foreigners will be in the area of IT and BPO industry. The Filipinos with a master of psychology I know have also a degree in HR or English language and work in the BPO industry

3) For the working visa. Duterte in reinforcing the legislation because of abuse by Chinese nationals working illegally in the Philippines. So I cant answer yet this question

4) Your chance of surviving financially in PH ? It depends of your quality of adaptation.... Some expatriates need to live in the Philippines with the same lifestyle as at home. And so they need a big a salary to sustain it. Other can adapt and live a simple life, like the middleclass of the Philippines.

geolefrench wrote:

Hi

1) To have a permanent visa : you need to be married to a Filipina and you can have a permanent visa of type 13A. Or ask for a retirement visa (you can ask it if you are older than 40 years old). Between these 2 visas none are "permanent". For the citizenship, you have to live in the Philippines for 10 years and accept to lose your US nationality.

2)  A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines... In the Philippines many jobs are reserved for Filipinos. Only foreigners who have special skills not seen in the general population are allowed to apply to a job. There is a list of jobs where foreigners can apply. Most of the jobs for foreigners will be in the area of IT and BPO industry. The Filipinos with a master of psychology I know have also a degree in HR or English language and work in the BPO industry

3) For the working visa. Duterte in reinforcing the legislation because of abuse by Chinese nationals working illegally in the Philippines. So I cant answer yet this question

4) Your chance of surviving financially in PH ? It depends of your quality of adaptation.... Some expatriates need to live in the Philippines with the same lifestyle as at home. And so they need a big a salary to sustain it. Other can adapt and live a simple life, like the middleclass of the Philippines.

Can you have dual citizenship after you obtain Philippine citizenship?

Only Filipinos who lost their philippines citizenship for a foreign citizenship can reacquire their former citizenship and keep their foreign citizenship, in clear, to have dual. But a foreigner who has no filipino roots cant be dual... now in practice a French national cant lose his nationality for example... so I dont know if there are some possibilities to avoid losing its original nationality. In the text these possibilities do not exist...

Good morning.
Firstly, all skills are of great value, it's not about the man in the fight,  it's about the fight in the man. My friend the words we speak have power, to either build up or tear down.
I'm interested to acquire more information about the retirement visa, though.
Thanks!

geolefrench, thanks for the comment.  this is helpful.

"1) To have a permanent visa : you need to be married to a Filipina and you can have a permanent visa of type 13A. Or ask for a retirement visa (you can ask it if you are older than 40 years old). Between these 2 visas none are "permanent". For the citizenship, you have to live in the Philippines for 10 years and accept to lose your US nationality."

i´m not really clear on what you're saying, though.  it seems like you're saying that if i marry a filipina, i can get permanent residency, but it's not actually "permanent residency."  i don't understand.

"2)  A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines... In the Philippines many jobs are reserved for Filipinos. Only foreigners who have special skills not seen in the general population are allowed to apply to a job. There is a list of jobs where foreigners can apply. Most of the jobs for foreigners will be in the area of IT and BPO industry. The Filipinos with a master of psychology I know have also a degree in HR or English language and work in the BPO industry"

i have read that english is an official language of the philippines, but it seems that not everyone speaks english well.

what about teaching english?  can a foreigner realistically get a work visa teaching english (in private lessons) in a big city?

and can a foreigner realistically survive financially teaching english (in private lessons) in a big city?

"3) For the working visa. Duterte in reinforcing the legislation because of abuse by Chinese nationals working illegally in the Philippines. So I cant answer yet this question"

what legislation are you referring to?

thanks

Ok  up to now you can have a tourist visa and transform it later. But the new law seems to be different. It seems that you need to know what you want !

a few follow up questions:

i heard that you can teach english in the phillipines to chinese and koreans.

1. can you get a work visa for teaching english in private lessons?

2. if not, then is teaching english (in private lessons) without a work visa illegal?

3. if teaching english (in private lessons)  without a work visa is illegal, what will happen to you if you get caught by the authorities?

4. if i  married a philippino woman, could i teach english legally (in private lessons) in the phillipines?

