overstaying

Sort it out before you travel or it might well be the shortest holiday you've ever had.

king123225 wrote:

i overstayed in brazil for health reason and back to egypt i get maximam fine of 10000 real i am planing to pay but the embassey dont allow me the veisa so i can pay when i arrive so how i can pay this penelty in order to get the visa .nowing the penelty had to be paid in personal upon arrival. if any one can help solving this matter

If you know someone in Brazil, you or he can download the GRU online and pay the fine at Banco do Brasil. He can then send you the receipt to be presented to the Brazilian Consulate with your passport and other requirements to obtain the visa.

robal

King123225
How long ago did you overstay?  When you requested a new visa, did the embassy tell you that the fact that your fine was unpaid was the reason that your application was denied?

Brazil is very suspicious of long overstays, particularly on the part of people whom it thinks might be planning to immigrate by overstaying permanently.   If your overstay was recent, then that, not the nonpayment, could be the reason you were denied.

If you can afford to pay the fine and can arrange to do it as Robal suggests,  then clearing your record is certainly a good idea.   But it still may be a year or more before the embassy considers approving another visa for you.

Great answers. Would be interested in the reponse.

Happy Holiday all!

my application dont get denied they tell me i had to pay the penelty i answered them i attend to pay in arrival as i told befor i left brazil.but the consulate said pay first.i said give me the pasport he give to me without excepting or denieng.i think i need expert lawyer to guide me throught this bcz i love women in brazil too

i came back october 14 2018.i aplied in november 2019

king123225 wrote:

my application dont get denied they tell me i had to pay the penelty i answered them i attend to pay in arrival as i told befor i left brazil.but the consulate said pay first.i said give me the pasport he give to me without excepting or denieng.i think i need expert lawyer to guide me throught this bcz i love women in brazil too

Then you were denied on the basis of your outstanding fine:  if they won't give you a visa, or refuse to consider your application, that's a denial.

In that case, your best bet is to follow Robal's advice, work with your Brazilian girlfriend to pay the fine in Brazil, and present the Embassy with proof of payment the next time you apply.

Immigration lawyers are hard to find in Brazil; it's not a popular specialty.   If your girlfriend can find you one, that can end up costing you as much as or more than the fine - and you still may end up having to pay the fine anyway.

King
Listen to the answers. You have to pay when entering. Need to find someone to pay and send receipt. Does not mean you will be allowed. PF has final say, not Embassy/consulate. Two separate entities.
If you can not get visa because you overstayed, sorry you are at the mercy of PF.
Never break the laws.

Texanbrazil wrote:

King
Listen to the answers. You have to pay when entering. Need to find someone to pay and send receipt. Does not mean you will be allowed. PF has final say, not Embassy/consulate. Two separate entities.
If you can not get visa because you overstayed, sorry you are at the mercy of PF.
Never break the laws.

Nice argument Tex. The maximum fine is R$10000. You can pay that upon or before entrance. But how about if someone overstayed like for 5 years? I haven´t seen anyone went to jail yet or sent back home  with no possibility of coming back after paying the fine. I wonder if they have already refused entry to someone where the gravity of the previous offense or contempt of overstay is to such magnitude that PF had to put him back to the next plane home.

robal wrote:

The maximum fine is R$10000. You can pay that upon or before entrance. But how about if someone overstayed like for 5 years? I haven´t seen anyone went to jail yet or sent back home  with no possibility of coming back after paying the fine. I wonder if they have already refused entry to someone where the gravity of the previous offense or contempt of overstay is to such magnitude that PF had to put him back to the next plane home.

That was why I asked how long the original overstay was (unfortunately,no answer to that one).  Most of the cases we see here seem to be from people with multiple use visas, phrased as either "180 in every 365 days" or "90 in every 180 days".  The visa for Egyptians appears to be 90 days, single use, no extensions.  In addition, where most Brazilian consular visa pages require at least generic proof of financial means to cover the entire trip to Brazil, the Cairo page actually sets a metric:  "As a reference, the applicant must have approximately US$ 150.00 per day available to cover expenses."  That's a pretty high bar, particularly for someone already starting with a debt of  R$10,000 ($2,448.31 US, at today's exchange rate).

If the 2018 overstay was much more than 10 days, the Embassy may have concluded that the risk of a second overstay is more than getting the R$10,000 is worth, especially while the R$10,000 is still outstanding.

Only other thing I can think of, you stated you stayed due to health reasons. Do you have doctor scripts and saying you could not travel?
Now, could work against you if you used SUS and no payment for services and tax payers footed the bill on a tourist visa.

Interesting story. I'm actually curious, if the OP (or anyone else for that matter) was denied entry upon arrival, what's the process with how/where they are sent to? Would they be sent back all the way back to Egypt (or their respective starting destination), the city where that segment of their flight arrived from (e.g. a transit airpot they changed over), or some choice between the two?

And then presumably there are costs as well? Which would be even more relevant if you have 10 mil BRL still hanging over your head and potentially 'stranded' in an airport half way there in no mans land? (assuming it wasn't a direct connections between Egypt/Brazil)

Majority of the time there should be a return ticket in order to obtain a visa and that ticket would be use to return the person.
If refused due to having overstayed before and not having the money for the fine, you will be deported from origin and possibly bared from entry into Brazil.

