COVID-19 and expatriation in Hungary

Vicces1 wrote:

Personally, I do not trust the Russian or Chinese vaccines. The HU site does not mention which vaccine you will receive, but I was told when your number comes up when you register, that you will be given a choice. If for example, the Chinese vaccine is the only one available when your number comes up, you can decline it, but then you go back into the line for whenever the next type of vaccine will be available. Don't like that one? Again, back of the line...

Interesting poll results in the AP News link:

"But recent polling shows that some Hungarians are reluctant to receive the Sinopharm jab. A survey of 1,000 people in the capital of Budapest by pollster Median and the 21 Research Center showed that among those willing to receive a vaccine, only 27% would take a Chinese vaccine, compared to 43% a Russian vaccine and 84% a jab developed in Western countries. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3%."

Putting more useful meat on the bones of poll results reported by AP, some info about the demographics and political leanings of those polled found here.

"The survey found several significant differences based on age and party affiliation.

Although between the ages of 18-29 only 34% of respondents said they would certainly get vaccinated, this rate was 69% among those over 65.

The survey did not find major differences between respondents who support and those who oppose the Orbán government, but between affiliated and independent voters including those who oppose every traditional party and the political elite in general.

58% of voters supporting the government parties and 53% of opposition voters would definitely vaccinate themselves, while only 38% of unaffiliated voters would do the same.

The survey also shows a strong contrast in the support rate for the different Covid vaccines. Most people (84%) want to receive the European or American vaccines, only 43% would accept a Russian, and only 27% would get injected with a Chinese one.

Broken down by party affiliation, we see that if offered, 79% of pro-government voters would accept a Western vaccine, 66% a Russian, and only 45% a Chinese.

Meanwhile, 90% of respondents supporting opposition parties would trust a Western vaccine, 29% a Russian and 13% a Chinese one."

Quite a stark difference that if you are pro-O1G, you're more OK on Russian and Chinese than with the opposition parties.

Indeed it seems you can choose, I agree that the Chinese one is not preferred, however I would be happy to take Sputnik, having said that , first Moderna, then Pfizer and after Sputnik, lets see how things will go.

cdw057 wrote:

Indeed it seems you can choose, I agree that the Chinese one is not preferred, however I would be happy to take Sputnik, having said that , first Moderna, then Pfizer and after Sputnik, lets see how things will go.

Interesting.   Agree Chinese is way down the list.

But why Sputnik V as being more trustworthy?

My own choices would be:

Astra Zeneca (as close to non-profit)
Pfizer (long history in vaccines)
Novavax (British)
Moderna (no real knowledge of this company)
Johnson and Johnson (I don't like that company or its owners at all)

As an absolute last resort: Russian or Chinese.

As for Astra, not really applied in Germany, medical staff is worried, quite some immediate side effects not allowed for 65+, perhaps and probably it is fine still if I can choose I will do so between the three ones mentioned, there will be more.
My mom in the Netherlands (admittedly well over 80) has had her invitation for her first vaccine, she is probably more healthy than I am, but elderly and medical staff should receive it first. Personally I would be happy to receive first and second completed by end of May. (Three more months to go)

I hope the vaccine passport will allow us to do many things (either inside or even outside Hungary)

Apologies by the way for my limited posts (in terms of length and frequency)

cdw057 wrote:

As for Astra, not really applied in Germany, medical staff is worried, quite some immediate side effects not allowed for 65+, perhaps and probably it is fine still if I can choose I will do so between the three ones mentioned, there will be more.
My mom in the Netherlands (admittedly well over 80) has had her invitation for her first vaccine, she is probably more healthy than I am, but elderly and medical staff should receive it first. Personally I would be happy to receive first and second completed by end of May. (Three more months to go)

I hope the vaccine passport will allow us to do many things (either inside or even outside Hungary)

Oh, I see.  I'm not convinced by those EU arguments as I think it's bound up with some political issues.  AZ vaccine is being used universally in the UK with no problem. 

I'm not seeing any media reports there's a consensus for a universal vaccine passport.   The WHO yelllow booklet vaccine record should be good enough.  That's universally accepted already. 

They are saying here, everyone (more or less) will have had it by August.

No misunderstanding, I will take Astra if there are no other options, just my priority list is slightly different.
I will not take Chinese (yet), only when nothing else can be taken, but I prefer not.

