visiting costa rica with intent to reside long term

Henrych wrote:

Samramon, your "facts" come from the government paid mass media. Just this fact alone is enough to question them. Covid (a bio weapon) is real, flu is real too, as other diseases, but pandemic is not. I'd suggest using the critical mind, obtaining info from the alternative sources and, the most important, shut off your TV, at least for some time. My friend has just died after Astra Zeneca. Another one has got horrible side effect after getting Phizer. In the "vaxed" Israel, children suffer from myocarditis en mass after being vaxed.  I'd take covid at any time over the experimental, DNA altering jab. This is my body.

You seem to think everything is a conspiracy. You seem to think only alternative sources of "facts" count for anything.

Could you please provide any legitimate sources of information regarding what you say about the vaccinations and Israel? I have read a ton of different sources about the vaccine, and the truth is it has something like .0004% cases of problems. According to science . And according to science and simple reading of the news all over the world, Millions upon millions of people have died from covid. 600k in the USA. While some two or three hundred may have died from the vaccine but they are not even sure that is what killed them.

If you don't believe in any government and you don't believe in mass media then you open yourself up to lies from wacko conspiracy theories. I am guessing you believe in Q? And you watch OAN and Newsmax?

If you are going to say things like covid is a bio-weapon then you are spreading dangerous lies. The least you could do is provide your source so people could see that it is not a legitimate source.

My sources are news reports from various parts of the world, and doctors who have studied viruses for their entire lives, and virologists who have spent their lives studying viruses like this one. As well as simple logic that if people wear masks and social distance, then it helps to stop a virus like covid-19 from spreading.

Did you see how many people from both sides of the political aisle in the United States rushed to get the vaccine? Even jumping ahead of people to get it? What does that tell you? They downplayed the virus to their constituents while truly being afraid of it and knowing that the vaccine is protective.
P.s. I stopped watching TV news 25 years ago. I get my news from various sources including sources from the right, on the internet. Unfortunately I find some sources to spew lies, and I do not watch or read those after realizing they have an agenda that is counter to democracy.

Surffeaver wrote:

Hola,I'm pretty amazed at the trouble the expats on this vlog have living here.I have many Tico friends,hardly any expat friends because the gringos endlessly complain.Sure some of the things you go through here will make you pull out your hair,but after you settle in the once a month trip to the bank, or paying your bills don't seem to stressful of a chore.Guanacaste where I live reminds me of California in the 50's,I like that.The alternative of going back to the states,smog,traffic,complicated lifestyle,mass shootings,cold weather,count me out! Ignore the endless complaining of those who will never be happy about anything,and see for yourself what Costa Rica has to offer.You just need to be patient. Pura Vida..

There are things I do not like about Costa Rica too.
But it seems that most of the people on this thread are upset about the covid restrictions.

They bought the lie that covid isn't a real pandemic. If you start from that assumption, then your whole world is going to be upside down. If you can't see that a pandemic is real, then you really have a warped view of reality.

The fact is that driving restrictions help to keep people from congregating, because congregating leads to spreading the virus, covid-19. Anyone who watched the news in the United States during the last Administration can see what happened every time there were masses of people together without wearing masks and social distancing. Two to three weeks later there were many deaths. It doesn't take a genius to see this. 600k dead and many more with long-term illnesses from a covid infection. I know people who have long-term illnesses from covid.

The fact is that in U.S. states where the populations have reached over 70% full vaccinations, covid has almost disappeared.

To say that the vaccines don't work or are dangerous is counter to the concept of defeating this pandemic. Anyone who looks at the world clearly from various angles and sources can see that the vaccines are working. To say otherwise is to spread lies and disinformation.

If you are afraid to take it, that is your choice. But it is a choice that doesn't help defeat the pandemic, and it is a choice of unnecessary fear.

Talking about covid becomes political, because the Republican Party in the United States politicized it. They made it seem that if you took precautions against covid-19, wore a mask and social distanced, then you were some sort of liberal communist.

That idea, that covid isn't a real pandemic, is dangerous to Costa Rica, the United States and to the world because the world is influenced by the President of the United States. So when you have a (former) world leader who downplays a pandemic, by his own admission, then you have a situation where it is very difficult to control a pandemic.

History shows that this is what happened in the United States and why so many people died unnecessarily.

