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Wahab Ali Ali

Hi everybody hopefully all members are fine.
My name is Wahab Ali from Pakistan. I want travel to Brazil and start any low level bussines,please guide me about visa and Brazilian culture. I have fresh passport and I couldn't have any past history of traveling..
Thnx

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rraypo

Good morning to you and a happy Sunday.
So, you have never traveled out of your country, never been to Brasil, but now you want to move there and to open a business? First why Brasil?  Why not travel there as a tourist first?  I believe this is where you would start to obtain your tourist visa: 
http://islamabade.itamaraty.gov.br/en-u … f_visa.xml

Wahab Ali Ali

Thanks sir for reply.
First of fall my Pakistani friend already live in Brazil and running own business. So I like to want travel Brazil nd start low level any bussines in Brazil..
Furthermore Brazil have very strong passport, rather than other GULF Countries..
I am Government Servant in Pakistan
Ministry of overseas Pakistani and human resources development..
But I am fade up about some government policies.. So I want change my lifestyle.
Please guide me about merits and demerits..

Drjmagic

I think a good start would involve spending a couple days reading everything posted on this site for the last 2 years or so. It will give you a great inside view of some issues, difficulties and joys of being an expat in Brazil

abthree

Unless you are married to a Brazilian, have a job offer from a Brazilian company approved by the Ministry of Labor, or have significant funds to invest in a business that will create jobs in Brazil, it is practically impossible to obtain approval for permanent residency in Brazil.  Overstaying a tourist visa is a bad decision, resulting in fines and inability to work legally.  And, while Brazil does have a reasonably strong passport, it only issues passports to citizens, not to foreign residents, even legal permanent residents.

You should do a great deal of research and have a plan, including a plan to get yourself back home again, before risking a trip halfway around the world.

Texanbrazil

As abthree has said, there is no way to work or open a business without an investor's visa, In order to work you must become a permanent resident and obtain a work card,
Currently, you can enter on a tourist visa for 90 days, Need to show hotel and funds to cover your stay.
There is some confusion as to tourists being able to extend their tourist visa under the current laws for an additional 90 days.
So as said you got a lot of red tape and regulations to get thru in 90 days.
Look at the BR Consulate site in your country. This will help.

English Penguin

As the others have said, you'd need to be a permanent resident to work here. I made the mistake of overstaying my tourist visa while trying to sort out my stable union with my wife and ended up paying over R$13,000 in fines before I could be legal in the country again. I'd definitely not recommend any plans you might have of entering and overstaying the visa.

rraypo

To, English PenguinToday 21:22:30Report#7

Oh man, R$13,000 is an amazing amount for a mistake.  May I ask how long past your 90-days you stayed in Brazil?    Thank you

English Penguin

rraypo wrote:

To, English PenguinToday 21:22:30Report#7

Oh man, R$13,000 is an amazing amount for a mistake.  May I ask how long past your 90-days you stayed in Brazil?    Thank you


Haha it was a pain indeed. So I was a bit silly really, I over stayed by 184 days. My previous research before this point suggested that the fine was R$20 a day (Something like that) but I hadn't realised this was updated to R$120(?) a day and as such I was greeted with a very surprising bill. The original amount for actually for R$9k but as we were leaving the country to travel for a few months, I received it at the airport. When we tried to pay they told us to just pay when we return, so that's what we tried to do. Magically they added 4k in fees to it by then though which nobody warned us about.

rraypo

English Penguin wrote:
rraypo wrote:

To, English PenguinToday 21:22:30Report#7

Oh man, R$13,000 is an amazing amount for a mistake.  May I ask how long past your 90-days you stayed in Brazil?    Thank you


Haha it was a pain indeed. So I was a bit silly really, I over stayed by 184 days. My previous research before this point suggested that the fine was R$20 a day (Something like that) but I hadn't realised this was updated to R$120(?) a day and as such I was greeted with a very surprising bill. The original amount for actually for R$9k but as we were leaving the country to travel for a few months, I received it at the airport. When we tried to pay they told us to just pay when we return, so that's what we tried to do. Magically they added 4k in fees to it by then though which nobody warned us about.


Wow, my friend, I am a bit horrified to read this one. Depending on the time, and the current rates of exchange, that's a lot of unexpected cash.

English Penguin

rraypo wrote:
English Penguin wrote:
rraypo wrote:

To, English PenguinToday 21:22:30Report#7

Oh man, R$13,000 is an amazing amount for a mistake.  May I ask how long past your 90-days you stayed in Brazil?    Thank you


Haha it was a pain indeed. So I was a bit silly really, I over stayed by 184 days. My previous research before this point suggested that the fine was R$20 a day (Something like that) but I hadn't realised this was updated to R$120(?) a day and as such I was greeted with a very surprising bill. The original amount for actually for R$9k but as we were leaving the country to travel for a few months, I received it at the airport. When we tried to pay they told us to just pay when we return, so that's what we tried to do. Magically they added 4k in fees to it by then though which nobody warned us about.