My husband read online that a 6 year here in Hungary has Covid, a new strain of it.
Here we go again...

Austria, Denmark, Sweden want to use some kind of a vaccine passport.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

My husband read online that a 6 year here in Hungary has Covid, a new strain of it.
Here we go again...

There are a few new strains. It's not going anywhere soon.

I personally support a passport, it creates some discrimination short term, but it could help kickstart social life. I am perhaps too much in favour of the vaccine, but definitely if so it creates a nice incentive.
Just my view

My son told me to get ready to let my sister go since she had her set of shots.
Said she is a goner within a couple of years max.
Why do I keep hearing about bad reactions from shots?
The media isn't covering anything much about it. I watch alternative media.
I have no intentions of living forever but hate to be sucker punched and used as a social experiment.
Why get a shot if they have new strains out there that are even more dangerous then the first round of C-19?
I'll only submit to a job if  it means I can't travel somewhere I need to go to.
My sister gets a PCR test once or twice per week, overkill to my mind.
She is now assisting a women, 100 years old in the ladies home.
Not sure if it's going too be a long term job or not since 100 is pushing .
it.
Have to get paid more then she is to allow her body to go under so much so often.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

My son told me to get ready to let my sister go since she had her set of shots.
Said she is a goner within a couple of years max.
Why do I keep hearing about bad reactions from shots?
The media isn't covering anything much about it. I watch alternative media.
I have no intentions of living forever but hate to be sucker punched and used as a social experiment.
Why get a shot if they have new strains out there that are even more dangerous then the first round of C-19?
I'll only submit to a jab if  it means I can't travel somewhere I need to go to.
My sister gets a PCR test once or twice per week, overkill to my mind.
She is now assisting a women, 100 years old in the ladies home.
Not sure if it's going too be a long term job or not since 100 is pushing .
it.
Have to get paid more then she is to allow her body to go under so much so often.

Is this some kind of anti-vaxxer thing?   Why would your son tell you that?   He's winding you up and possibly messing with people's lives?

I watched a documentary last night (BBC Panorama programme) on internet vaccine misinformation sites and videos. The amount of nonsense floating about  is unbelievable.   People promoting anti-vaxxer theories are just a total bunch of charlatans.  I don't get why they bother!  The contributors to the anti-vaxxer message were struck off doctors, suspended medics, homeopathic (i.e. quack) "doctors" and various other lunatic fringe nutters.   One of the "doctors" was peddling the same thing in 1989 while trying to campaign against awareness for HIV.

I always have my vaccinations and have done for many years due to my work needs.  I've never had any reaction to any of them and believe me I've had a lot of them - my WHO yellow book is quite thick and goes back 20+ years. Last one I had was Typhoid in October last year.  I even had to have emergency vaccinations against rabies after I was bitten by a dog in Asia.  Nothing whatsoever happened to me!

And neither has there been any statistically significant reactions amongst the millions who have had the COVID19 vaccinations.

There are no chips, no-DNA alterations, tracking, fertility controls or any of that in the COVID19 vaccinations.

Quite Fluffy. If people were having reactions, dropping down dead. The MSM would be all over it.

SimCityAT wrote:

Austria, Denmark, Sweden want to use some kind of a vaccine passport.

Never going to fly unless it's universally acceptable for all countries.  That means standards for interoperability like passport formats and moreover, centralised look ups.

Imagine having a random Swedish vaccine document and travelling to India.  Why should they accept that as proof? 

The obvious thing is that ICAO and WHO organise it as mostly all nations are members  (didn't look up who wasn't a member but expect North Korea isn't).

I received an e-mail from Wizzair telling me pricing of COVID19 testing* at BUD airport:

PCR test HUF 19 500 Results in 24-48 hours

Antigen rapid test HUF 11 000 Results in 15-20 minutes

IgG antibody rapid test HUF 7 000 Results in 15-20 minutes

PCR test seems to be the one they mainly want when travelling.  Don't know which countries accept the other tests.

*Just saying it's available  - I'm  not associated with this service.

fluffy2560 wrote:

I received an e-mail from Wizzair telling me pricing of COVID19 testing* at BUD airport:

PCR test HUF 19 500 Results in 24-48 hours

Antigen rapid test HUF 11 000 Results in 15-20 minutes

IgG antibody rapid test HUF 7 000 Results in 15-20 minutes

PCR test seems to be the one they mainly want when travelling.  Don't know which countries accept the other tests.