So when I talk about Costa Rica protecting itself from covid by driving restrictions and shutting down businesses during times of high infection from covid, I am called a communist or a socialist or both on Forums like these where there are always people who are anti-science, who don't believe the pandemic is a real threat. I am neither of the above by the way, I am a Democrat who believes in democracy.

Since covid-19 was politicized by the Republican Party under President Trump, one cannot talk about covid without the conversation being politicized.

So the only way to avoid this is to avoid being able to talk about covid.

At least I am not rude and do not call people names like some others on this for him make a habit of.

And one has to wonder, if a person doesn't believe in mass media and they don't believe in government telling them the truth then what the hell do they believe in?

Those people need to provide sources for the information they spread. My sources are well-known journalistic sources like  Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Harper's magazine, New York Magazine,the Christian Science monitor, the doctors and virologists on Facebook and other parts of the internet, the CDC, The WHO, and their critics. I read many different sources about a subject before I determine a consensus of opinion.

So if it is political to say that wearing a mask and social distancing and restricting driving and restricting bars and restaurants is a measure to defeat a pandemic, then yes this is a political post. But it is not a political post, it is about the science of covid-19 and why it works to restrict driving in Costa Rica. It has worked from the beginning, and therefore Costa Rica has a very low incidence of cases and deaths from covid.

Samramon, I am not going to argue with you here. This site is for the information exchange, not for political discussions or all sorts of propaganda. If you want to get the knowledge outside of the government paid sources you may have a look at Reiner Fuellmich’s website and check his interviews. He leads a case for Crime Against Humanity along with about 300 lawyers around the world.

Henrych wrote:

Samramon, I am not going to argue with you here. This site is for the information exchange, not for political discussions or all sorts of propaganda. If you want to get the knowledge outside of the government paid sources you may have a look at Reiner Fuellmich’s website and check his interviews. He leads a case for Crime Against Humanity along with about 300 lawyers around the world.

You are right. This site is not for spreading propaganda.

Yet you called covid a bioweapon, of which there is absolutely zero evidence of from any reliable source. That would be conspiracy theory propaganda.

I will look up this person you mentioned, but frankly I am skeptical.

I don't go to lawyers for my scientific education. I go to virologists and doctors , science .

Covid should never be and should never have been politicized! That's why it is still out of control in the world. Polio was never politicized, and people took the vaccine, and polio was ended. That is how science works.

Unfortunately politics has interfered with that simple scientific process.

Polio is a vaccine. This stuff is not. As to virologists, you can find Michael Yeadon interviews (used to be a Phizer VP) on Bitchute and other sites. MMS are hiding his interviews. There are many virologist and microbiologists, who are being silenced. Yes, listen to scientists but use your discretion. There are no consp. theories anymore, there are obvious facts.

The driving restrictions do not keep people from meeting in groups nor going to parks restaurants malls, shopping even clubs that are secretly open past 9:00 pm
People just travel in others ways
May be it keeps the older retired people home or the ones who stopped living life over fear of Covid
This driving restrictions does nothing but hurt people trying to earn a living
We used this technique 30 years ago in the US when we had a gas shortage and people started robbing gas from other peoples cars
It’s the blind leading the blind here I feel sometimes
Look more at the corruption going on here rather then judge whose opinion counts with this Covid stuff

San Ramon all 3 vaccines are readily available to anyone in the US and other countries
My Tica girl walk into a local Walmart in the States and In 15 minutes she had hers No one is jumping or cutting lines to get it it Available to All
We all have our right to decide if we want to inject our body’s with this potion so don’t judge anyone who decides not to get vaccinated
No supporting  data shows that it works long term
Or what the long term side effect will be
I am totally against it I do believe it was Hyped up for political reasons
I do understand and my condolences to people who lost love ones
But we all forget that flu kills many each year as does heart disease , cancer, suicide and car wreck an many other daily encounters do
Shit I read once gardening and yard work kills 50,000 humans a year
We haven’t locked down or stopped the world over these issues we work through it

CR is a great place we all know it but I believe it’s a helpful thing when we also share the negative issues here so newbies don’t think they are entering a country of paradise with no evil lurking.  Now that wouldn’t be fair
I see a lot of positive posting here and that is why this forum was started to help others thinking about making the leap All the good and the bad Costa Rica has to offer

I'm sure you'll say this link is "fake news" but it's not. I did research on this guy months ago.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pfize … -vaccines/
"Michael Yeadon last worked at Pfizer a decade ago, and was never the company's "chief scientist." His anti-vaccine argument relies on predictions that never panned out..."