Ministro Sergio Moro through the Ministro de Justiça signed Portaria No. 666/2019 (Ordinance) last July 26, 2019 that facilitates the repatriation, deportation or expulsion of foreigners that presents danger or harm to Brasil. People suspected of terrorism, pornographic production, armed individuals, criminal organization, etc or foreigners who practices acts against the principles and objectives of the federal constitution has 48 hours to present defense or be deported.

The part that says the deportation of foreigners who practices acts against the principles and objectives of the federal constitution is rather vague and does not exactly enumerate which these acts are. Overstayers could be placed under these
circumstances and ordered to leave within 48 hours sans defense presentation.

There is also this preventive encarceration while waiting for deportation.

There are costs involved shouldered by PF during the process. You are repatriated
meaning you will be sent back to your home country.

https://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/a … iros.shtmlhttp://www.in.gov.br/en/web/dou/-/porta … -207244569

robal

Maybe a technicality, but I'd have thought deportation and expulsion provisions would only apply to those caught already in the country. Especially since it refers to putting up a defence or voluntarily leaving the country within 48 hours, whereas normally I'd have assumed you are on your way out immediately (first flight) in a circumstance where there is "impediment of entry".

I know some people used to previously do their administrative visa applications from Buenos Aires and enter from there, be it by flight or bus via Iguacu, so that they would be sent back into Argentina if denied entry. But if it's a repatriation back to your actual home country and not where you've come from, that's interesting to hear.

As to entry into Foz do Iguacu, PF Agents were getting classes as to new laws and waivers.
Those needing visas will be denied entry and sent back to AR immigrations with notice of denial. As to what AR immigration's does, is unknown to me.

i am still inegypt and dont know what to do,my life almost destroid i have plane to be in brazil to get my life began with the woman i care about i had the money for the penelty i had the money for the ticket i had the bocket money to start ,i dont know what to do.time very important to me.i an 60 years old i am not young no more .please please if any one can help or advice please contact me.they give me in the embassy email adress dont answer. cgpi@dpf.gov.br.nulta de 2018 nothing gome under this.i need help please please please

King,

The decisions of the Consular Section of the Brazilian Embassy in Cairo are final.  There is no appeal from them:  all you can do is change your situation - for example,  as suggested,  by having someone in Brazil pay your fine for you and send you the receipt  - and apply again.
The only other alternative that I can think of is to bring your fiancée to Egypt and marry her there under Egyptian law.  She can then bring you to the Brazilian Embassy and register your marriage, which will allow you to apply for a family reunion visa (VITEM XI); you'll probably still have to pay your fine when you arrive in Brazil.
This is an expensive and complicated process, so review the document requirements on the Embassy website carefully.  If, for example, either of you have been married before, you will need to present official documents, either a legal divorce decree, or a death certificate,  in a language and form acceptable to the Embassy, proving that the previous marriage ended.

Or you can travel to either Argentina, Paraguay or Uruguay if you can manage their requirements and marry there. At least it's close and only a fine line divides the countries. I have other ways I know that immediately yields gratification but are illegal so I won't be able
to give them to you.

robal

Getting married in a third country may save you some airfare.  It will, however, complicate your documentation problem, so you will need to plan carefully and in detail, and allow yourself enough time to pull everything together.

Egypt is not a party to the Apostille Convention.  This means that any Egyptian documents that you bring to submit to the Brazilian Federal Police in order to apply for permanent residency once you're married and in Brazil  need to be legalized at the Brazilian Embassy in Cairo before you leave.  That list is on the Federal Police website.

If you get married in a third country, Argentina for example, you'll need to have a second set of Egyptian documents legalized at the Brazilian Embassy in Cairo for presentation to the Brazilian Embassy in that country (Buenos Aires, in our example) in order to register your marriage there, and to request your VITEM XI after you've done that, so that you can move to Brazil with your wife.  The document requirements will be similar to, but may be somewhat different from, the requirements of the Brazilian Embassy in Cairo, so be sure to check the website of the Brazilian Embassy in the country where you'll get married, and comply with that.

You'll need to find out what the document requirements for marriage will be in the country where you'll be married, and have a third set of documents legalized at the embassy of that country (not Brazil) in Cairo before you leave.

It should be unnecessary to say, but I'll say it anyway:  avoid illegal "solutions".  They can ruin your life, and you're already on the Federal Police radar because of your overstay.

Good luck.

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please please please i need all the idea any one can give me i am in desprote satuation i am in verge of losing every thing i can go to bolivia and i can be in brazil airport but what next

please help with any any idea

Bolivia, nor any other country, will not help you for Brazil. You have overstayed and no visa. If Embassy has you "flagged", many airlines will deny a flight. Airlines do not want to be paying for a mistake.
Experts have advised you.

my girl riend contacted the embassy asking how they deny on basis of penelty had to be paid in brazil upon arrivel they answer her back saying that she is right no one could be denied because the penelty bcz it is two separet.any way should i take copy of this and apply again.the copy withe name and every details of the embassy

Just reapply! Keep the records for now and if opportunity appears, you can show that to them.

Good luck!

robal

i will reapply but i have to think also for another alternative.thanks robel for your suport