*Just saying it's available  - I'm  not associated with this service.

I'll be getting another PCR test in a few weeks pre-surgery... too bad when the test is free through the health system here you get no prove. They just let your doctor know you are good to go.
I am aware that most likely the next international travel will require a vax certificate.
I'm stubborn and had so many messed up medical treatments in my 66 years, some great, some OK and some a waste of time and money that I have lost trust in the system.
Part of me would love to think Big Brother cares about us and the other half of me knows they don't need us ,"feeders or eaters " whatever they think we common people are.
I guess my family history has taught me not to trust the gov. I'm sure my relations who received those small pox infected blankets  would be screaming to us to take care if they only could.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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I'll be getting another PCR test in a few weeks pre-surgery... too bad when the test is free through the health system here you get no proof. They just let your doctor know you are good to go.
I am aware that most likely the next international travel will require a vax certificate.
I'm stubborn and had so many messed up medical treatments in my 66 years, some great, some OK and some a waste of time and money that I have lost trust in the system.
Part of me would love to think Big Brother cares about us and the other half of me knows they don't need us ,"feeders or eaters " whatever they think we common people are.
I guess my family history has taught me not to trust the gov. I'm sure my relations who received those small pox infected blankets  would be screaming to us to take care if they only could.

It's fairly certain  they'll introduce some sort of certificate.  But it's a can of worms that has so many opportunities for scope creep.  Government instinct is to always try and gold plate it to make it a system for monitoring this and that.  They start off trying to look for efficiencies.

The problem with government is that those in power can start to become unaccountable and far too comfortable in having and wielding their power.  Obviously they need to be monitored to stop them doing off the rails.  The parliament and courts are intended to keep the government from operating outside the  constitution and law.  A free press is part of that.   We also see the usual direction of trying to create dynasties to cement power and protection. 

It's easy to see how mistrust starts building. The current Hungarian government is a rather good example of how the system can start to break down in the face of someone with autocratic and manipulating instincts.   The USA on the other hand has luckily dodged a bullet in its self-correction.  The same kind of process is being and will be played out in Belarus and Burma.   

"plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"

Wow, here where ever you get tested, you get an SMS with the result also a piece of paper with QR code that you can show anyone that asks. Things are looking up, they are talking about opening up restaurants, cafes and bars if you can show a negative result. So I might be able to celebrate my birthday after all. Having a take away isn't quite the same

I'm sure if I was paying for the PCR test I would receive the results.
The hospital where I had eye surgery required the test and the Taj card covered the cost. It was all sent directly to  my doctor online.
Think they are only good for a few days anyways.
Had the test 4 days before surgery and next time it's only going to be 2 days before. Getting faster at getting the results it seems.
We noticed online Hungarian news this morning that they are now concerned about a virus that affects dogs... Just a matter of time before they either ban dogs or make them wear masks.
Just kidding, I do wish people would not allow their pets to use the public walkways as a toilet, that is really a "super spreader" way of infecting many things to both other pets and to humans.
Not a big deal on ground but on pavement it is just nasty.

But this getting tested before you can go here and there is pointless, I might catch the virus after I have been tested. It's fine to have free testing to put your mind at ease but that's about it.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Just kidding, I do wish people would not allow their pets to use the public walkways as a toilet, that is really a "super spreader" way of infecting many things to both other pets and to humans.
Not a big deal on ground but on pavement it is just nasty.

Its just bloody laziness, it doesn't take much effort to clear the poop up and put it in the bin. Here if caught they get a hefty fine. Where is the police when you need them

SimCityAT wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Just kidding, I do wish people would not allow their pets to use the public walkways as a toilet, that is really a "super spreader" way of infecting many things to both other pets and to humans.
Not a big deal on ground but on pavement it is just nasty.

Its just bloody laziness, it doesn't take much effort to clear the poop up and put it in the bin. Here if caught they get a hefty fine. Where is the police when you need them

Yes, they are never around when you need them.
Too busy trying to ticket speeders by hiding behind a bill board or eating donuts in a coffee shop.

SimCityAT wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Just kidding, I do wish people would not allow their pets to use the public walkways as a toilet, that is really a "super spreader" way of infecting many things to both other pets and to humans.
Not a big deal on ground but on pavement it is just nasty.