Wow, my friend, I am a bit horrified to read this one. Depending on the time, and the current rates of exchange, that's a lot of unexpected cash.


It was certainly a shock to the wallet. I think at the time it worked out to about £2400.

We were just going through the passport check in SP to fly to Iceland to start our trip and that news definitely forced us to adjust our budget for Iceland and the rest of the travels!

Honestly, I was just glad to pay it and get that behind me and get my residency here. Life really began after that since I was able to open a bank account, leave the country etc.

abthree

EP,

Thanks for highlighting the possibility of interest and late fees on unpaid fines.  We often don't mention them here, because the Federal Police are inconsistent in assessing them, but it's worth remembering that they're a possibility.  Sometimes, the R$10,000 maximum on the overstay penalty isn't the real maximum!

English Penguin

abthree wrote:

EP,

Thanks for highlighting the possibility of interest and late fees on unpaid fines.  We often don't mention them here, because the Federal Police are inconsistent in assessing them, but it's worth remembering that they're a possibility.  Sometimes, the R$10,000 maximum on the overstay penalty isn't the real maximum!


I was a bit naïve when I first arrived here and really believed the R$10,000 limit would be just that, the limit haha. I even thought I hit the jackpot because they only charged me 9k when they were fully entitled to hit me with the 10k but little did I know. Prior to leaving the country, we were reading about how the fines are handed out and I read countless stories of people just leaving without anyone mentioning their overstayed visa status and was foolish enough to think I might get away with it because I was hoping I'd get an officer who wasn't paying attention to dates etc. but turns out the computer actually flags it up pretty obviously to them!

The other thing they "misinformed" us about was me being allowed to renter the country when I paid the fine. They told my wife that if I paid the fine I could renter the country with her which turned out to not be true at all. They wanted to send me back to Europe but luckily they allowed me to book a flight from SP to Paraguay instead. Something people should be aware of is that possibility of being denied entry for 180 days as I am pretty sure now its a guaranteed thing.

My whole experience with the FP and getting my residency is a whole ordeal on its own. Nobody, and I mean nobody could tell us the exact same information. It really does feel like they make up the rules on the spot or interpret them as they see fit. If it wasn't for one very genuine officer who kind of said "f the procedure" on one part, I'm not sure I would have gotten my residency at all! Definitely the most stressful experience of my life so far!

abthree

English Penguin wrote:

My whole experience with the FP and getting my residency is a whole ordeal on its own. Nobody, and I mean nobody could tell us the exact same information. It really does feel like they make up the rules on the spot or interpret them as they see fit. If it wasn't for one very genuine officer who kind of said "f the procedure" on one part, I'm not sure I would have gotten my residency at all! Definitely the most stressful experience of my life so far!


Yes, people's experiences with the Federal Police vary all over the map, with a lot of inconsistencies between offices, as well as the human element.  And now, everything is even worse because of the pandemic, and rapidly changing rules, schedules, and routines.  Glad that it worked out for you!

rraypo

English Penguin wrote:
rraypo wrote:
English Penguin wrote:


Haha it was a pain indeed. So I was a bit silly really, I over stayed by 184 days. My previous research before this point suggested that the fine was R$20 a day (Something like that) but I hadn't realised this was updated to R$120(?) a day and as such I was greeted with a very surprising bill. The original amount for actually for R$9k but as we were leaving the country to travel for a few months, I received it at the airport. When we tried to pay they told us to just pay when we return, so that's what we tried to do. Magically they added 4k in fees to it by then though which nobody warned us about.


Wow, my friend, I am a bit horrified to read this one. Depending on the time, and the current rates of exchange, that's a lot of unexpected cash.


It was certainly a shock to the wallet. I think at the time it worked out to about £2400.

We were just going through the passport check in SP to fly to Iceland to start our trip and that news definitely forced us to adjust our budget for Iceland and the rest of the travels!

Honestly, I was just glad to pay it and get that behind me and get my residency here. Life really began after that since I was able to open a bank account, leave the country etc.


The one thing I learned YEARS  ago is that if you call them and if they answer their phone, you will get different instructions with every person you speak with and then when you go there, those instructions will not match with anything you are told to do there, in their office.

nasir_acc80

Dear,
Once you have Brazilian friend than he may help you. Here no assistance regarding visa but you can get information about business categories.
From Pakistan is as my experience difficult to get visa. It is not impossible but impossible by itself I M Possible. At the moment i think Brazilian embassy isn't working with visas due to COVID19.
You can ask which kind of business could be easy. Keep in mind 0 Portuguese mean, you are 0 here.
Locally formal English isn't spoken.
Hopefully you get visa.
Regards!

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