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Odie&CiCi

Morning All,

We are planning to head home to Canada in early May, but we’re having a bit of a time deciding to go across the border by land or air.  Theirs sooooo many different requirements and potential scenarios that it gets a little overwhelming

If there’s anyone who can provide real feedback from your experiences (not hearsay and Facebook quotes please) then please either drop a PM or respond to this thread.

Cheers - Odie

planner

The only ones I know about have flown from Canada to the USA then to here and returned the same way.

Gaspesie

This is what I found from the Canadian Snowbirds Association for March 2021:

Fly to the U.S. and driving across the border

Snowbirds who want to avoid the hotel quarantine may choose to fly to a U.S. border city - rather than fly into one of the four designated international airports in Canada - you can then cross the land border by rental car, airport shuttle company or by taxi or limo.

However, it’s important to be aware that not all car rental companies will allow you to drop your rental car off in Canada (or may charge you a premium to drop off the car in Canada) and some may not even allow you to drive it across the border. Be sure to check with rental companies in advance to see what their policies and prices are for cross-border travel.

Before returning home this way, you must:

Have a valid, negative COVID PCR test taken within 72 hours of your flight departure time. If you do not present this at check in, you will be denied boarding. If you test positive, you must remain in the U.S. for 14 days and then you can fly home by providing proof that you tested positive and your test is more than 14 days old.
Important: If you are driving across the border your negative PCR test must be performed in the United States, so travellers from international destinations will have to spend a few days in the U.S. to take their test and receive their results before driving across the border to Canada.
Register on the ArriveCAN app or website, explaining your quarantine plans and providing other information.
When you cross the border you will be tested again. The federal government has already set up testing sites at some of the main border crossings and is in the process of setting up testing sites at others, but they likely won’t be available at all border crossings

Once you take your test at the border, you can then continue to your home where you must quarantine for 14 days. You may not stop for groceries, at restaurants or anywhere else along your route.

You will also need to take a self-administered COVID test on Day-10 of your quarantine.

Steverino7777

I am booked on the first Air Canada flight out of Bogota direct to Toronto on May 8th. That route has been closed for 3 months and it is one of the first Air Canada flights back into this region. I am flying Wingo Air out of Santo Domingo on May 7th to make that connection. $200 cad. 1 way. Air Canada will then get me out to Victoria the same day.
Westjet and Air Canada are signalling in the media that they expect the covid hotel policy to be lifted May 1st. There also may be a reduction in the 14 day quarantine.

Odie&CiCi

Thanks for the info folks. We found a company in Ogdensburg NY that’s handling the logistics of getting us across and home - including arranging the COVID test and a nearby hotel while we await the results.

As far as testing goes...

- Test in Punta Cana before we fly to the states
- Test in NY before we cross the border
- Test at the border
- Test at the 10-day point during the necessary (?) 14-day quarantine

We’ll be good and rested out !!

Plaf

Wowwwww..  slow down, everyone.
When instituting inbound travel restrictions into Canada the Prime minister of Canada mentioned that these restrictions would be in effect until END-OF-April.

What will be in play after that is anybody's guess.  Odie, Your question may be premature. If you can; I would suggest that you wait until the beginning of May to make your travel plans, .
Here is why:
Air Canada and Westjet are banking that travel restrictions will be less severe come May. They have both recently announced the return of Caribbean flights, with the express purpose of picking up wayward Snowbirds...

Odie&CiCi

Slow down ??  That’s odd, but whatever.

We did have Air Canada flights booked for 2 May into Montreal. Then they cancelled those flights  saying no flights until 5 June.  Same with Westjet and Sunwing. We’re not comfortable gambling on something the Federal government says by waiting until May to book  considering their track record before and during this mess. Promises and $2 might get you a coffee

Gotta get back north... got some life (and grandkids) to take care of !

Steverino7777

Air Canada cancelled my May 1st flight from Punta Cana to Toronto last week and advised that the earliest flight back from the D.R. was June 5th. Thus, I booked their return flight from Bogota. 1.5 hr. flight from Santo Domingo for May 8th

Gaspesie

Dear Odie&cici
Safe travels🙂 and can you please PM me your contact in NY.

Odie&CiCi

Sure thing. Give me a minute...

Dolfina

Hello Odie,  I have the same questions, we are planning on returning to Montreal. Had a flight booked on Air Canada for May 5th.  A few day later they cancelled the flight.  Can you pm me about the company in Ogdensburg NY.  We might have to return the same way.

modaisky1971

That is because we are on full shutdown.  Even if you fly to USA you likely will be required to quarantine at a government approved hotel with costs of $1500-$2000.  :-(

Gaspesie

Quarantine is not required if you are entering from the United States.
Please read my post of March 29,3021.