5. if i lived in the phillipines, what are the chances that i would die or get hurt by a typhoon?

thanks

For your number 4 question : if you get married to a Filipina you will get the visa 13A . With this visa you dont need any working visa
For the typhoon  well... you can live in Sulu or Tawi Tawi islands, there are no typhoons 😁 but there is the terrorist group Abu Sayyaf😁 it is your choice 😂

thanks

hi ,
i am Chinese live in the Philippines for 10 years .would like to answer ur questions as below

1. what are my chances of getting permanent residency or citizenship in the Philippines?

A. if you already reach 35 years , you can apply SSRV here , its permanent residence visa here, and its the cheapest you can get in Asia.

2. what are my chances of getting a job in the Philippines?

A.If you can speak mandarin , that's so easy to get work here , Depends on what you like , you can easily get a job in BPO or casino with high salary

3. What are my chances of getting a work visa in the Philippines?

A.If you apply a work here and pass the probation .the Chinese owned company will do working visa which 9G FOR FREE

4. What are my chances of surviving financially in the Phillipines?

A. Philipines is full of opportunities,i think you can find a job here first , and have a big chance of making ur own business

abiczoe wrote:

hi ,
i am Chinese live in the Philippines for 10 years .would like to answer ur questions as below

1. what are my chances of getting permanent residency or citizenship in the Philippines?

A. if you already reach 35 years , you can apply SSRV here , its permanent residence visa here, and its the cheapest you can get in Asia.

2. what are my chances of getting a job in the Philippines?

A.If you can speak mandarin , that's so easy to get work here , Depends on what you like , you can easily get a job in BPO or casino with high salary

3. What are my chances of getting a work visa in the Philippines?

A.If you apply a work here and pass the probation .the Chinese owned company will do working visa which 9G FOR FREE

4. What are my chances of surviving financially in the Phillipines?

A. Philipines is full of opportunities,i think you can find a job here first , and have a big chance of making ur own business

Are you allowed to work legally with only status of SRRV?

if you have SRRV here , just need to apply AEP , so , u can legally work here .

abiczoe wrote:

hi ,
i am Chinese live in the Philippines for 10 years .would like to answer ur questions as below

1. what are my chances of getting permanent residency or citizenship in the Philippines?

A. if you already reach 35 years , you can apply SSRV here , its permanent residence visa here, and its the cheapest you can get in Asia.

2. what are my chances of getting a job in the Philippines?

A.If you can speak mandarin , that's so easy to get work here , Depends on what you like , you can easily get a job in BPO or casino with high salary

3. What are my chances of getting a work visa in the Philippines?

A.If you apply a work here and pass the probation .the Chinese owned company will do working visa which 9G FOR FREE

4. What are my chances of surviving financially in the Phillipines?

A. Philipines is full of opportunities,i think you can find a job here first , and have a big chance of making ur own business

i don't speak mandarin well, though. 

the only language i speak fluently is english

if you get the SRRV, can you just work for yourself and teach english private lessons without setting up an official business?

thanks

geolefrench wrote:

Hi

1) To have a permanent visa : you need to be married to a Filipina and you can have a permanent visa of type 13A. Or ask for a retirement visa (you can ask it if you are older than 40 years old). Between these 2 visas none are "permanent". For the citizenship, you have to live in the Philippines for 10 years and accept to lose your US nationality.

2)  A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines... In the Philippines many jobs are reserved for Filipinos. Only foreigners who have special skills not seen in the general population are allowed to apply to a job. There is a list of jobs where foreigners can apply. Most of the jobs for foreigners will be in the area of IT and BPO industry. The Filipinos with a master of psychology I know have also a degree in HR or English language and work in the BPO industry

3) For the working visa. Duterte in reinforcing the legislation because of abuse by Chinese nationals working illegally in the Philippines. So I cant answer yet this question

4) Your chance of surviving financially in PH ? It depends of your quality of adaptation.... Some expatriates need to live in the Philippines with the same lifestyle as at home. And so they need a big a salary to sustain it. Other can adapt and live a simple life, like the middleclass of the Philippines.

geolefrench, you mentioned that i could get a 13a visa if i get married.  you also mentioned that for citizenship, i have to lose my u.s. citizenship.  just to be clear, is the 13a visa the same as philippino citizenship?

do i lose my u.s. citizenship if i get the 13a visa?

and if i do get a 13a visa, can i get a job just as easily as a philippino citizen, or will i only be able to get a job if it is proven that no philippino can do the job?

how can i get philippino citizenship? 

and how likely is it that i would be able to get philippino citizenship?

thanks

Hi
No 13 A is just a visa saying your are married to a Filipina. The ACR is for 5 years. And you dont need a permit for work. It has nothing about citizenship

so if i get a 13a visa, will i be able to get a job just as easily as a philippino citizen?

thanks

Keep in mind that should you separate/divorce/annul from your spouse, your 13a will be revoked.
I believe that the rule of not being able to take a job that a Filipino can perform, still comes into play.

