Getting worse - Breakout at Hospital for Tropical Disease

i don't know why people think that getting the vaccine will prevent catching the virus. the vaccine will only serve to reduce the severity of the flu when you do get it. there is no such thing as something that prevents you from getting covid at all.

dionstravels wrote:

i don't know why people think that getting the vaccine will prevent catching the virus. the vaccine will only serve to reduce the severity of the flu when you do get it. there is no such thing as something that prevents you from getting covid at all.

Untrue.  The vaccine can prevent catching COVID-19 at least some of the time, and if you catch it, it should reduce the severity since your immune system is already prepped for it.  It doesn't guarantee that you won't ever catch COVID-19 -- that's what the effectiveness ratings are about.  If you're exposed multiple times, the likelihood of escaping infection decreases, but it is not zero.  It depends on your immune system's reaction to the vaccine. 

No, COVID-19 is not flu.  Please don't post false information.

In India, what we have seen is even after two doses of AstroZeneca OR home grown COVAXIN OR Russian Sputnik, people do get infected. Most contract only mild infection with need home quarantine and some needs to be hospitalized and even supplemented with oxygen due to drop in SPO2 levels. However, 99.5% of such cases escape the stage of ventilator and ICU.

gobot wrote:

Folks I predict this event will get world coverage.
So far reported earlier today
https://nld.com.vn/suc-khoe/53-nhan-vie … 341682.htm
yesterday https://suckhoedoisong.vn/22-nhan-vien- … 94914.html

This is one of 3 hospitals in Saigon designated to care for Chinese coronavirus patients in current outbreak. The new inside cases are reported to have come from an employee, not from patients. Who knows.

All the direct hospital employees were tested Friday and Saturday. Using a pcr test that detects some level of virus cells in the body, earlier than antibody tests would be accurate.  Two days ago there were 3 positives, yesterday 11, this morning 53 total ("reported" numbers, omitting at least 2 more to prevent panic).  Next employee test will be in 5 days.

Not reported is that all the employees (except a few holdouts) had AstroZeneca immunizations in March, all received their 2nd dose before end of April. Two months to build antibodies. What happened?

Every day in the news we see a case where a random vaccinated person tests positive. Yesterday a cruise boat in St Martin had 2 passengers out of 1200 test positive.  Because none of the vaccines claim absolute prevention, it is more about reducing severity. But 53 (going to 100?) cases out of 800 immunized people is a huge cluster, and I predict world news will be asking AstroZeneca to investigate.
Could be implications. 

*I think* that being vaccinated does not prevent someone from being a "carrier" of the virus.

I don't know that as a "fact", but based on recent news reports I've seen, nobody else knows for sure either.

But it makes sense within my years of healthcare critical thinking.

The vaccines act to buffer and boost the immune system, to lessen or block any reaction to the virus, but there isn't any magical vaccine property that zaps the virus when it comes into contact with a vaccinated individual.

It's going to be very important for someone to figure this out officially and scientifically soon, because in a society that has zero tolerance for anyone testing positive, the draconian lockdowns and quarantine detentions could otherwise be perpetuated for years.

I *think*.

What does you Doctor wife think, my friend?

It does sound more like a band-aid approach than a proper cure.

I only trust the Moderna shot I think the AstraZeneca shot was only one shot the Moderna shot and the Pfizer shots are two I think they are the best I had the Moderna shot though, I have had no issues and I had the virus before I got the shot but I had no issues with the virus or the shot and I have medical conditions and I’m doing very well I will only trust those two shots.

Thanh6161 wrote:

I only trust the Moderna shot I think the AstraZeneca shot was only one shot the Moderna shot and the Pfizer shots are two I think they are the best I had the Moderna shot though, I have had no issues and I had the virus before I got the shot but I had no issues with the virus or the shot and I have medical conditions and I’m doing very well I will only trust those two shots.

Same as Moderna and Pfizer, a full AstraZeneca dosage consists of two shots, 0.5ml each, to be injected with an interval of 8 to 12 weeks.

Johnson & Johnson is the only vaccine that doesn't require the second shot.

Any clue if we will or can get PFIZER in VN ?

maurora5 wrote:

Any clue if we will or can get PFIZER in VN ?

The first shipment is on its way to TSN.  It'll be available for pre-subscribed Vung Tau residents immediately after arrival.

Is it the Pfizer vaccine  coming through to it VN

I really don't understand the rush to get an experimental vaccine. it's like beta testing a new product, you know there's going to be bugs in it and all the bugs won't be fixed until a few iterations down the line.

dionstravels wrote:

I really don't understand the rush to get an experimental vaccine. it's like beta testing a new product, you know there's going to be bugs in it and all the bugs won't be fixed until a few iterations down the line.

They are not experimental -- they have merely been authorized for emergency use, which is not at all the same thing.   None of the science in either of the two types of vaccine is experimental -- viral vector vaccines have been used successfully before, and the mRNA process of the others has been around for several years.  Pfizer already applied for full approval in May and Moderna in June,  and they will get it soon.  Stop promoting false fears.

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

... because in a society that has zero tolerance for anyone testing positive, the draconian lockdowns and quarantine detentions could otherwise be perpetuated for years.

That right there.
And I don't know of any country that is more fearful, does more mass testing of citizens, and is less tolerant of positive sars2 tests, than Vietnam. What vaccination-percentage goal will be sufficient for the party to open borders? There will be new hotspots.

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

What does you Doctor wife think, my friend?

She is happy to have escaped the 900 staff roundup as she is not a direct hospital employee, her employer just has a building on the grounds. Pretty sure the hospital sent any F2s home, so it is now staffed by asymptomatic F0s and F1s.
Her whole office is home now, isolated for 3 weeks. We can't even travel because visitors from Saigon are shunned by other cities! We are lepers.