StanR

Gaspesie wrote:

Quarantine is not required if you are entering from the United States.
Please read my post of March 29,3021.


I read your post of March 29. You state that 14 day quarantine is required if entering from the US.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/quaran … -1.5531717

Mmr986

Gaspesie is correct. If crossing by land via the US you circumvent the imposed 3 day hotel quarantine but still must quarantine for 14 days when you reach your residence. It is important to consider that even though you will need a PCR/Antigen test to fly from DR to the USA you will need an additional PCR test in the US before being able to enter Canada. This will, as Gaspesie pointed out require you to stay an additional 2-3 days in the US until you get your PCR test result

Dolfina

Thank you for clarifying.  I am trying not have to stay in hotel.  The point is of not staying in a hotel in Canada or US waiting for the test results.  As for quarantining at home is no problem at all for me.

Steverino7777

I am flying out of the D.R. on May 7th. Is there a new electronic government procedure I need to fill out prior to arriving at the airport?

StanR

I will also be returning to Montreal by air May 8th. A friend returned a couple of weeks ago to Toronto and refused the covid hotel stay. For that he was issued a $3000 fine and plans to fight it in court. I plan to do the same.

TORONTO: The Justice Centre announced today that the Federal Court has released the Decision on the interim injunction regarding the federal hotel quarantine and quarantine facility policies. The interim injunction would have applied to nine Justice Centre clients who travelled under different sets of circumstances and found themselves facing detention in federal facilities upon arrival in Canada.

While the Court did not issue the interim injunction, it found that both Charter Section 7- the right to life liberty and security of person, and Section 9 – the right not to be arbitrarily detained are engaged by the federal quarantine policies and were serious issues to be tried at a further trial.

The Court also accepted without reserve the Justice Centre’s reminder that in a time of emergency, the role of an independent judiciary in safeguarding Charter rights and freedoms takes on additional importance (see paragraph 124 of the Decision.)

The Court went on to say: “History demonstrates why the bulwark of the robust protection of Charter rights by an independent judiciary is so important in times of crisis.”

The full hearing on the constitutionality of quarantine hotels and quarantine facilities is scheduled for June 1-3, 2021.

“The forced isolation of returning Canadian air travellers is arbitrary, unnecessary, and totalitarian”, states Justice Centre Litigation Director, Jay Cameron.  “These quarantine hotels and restrictive measures are more consistent with a dictatorship than a free society.  We look forward to the full hearing of these issues in early June.

Allor925

How can you not love this? If only the SCOTUS lived up to these principles!

StanR
The Court also accepted without reserve the Justice Centre’s reminder that in a time of emergency, the role of an independent judiciary in safeguarding Charter rights and freedoms takes on additional importance (see paragraph 124 of the Decision.)

The Court went on to say: “History demonstrates why the bulwark of the robust protection of Charter rights by an independent judiciary is so important in times of crisis.”

The full hearing on the constitutionality of quarantine hotels and quarantine facilities is scheduled for June 1-3, 2021.

StanR

Just out yesterday. National Post.

The Federal Court refused to order an immediate end to the federal government’s quarantine hotel rules, but agreed it is an issue needing close judicial scrutiny because of restrictions it places on travellers.

“A public health emergency, like the global pandemic caused by COVID-19, is in one sense simply another emergency. However, it must also be recognized that it is a type of situation that can inspire irrational fears and passions, which may in turn provoke a government to adopt excessive measures that trench unduly on the rights and freedoms of individuals,” the court said in its ruling.
It is necessary, therefore, to subject government rationale for any emergency measures to a degree of scrutiny that is proportional to the risk that Charter rights may have been impaired by actions based on irrational fears rather than the careful weighing of competing interests based on the evidence.”

2VPsoldier

I intend on returning to Moca in August, the primary reason being renew my TR and cedula. But as important, it will be to see my wife and family after being gone for 11 months. It will also be to see my  contractor and the progress on our house. It will not be very long as I will have to do the quarantine for 14 days on return before I can get back to work, hopefully by first week of September. I will have had both shots by mid July as well. By having to have a current Covid-19 test in order to board a departing aircraft, I see no benefit to having another test upon landing, and spending god knows how much for three days in a hotel for another test. Therefore, I will follow, with interest, your travels, as well as the governments policies, both here in Canada and there in the DR.....please keep us posted.

AlaPlaya

This makes me happy that the courts in Canada are going to seriously evaluate the Charter violations. Especially in light of the fact that "essential travel" has never been well-defined.

planner

Let's keep this relevant to DR please.  Thanks

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