For the job, there are still the same restrictions. The only difference is that you dont need a permit for work

Typhoon or Terrorism, well said 

Thanks

misterinternational wrote:

hi,

i'm an abc (american born chinese). 

i have a bachelor's degree in psychology, which is a useless degree.  basically i don't have any useful skills.

i have a few questions:

1. what are my chances of getting permanent residency or citizenship in the Philippines?

2. what are my chances of getting a job in the Philippines?

3. What are my chances of getting a work visa in the Philippines?

4. What are my chances of surviving financially in the Phillipines?

thanks

Most of your questions could be answered by doing a little research online. Go to the official Philippine embassy website and click the pertinent headings.
The only way you can become a Philippine citizen is by giving up your American citizenship, period. The 13A visa allows you to get an ACR that will give you permanent residency for 5 years before you have to renew it. The card says, Permanent resident, not citizen.

ok.  thanks

according to this website:

http://www.newyorkpcg.org/the-consulate … irees-visa

for the SRRV, i see that:

"PROCEDURE IN SRRV APPLICATION
Step 1: Deposit investment requirements

All applicants must open a U.S. dollar time deposit for a term of 6 months at the PRA-Accredited Banks in the Philippines. The amounts of deposits are as follows:

US $1,500.00 for former/overseas Filipinos
US $50,000.00 for those 50 years old and above
US $75,000.00 for those 35 to 49 years"

are these numbers right?  some other websites claim that $20,000 for an SRRV smile.  other websites say that people in there 30's need to invest $50,000 u.s. dollars for an SRRV.  websites i've seen are giving differing info.

one website claims that you need to have $20,000 invested as long as you want the SRRV smile visa.

i'm not sure what to believe.

so, i'm in my mid 30's.  if i invest $75,000 u.s. dollars and remove it in 6 months, do i have to reinvest the $75,000 every time i renew the SRRV?

does the SRRV have to be renewed every year?

so if you have an SRRV, and you apply for an AEP, and you get a job, do you lose the SRRV and transition to a work permit?

thanks

Go to, srrv.com.ph, the program is spelled out pretty well.

misterinternational wrote:

according to this website:

http://www.newyorkpcg.org/the-consulate … irees-visa

The link above contains some wrong information.  Here is a link to some correct information:

https://pra.gov.ph/srrv/#qualifications

ok.  thanks. 

what are the chances for an american to get philippino citizenship?

also geolefrench mentioned that, "A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines." 
do other people agree with him - that even if i get philippino citizenship, it would be hard for me to get a job in the philippines?

thanks

misterinternational wrote:

ok.  thanks. 

what are the chances for an american to get philippino citizenship?

also geolefrench mentioned that, "A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines." 
do other people agree with him - that even if i get philippino citizenship, it would be hard for me to get a job in the philippines?

thanks

For a qualified answer on this contact someone immersed in Philippines Law who you probably won't find on an expat website. 

From what I have found you need to reside in the Philippines for 10 years before application for citizenship so your question on whether having filipino citizenship will make it easier to find a job in the  Philippines is kind of a mute point but an application would no longer necessitate having a work visa, you would just need to submit the required documents for the job application.

misterinternational wrote:

ok.  thanks. 

what are the chances for an american to get philippino citizenship?

also geolefrench mentioned that, "A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines." 
do other people agree with him - that even if i get philippino citizenship, it would be hard for me to get a job in the philippines?

thanks

Hobbit112 gave you good advice. You would have to be a permanent resident for 10 years before you would be eligible for Philippino citizenship and you would have to renounce your USA citizenship, imo, a very drastic move. Please give careful thought to any decision you make. The Philippines can be a very wonderful place to live but it can also be very unforgiving. Safety nets for foreigners don't exist.

zincity wrote:

misterinternational wrote:

ok.  thanks. 

what are the chances for an american to get philippino citizenship?

also geolefrench mentioned that, "A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines." 
do other people agree with him - that even if i get philippino citizenship, it would be hard for me to get a job in the philippines?

thanks

Hobbit112 gave you good advice. You would have to be a permanent resident for 10 years before you would be eligible for Philippino citizenship and you would have to renounce your USA citizenship, imo, a very drastic move. Please give careful thought to any decision you make. The Philippines can be a very wonderful place to live but it can also be very unforgiving. Safety nets for foreigners don't exist.