If you research Michael Yeadon on the internet you will find that he has an anti vaxxer and there are very few legitimate (non-anti-vaxer) websites that support him and his radical views.

"LONDON (Reuters) - Late last year, a semi-retired British scientist co-authored a petition to Europe's medicines regulator. The petitioners made a bold demand: Halt COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials....

They speculated, without providing evidence, that the vaccines could cause infertility in women...

Social media quickly spread exaggerated claims that COVID-19 jabs cause female infertility. "

You can always find a conspiratorial view of anything if you look hard enough. What makes more sense to me is to look at what the majority of scientists say, not what 1 or even four or five radical ones say. I look for the consensus of top scientists, not one or two anti-vaxxer types.

I asked myself,"could Michael Yeadon be correct?" I do the research, reading many articles on both sides, and I come to the conclusion that it is very unlikely he is correct and everyone else is wrong.

JBuonopane12 wrote:

The driving restrictions do not keep people from meeting in groups nor going to parks restaurants malls, shopping even clubs that are secretly open past 9:00 pm
People just travel in others ways
May be it keeps the older retired people home or the ones who stopped living life over fear of Covid
This driving restrictions does nothing but hurt people trying to earn a living
We used this technique 30 years ago in the US when we had a gas shortage and people started robbing gas from other peoples cars
It’s the blind leading the blind here I feel sometimes
Look more at the corruption going on here rather then judge whose opinion counts with this Covid stuff

San Ramon all 3 vaccines are readily available to anyone in the US and other countries
My Tica girl walk into a local Walmart in the States and In 15 minutes she had hers No one is jumping or cutting lines to get it it Available to All
We all have our right to decide if we want to inject our body’s with this potion so don’t judge anyone who decides not to get vaccinated
No supporting  data shows that it works long term
Or what the long term side effect will be
I am totally against it I do believe it was Hyped up for political reasons
I do understand and my condolences to people who lost love ones
But we all forget that flu kills many each year as does heart disease , cancer, suicide and car wreck an many other daily encounters do
Shit I read once gardening and yard work kills 50,000 humans a year
We haven’t locked down or stopped the world over these issues we work through it

CR is a great place we all know it but I believe it’s a helpful thing when we also share the negative issues here so newbies don’t think they are entering a country of paradise with no evil lurking.  Now that wouldn’t be fair
I see a lot of positive posting here and that is why this forum was started to help others thinking about making the leap All the good and the bad Costa Rica has to offer

Are you seriously going to consider 50000 people dying from gardening and yard work in comparison to the millions of people who died from covid? 600,000 now in the USA alone!

And yes, in the very beginning before the vaccine was available to everyone, Republican politicians were jumping in line ahead of other people to get the vaccine, even after their dear leader told them that covid was nothing to worry about. Like I said even he admitted he downplayed the danger of covid to the American public.

And of course limiting people to drive does prevent more people from congregating. Sure some people can cheat. But overall it limits the amount of people in town at a given time. I have seen it myself on days that I go 2 San Ramon and find much less foot traffic and car traffic.

Do you honestly believe that the government of Costa Rica is going to limit people driving just so they can make money off of fines? While hurting the economy?
Yes, it hurts the economy. But is necessary to prevent covid from killing more people and filling up the hospitals as it recently has done! Icu's being full is the reason they have to take these measures! You you seem to be closed-minded to this so there is no point in talking about it. And you are not going to convince me either of your wild ideas.

I respectfully say that we must agree to disagree.