Its just bloody laziness, it doesn't take much effort to clear the poop up and put it in the bin. Here if caught they get a hefty fine. Where is the police when you need them

We carry bags with us and just put it in the rubbish bin.  People just don't think.  Dogs in Hungary might have more rights than people.   

Some years ago, in another country,  some guy passing my house always let his dog urinate on a tree on my front lawn.  It was killing my tree.  When I confronted him,  he was genuinely surprised,  indignant and defensive anyone would tell him off.  In the end, my tree succumbed to the relentless onslaught.  I wanted him to pay for my tree so he'd have to think twice about it next time.

We have some problems here with people passing and chucking things into our garden.  It's rare though.   We do get people putting empty bottles and cans on the electricity pylons/poles in the street.  These are concrete  moulded structures with holes just made for some people to store their discards as they pass.  Someone takes them away though but I don't know who.

SimCityAT wrote:

Wow, here where ever you get tested, you get an SMS with the result also a piece of paper with QR code that you can show anyone that asks. Things are looking up, they are talking about opening up restaurants, cafes and bars if you can show a negative result. So I might be able to celebrate my birthday after all. Having a take away isn't quite the same

I think it makes no sense to allow entry into restaurants, cafes and bars with a negative result.  If it's older than about 1 second, one could have been infected almost immediately after the test.  The obvious thing to do is vaccinate people.

News this morning is things are WORSE in Central Europe .  Slovakia is really suffering.  I cannot see opening of  borders around Austria or Hungary.

From March 1st, free corona self-tests for at home - the so-called living room tests - will be available in pharmacies. Up to five pieces per person are available per month. However, they do not serve as "entry tests", but for self-monitoring.  REALLY what is the point?

SimCityAT wrote:

From March 1st, free corona self-tests for at home - the so-called living room tests - will be available in pharmacies. Up to five pieces per person are available per month. However, they do not serve as "entry tests", but for self-monitoring.  REALLY what is the point?

I suppose it depends if the results are instant - like a pregnancy test. 

Then if you were off to visit Aunt Agnes or Uncle Uwe in a care home then one could have confidence of coverage that the tested visitor wouldn't infect the visitee.

I don't know the value of visiting some people in care homes, especially if they have dementia and don't really know who is who or where they are. 

It might sound cruel but a couple of relatives of mine stopped visiting their relative because that person has dementia doesn't know anything now and cannot communicate.  They've taken to just phoning the home to ask how the person is.

fluffy2560 wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

From March 1st, free corona self-tests for at home - the so-called living room tests - will be available in pharmacies. Up to five pieces per person are available per month. However, they do not serve as "entry tests", but for self-monitoring.  REALLY what is the point?

I suppose it depends if the results are instant - like a pregnancy test. 

Then if you were off to visit Aunt Agnes or Uncle Uwe in a care home then one could have confidence of coverage that the tested visitor wouldn't infect the visitee.

I don't know the value of visiting some people in care homes, especially if they have dementia and don't really know who is who or where they are. 

It might sound cruel but a couple of relatives of mine stopped visiting their relative because that person has dementia doesn't know anything now and cannot communicate.  They've taken to just phoning the home to ask how the person is.

I have no idea what they are like if instant or not. I just find them a bit pointless when we have free tests centres in our towns and cities anyway.

SimCityAT wrote:

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I have no idea what they are like if instant or not. I just find them a bit pointless when we have free tests centres in our towns and cities anyway.

Maybe it's for older folk who cannot physically get to the free test centre? 

Here, we've suddenly seen a mobile medical van parked up at the local shopping centre.  No information of course on why it's there and who it's for.  No-one's said a thing but I'm sure it won't be free if it's COVID19 related.

fluffy2560 wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

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I have no idea what they are like if instant or not. I just find them a bit pointless when we have free tests centres in our towns and cities anyway.

Maybe it's for older folk who cannot physically get to the free test centre? 

Here, we've suddenly seen a mobile medical van parked up at the local shopping centre.  No information of course on why it's there and who it's for.  No-one's said a thing but I'm sure it won't be free if it's COVID19 related.

We  noticed a C-19 testing truck parked in front of Arena Plaza on Friday.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

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I have no idea what they are like if instant or not. I just find them a bit pointless when we have free tests centres in our towns and cities anyway.

Maybe it's for older folk who cannot physically get to the free test centre? 

Here, we've suddenly seen a mobile medical van parked up at the local shopping centre.  No information of course on why it's there and who it's for.  No-one's said a thing but I'm sure it won't be free if it's COVID19 related.