In addition you would have to demonstrate a proficiency in one of the local languages.

thanks

If I am not wrong it's not ten years...after 5 years you can apply for passport...varies on country list.one of requirement is fluency in any local language... There are other minor requirements too... I hope that helps a bit...

misterinternational wrote:

ok.  thanks. 

what are the chances for an american to get philippino citizenship?

also geolefrench mentioned that, "A big part of the Filipinos are working abroad because they can't find a job in the Philippines." 
do other people agree with him - that even if i get philippino citizenship, it would be hard for me to get a job in the philippines?

thanks

Not really because they cannot find job in the Philippines, but more like they can earn more oversea. For example, a nurse or a skilled construction worker can only earn a little in the Philippines given that they are paid by PHP, while working oversea, they get paid in USD or other currency which they send home.

Unemployment rate 6% and under employment  rate 20% in the PH. If you imagine that many nurses cant find a job in their field so they work in malls as sales lady etc. The only sector with growth is in the BPO industry.

tahraziz wrote:

If I am not wrong it's not ten years...after 5 years you can apply for passport...varies on country list.one of requirement is fluency in any local language... There are other minor requirements too... I hope that helps a bit...

Unless your originating country allows dual citizenship you must renounce your citizenship in order to become a philippine citizen. I won't swear to the 10 year time frame since I haven't researched it for several years but I do know attempting to become a citizen in order to find employment would be very lengthy and probably fruitless. Now of course, that's my opinion and the OP may pursue his own course.
All my best wishes that his journey is successful.

i looked at some other threads, and people mentioned that you have to wait 5 years to get citizenship if you are married to a philippina and 10 years if you are not married to a philippina.  although i didn't see anyone mention a success rate when applying for citizenship.

on the other threads i looked at, most people believe you have to renounce US citizenship to get philippino citizenship, but they aren't 100% sure.  i know that some americans have dual citizenship (i'm not referring to americans with philippino and american citizenship.  i just mean some americans in general have dual citizenship with other countries.)

thanks

It's billetral thing to have dual nationality. In my odd guess US has dual nationality with Philippines. People do apply for passport and didn't find any statistics on that either...

misterinternational wrote:

i looked at some other threads, and people mentioned that you have to wait 5 years to get citizenship if you are married to a philippina and 10 years if you are not married to a philippina.  although i didn't see anyone mention a success rate when applying for citizenship.

on the other threads i looked at, most people believe you have to renounce US citizenship to get philippino citizenship, but they aren't 100% sure.  i know that some americans have dual citizenship (i'm not referring to americans with philippino and american citizenship.  i just mean some americans in general have dual citizenship with other countries.)

thanks

Here are some facts, not my opinion, but facts.
No native born American can also be a citizen of another country. I know this because I got this information in person from the Philippine embassy when we were going through the 13A visa process. My wife is a citizen of both the US and the Philippines but only because she is a native born philippino and then became a naturalized US citizen. The only way she could sponsor me was by becoming a dual citizen to conform to Philippino law.
Unless you are a naturalized citizen, {not native born}, you can not become a citizen of any other country without renouncing your US citizenship.

tahraziz wrote:

It's billetral thing to have dual nationality. In my odd guess US has dual nationality with Philippines. People do apply for passport and didn't find any statistics on that either...

I'm sorry, but your post makes no sense.

OK, this is getting quite complicated when people start responding with generalities in response to specific questions.

To become a US citizen, IF YOU WERE NOT BORN ONE, you must renounce your current citizenship.  The same with a Philippines citizenship.  That does not mean you cannot reobtain your original citizenship afterward which many filipino-americans do. 

You can be born as a dual citizen.  If your parents were citizens of different countries you generally are automatically a citizen of both by birthright.  By being born in a different country sometimes gives you citizenship in that country.  You can also be a tersierary citizen by birth, parents from two countries and you being born in a third.

Each country has different laws governing citizenship so please stop throwing out generalities or examples from other countries!

ok.  thanks