100% your government makes my old days living in Jersey being the most corrupt State in America look like Alter boys
Government here runs on Greed
Get real fella
Driving restrictions do nothing but make tico turn to crime

and yes Fake news is REAlL my friend. CNN is the main Bullshitter in this

Just some numbers for you Mr. Covid Expert
1.35 million death related to car accidents
650 thousand deaths from common flu
HIV. 36 Million
Suicide 700,000 a year Mental and life issues caused by financial struggles

Like a said preventing people from Drive does absolutely nothing but hurt them financially
18 to 30 years older are out and about hanging at clubs and Speak easy joints to early morning hours
Shopping malls and restaurants here a full
No one is staying home because of. Odd or even # on one plates. Most Gringos and Ticos have 2 or more cars
Hey I have two cars guess what I have both ofd and even plates
Plan Is a failure it only prompts more crime

If they were smarter and not corrupt they would not be one of the few countries not requiring a negative Covid test for entry but instead whacks the tourist $10 bucks a day for. Health pass. Like I said before Mr Smart guy.  Now listen.  Chaaaaa- Chinggggggg

But it’s all good I am dealing with the knuckleheads here and enjoying my CR lifestyle

Pura   Vida my peoples

Are you looking up the information you post or do you just pull it out of your a--?, or repeating what you hear on Fox News?

So here is a correction to your above post. The number of deaths from common flu in the United States every year for the past many years is between 22,000 and 66,000 deaths.
The pandemic covid-19 has killed 600,000 PEOPLE - human beings with lives, with friends and family! - in the usa since around March of 2020. I will assume you can do the math to make that annual.

Clue: It's a lot more than 22,000 people killed by the flu in 2019. Covid killed over 500,000 Americans in 2020. And from then to now it is over 600,000 PEOPLE KILLED IN THE USA ALONE.
Above stats from:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccar … fographic/

World wide 2021 has seen more deaths from covid then in all of 2020 and we are only halfway through 2021. This is because countries like India have not been able to get enough vaccine.

"The Journal reported that about 1,880,000 deaths from COVID-19 were recorded in 2020. As of Thursday, the figure for 2021 was about 1,884,000, with more than half the year still to come."
That is 3 million, 764 thousand PEOPLE dead from Covid total so far.
https://www.businessinsider.com/more-co … 020-2021-6

(To those following this debate, their next usual argument will be that these coronavirus deaths numbers are made up; that doctors and nurses lie about whether or not covid killed them or something else did.
Millions of doctors apparently are in on the conspiracy according to anti-vaxxers and right wing conspiracy believers... To people who buy into The Conspiracy, deaths from covid is all made up so that governments all over the world can clampdown on individual rights, even if it means they destroyed the economy of a country in the meantime. If you think that's logical or reasonable, then go ahead and believe it.)

you are wasting your time.

Henrych wrote:

you are wasting your time.

I don't consider it a waste of time to correct grievous errors online. Sources of disinformation or misinformation re Covid is a cause of more people not getting vaxxed, thus contributing to the pandemic's continuation.

We will never end this pandemic if enough people don't do their civic duty and help by getting vaccinated. Polio was stopped by people getting vaccinated against it. This is a virus not like polio but the concept is the same: The vaccines will stop the spread of a horrible disease.

the vaccine is about 95% effective in the case of Pfizer, meaning your chances of hospitalization or death are super low after getting double vaccinated.

People all over the world are threatened by covid-19 and variants, and many people are hoping to just get the vaccine. Yet some people believe it is a hoax or dangerous etc. WITHOUT EVIDENCE and won't take it, thus emboldening the continued threat of Covid all over the world.

If there is a legit health reason not to get vaxxed, such as having a low immune system, that's one thing, but to say it's "too experimental", "It's not really a vaccine", "it's dangerous", etc is counter-productive to ending the pandemic. And wrong-headed and selfish in my humble opinion. Although it was put on a fast track of testing, all tests WERE DONE just like any other vaccine. Right, it's an RNA vaccine, not like the others, yet this has been studied for a long time.

Ask the millions who are dying in India if the pandemic is a hoax or if the vaccine isn't a good thing.
They - as well as millions in poor countries who can't get it yet, around the world - are clamoring for the vaccine, to save the lives of themselves and their loved ones.

The vaccine will save millions more lives if people will just get vaccinated with Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer or Moderna (the rest seem less effective and/or less secure, though not dangerous). If all I had as an option was Astra Seneca or a Chinese one, I'd take it. Luckily I got the Pfizer.

My personal recommendation to all
TOURISTS AND FUTURE EXPATS:
Please Get Vaccinated Before Coming To Costa Rica!