We  noticed a C-19 testing truck parked in front of Arena Plaza on Friday.

Wow, we're on to something here.   

Ours is about the same size as an ambulance and has "mobile testing unit" or something like it written on the side (in English!).

Received this from the HU government;

Starting this week, five types of vaccines are already available in the domestic vaccination program. Nearly half a million of our compatriots have already been vaccinated, more than 200,000 of whom have received the second.

The epidemic is still strongly present, but the progress of the vaccination program will allow us to launch a consultation on a restart. You can now give your opinion on the most important issues of the restart.

The consultation questionnaire can be found on the website hosting the vaccination registration:
https://vakcinainfo.gov.hu

We look forward to hearing from you, take part in the consultation

As an aside,  some countries (i.e. UK) require a COVID19 test for entry AND quarantine EVEN IF you've been vaccinated.  WTF?

fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

Maybe it's for older folk who cannot physically get to the free test centre? 

Here, we've suddenly seen a mobile medical van parked up at the local shopping centre.  No information of course on why it's there and who it's for.  No-one's said a thing but I'm sure it won't be free if it's COVID19 related.

We  noticed a C-19 testing truck parked in front of Arena Plaza on Friday.

Wow, we're on to something here.   

Ours is about the same size as an ambulance and has "mobile testing unit" or something like it written on the side (in English!).

Seems this C-19 has opened up new business opportunities for some...
Notice a small booth inside Tesco, Arena Plaza that was selling Covid."Merch" hats and masks...
This is not going away anytime soon if someone is making a buck on it.
5 new vax's available?
I just saw something about a vax making a mammogram unreliable...
Opening up a can of worms or pandora's box?
This enitre thing is getting weirder and weirder.
Noticed the folks in Carlsbad, Ca. have gone against the Gov. and have reopened indoor dining.
40% of the restaurants have reopened. The other 60% went out of business waiting and waiting.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

We  noticed a C-19 testing truck parked in front of Arena Plaza on Friday.

Wow, we're on to something here.   

Ours is about the same size as an ambulance and has "mobile testing unit" or something like it written on the side (in English!).

Seems this C-19 has opened up new business opportunities for some...
Notice a small booth inside Tesco, Arena Plaza that was selling Covid."Merch" hats and masks...
This is not going away anytime soon if someone is making a buck on it.
5 new vax's available?
I just saw something about a vax making a mammogram unreliable...
Opening up a can of worms or pandora's box?
This enitre thing is getting weirder and weirder.
Noticed the folks in Carlsbad, Ca. have gone against the Gov. and have reopened indoor dining.
40% of the restaurants have reopened. The other 60% went out of business waiting and waiting.

I don't think I'd like any C19 merchandise.   It's been nothing but a big hassle and a massive gap in our lives.  It's a bit like Trump, let's forget it ever happened and never talk about it again.

UK - which is of course zooming ahead - says more or less all restrictions will be over by about July 2020 but full "business as normal" will be in 2021.   Who knows what that all means for here which is moving at snails pace.

As for unreliable mammograms and vaccinations I don't believe a word of it.  Whoever started that is irresponsible.   

BTW, IATA is promoting a travel pass to COVID19 status.    They say no-one trusts the WHO yellow vaccination books.  But what kind of moron would want to fake a COVID19 vaccination certificate?

Latest e-mail from Kormányzati Tájékoztatási Központ (Government Information Centre) re vaccinations:

"It is planned that by Easter, all our compatriots who have registered so far will be able to receive the vaccine. This is due to the fact that new consignments of vaccines have arrived in Hungary, and more will arrive in the coming weeks. This also means that most vaccines are available in Hungary among the EU countries in proportion to the population.

In Hungary, there are already five types of vaccines. In addition to Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Sputnik, the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine can also be used in the vaccination program.

According to the pharmaceutical authority, the Chinese vaccine is safe and effective. Over the age of 18 without age limit, so it can be given to elderly people. Its great advantage is that it elicits a strong immune response, thus providing great protection against the severe course of coronavirus infection. It works on the same basis as the well-known flu vaccines. It has been used in neighboring Serbia for weeks, and Hungarians from Vojvodina have also received large numbers of this vaccine.

We will continue to provide information on the latest developments in the vaccination program."