Henrych wrote:

Polio is a vaccine. This stuff is not. As to virologists, you can find Michael Yeadon interviews (used to be a Phizer VP) on Bitchute and other sites. MMS are hiding his interviews. There are many virologist and microbiologists, who are being silenced. Yes, listen to scientists but use your discretion. There are no consp. theories anymore, there are obvious facts.

I checked these people out because I am open minded.
I found the information to lack scientific merit, and no legit web sites are even reporting on these conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxers.

Not because they are "the real truth" and no one wants the "real truth" to get out. But rather, the Science does not validate their hypotheses and they are spreading false information which is exactly what no responsible journalist or newspaper or news source wants to endorse.

C'mon guys (Henrych & Samramon), you've both verbalized your point of view to the extreme. As for posting info we all could benefit from, you have achieved this.

PLEASE no more quarreling... you're tainting this site with combative exchange.

OK. As long as wrong stats are not given. In which case I will correct them.

Good deal!

Thanks Samramon
:  )

No Mr know it
They are facts
But as always you are an expert in CR living, Covid and politics

You are the smartest chic or Dude in all of CR and Us

Your problem is you challenge everyone in the group which just is outright annoying

Thanks for educating us in Nothing SanRonni

You are the person who stopped your life for a stronger strain of a flu

But keeping believing in the fake news
And I agree the driving restrictions do save lives .., traffics deaths is what it is help lower
Nothing to do with congregating

JBuonopane12 wrote:

You are the person who stopped your life for a stronger strain of a flu

But keeping believing in the fake news
And I agree the driving restrictions do save lives .., traffics deaths is what it is help lower
Nothing to do with congregating

I see no more reason to engage with you here on this entire forum unless you post lies again re stats that are provable, (as I did above) in which case I'll correct them with links to sources.

I agree with Tsaheylu22 that it is pointless to argue with  you here. Or anywhere else. So I'm done as of now.

I've mostly learned not to argue with anti-vaxxers, those who say Covid is "nothing" or "just a flu that will disappear soon. Like a miracle! You'll see!" LOL) and/or Trump cult members.
No point to it.

But sometimes I get sucked in to it. LOL.

I'll be more vigilant about not engaging.

Anyway am unsubscribing to this thread and if this continues in this vein on other threads in this forum I'll just quit the forum and leave it to you right wingers to spout your nonsense. Would be a pity but honestly I am just as tired of it as Tsaheylu22 is.

Anyway this is my last post here on this thread and I'll try hard not to engage with you folks on other threads. Have fun.

As for me also
It gets exhausting calling some out on the carpet

It’s been entertaining with your opinions
Peace out Fella

Warning! All vaccines for the China virus is tainted but don't let that stop you. Hell,  there's to many of you on this earth anyway, take it. Bunch of sheep

Qanon is calling and it wants its representative back.......you've been in CR long enough, now back to the US with you and your extremist alt-right opinions which is all they are.NOT FACT

There are lots of Drs and Scientists around the world fighting the lockdowns, restrictions and vaccines. You cant find them because most of them have been blocked by media and in Canada our government. Any professionals in their fields that speak out risk losing their licenses and careers and being  totally discredited and made to look like they are wearing tinfoil hats. In Canada the govt has gagged all health care professionals and the mainstream media so that nobody can say anything that contradicts the WORLD narrative. The Liberal government is also trying to pass bill C 10 which will enable them to control what we can say and view online. That is totally unprecedented in Canada and free speech is fundamental to a democracy. Canada seems to be becoming more authoritarian in nature. I think I understand now what the bible means when it says the meek shall inherit the earth. It doesn't really specify exactly what KIND of earth you will be inheriting though.
Awakecanada.org
Childrenshealthdefense
FLCCC

And the "mark of the beast". I guess those stupid will go first.....

Its nice to hear from a physician! Thats no longer possible in Canada without risking their license and their reputation.  I have heard CR plans on vaccinating everyone. Is that true? If so we will not be coming.

I feel this all relevant though because we are all coming from somewhere and I know Im looking for honest feedback about how things are in CR. I loved how it was pre-covid but the world has changed.

You aren't the only one concerned. Taking into account the speed things are being done in CR, it'll take another quarter of a century. Meanwhile things change. I wouldn't be scared of that. I have the same concern but will be arriving in August from Canada. It also depends where you live in CR. The further from SJ the better. Besides, there are people in CR able to critically think.