Thanks for your post, I just repeat myself, Moderna, Pfizer and Sputnik are on my list, if offered Astra would be an option, right now Sino is not on the list. Me and my wife registered and as I understand our GP should call us (in any case before Easter)
Things right now are not going well at all, but Sino is not on our list yet, the others mentioned are.

Good luck and health for all.

On this topic Hungary might be a bit too independent (ie Sino..), having said that not doing too bad in organization. I suspect life might be good again by 1st July (which is not too bad)

As a compliment to (in any case) my GP, normal medicines and prescriptions are easily prescribed via phone (a very good thing!!)

Things are going bad right now though

Looks like sooner or later the jab is going to be forced on everyone.
Is this going to be an annual thing or will we need one everytime they find another strain?
It looks like so many people are willing to take any old chemical injected into the temples/bodies as long as the bars reopen. ( Just from reading posts online, seems drinking in bars is the number one reason to open up again)
I have no intentions of signing up for anything that has not been tested long term.
I don't trust science or anyone telling me something is good for me.
At least when I was shot up with hormones that brought on early menopause pre surgical at age 40 I was warned they might and probably would also bring on arthritis too. I haven't heard anything bad about any vax so far, the media makes it look too hunky-dory for my suspicions
There has to be a down side to getting one.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Looks like sooner or later the jab is going to be forced on everyone.
Is this going to be an annual thing or will we need one everytime they find another strain?
It looks like so many people are willing to take any old chemical injected into the temples/bodies as long as the bars reopen. ( Just from reading posts online, seems drinking in bars is the number one reason to open up again)
I have no intentions of signing up for anything that has not been tested long term.
I don't trust science or anyone telling me something is good for me.
At least when I was shot up with hormones that brought on early menopause pre surgical at age 40 I was warned they might and probably would also bring on arthritis too. I haven't heard anything bad about any vax so far, the media makes it look too hunky-dory for my suspicions
There has to be a down side to getting one.

The e-mail from the government is largely intended to placate people's fears about the Chinese and Russian vaccines.  It's not very subtle. 

They seem to often repeat what is going on the Serbia, comparing the Hungarians there to those in Hungary itself.  Very few people here care about or feel solidarity with the Hungarians over there.   it's really amateurish marketing appealing in that way when the people feel little empathy.  Same for Romania. No-one cares that much.     

They need to think about a different tack.  They should up their game to show some solid marketing about "people like me".  It's marketing 101.     The survey previously posted here shows low levels of trust and it'll take months of repetition to make it work.

I can see people wouldn't trust Russian or Chinese versions, mainly because people don't trust their governments and certainly not their science and testing.  That's almost certainly going to come under political influence.   

People remember the old times of low quality Russia here - no trust there.  And people will wonder if  they want to commit to a Chinese produced anything where life depended on it and there is another Western choice?

cdw057 wrote:

Thanks for your post, I just repeat myself, Moderna, Pfizer and Sputnik are on my list, if offered Astra would be an option, right now Sino is not on the list. Me and my wife registered and as I understand our GP should call us (in any case before Easter)
Things right now are not going well at all, but Sino is not on our list yet, the others mentioned are.

Good luck and health for all.

On this topic Hungary might be a bit too independent (ie Sino..), having said that not doing too bad in organization. I suspect life might be good again by 1st July (which is not too bad)
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Things are going bad right now though

No chance of life getting back to normal  anywhere by July 2021.   Maybe July 2022.

My main comparator is the UK. 

As of yesterday, they reached 19 million vaccinations, which is almost 1/3 of the population.  The hospitalisation rate is declining and so is the death rate. 

They are now starting the last stages of their roll out and probably by April, at least 50% of the population who are vulnerable will have been vaccinated.   

Easily by july 2021, they should be into the foothills of herd immunity with over 60% of the population done with at least one vaccination.   

I'm not one for blowing my country's trumpet but it's a stunning achievement. 

I am sure there going to be plenty of research projects to find out what the critical points were in managing that success.

Update I received from an alert system:

Hungary: Coronavirus countermeasures in place until at least 15 March

Officials have announced that extant coronavirus countermeasures will remain in place until at least 15 March 2021.

Under the restrictions a curfew is in place from 20:00 – 05:00 local time (19:00 – 04:00 GMT), all public gatherings are banned and businesses are prohibited from operation past 19:00 local time (18:00 GMT).

Additionally, individuals must still abide by face mask and social distancing requirements and in-restaurant dining is banned.