Extending tourist staying from 90 to 180 days - many doubts here

Welcome, Mexicansummer,
I believe you may apply for an extension. Since we are going into the holiday season, I would go before Christmas. Holidays and days after do get busy and you may have a long wait.
If asked as to the date of leaving I would say you are working with the airline to change your ticket.
You can use the rental address and maybe your girlfriend's, as said with the holidays the PF will have many things on their plate.
As to financial ability, your mother's card should work. (You have no family in BR so I would not state anything about supporting them. just say mom loaned it to you)
Good luck. Keep track of travel restrictions, so you do not overstay. (That is a headache and $$$)

When you show up to ask for an extension, they will give you a document list of all that you need.  If you do not have a credit card or proof of funds, the polícia federal will give your girlfriend a document to sign, stating she will be responsible for your upkeep.  Aside from that, the cost for prorrogation is right around R$110.

You likely will be required to show proof that your flight has been changed, or that you’ve purchased new tickets; that’s entirely up to the agent at the window.

My advice is to arrive VERY early to the delegacia so that in the event the PF ask for supporting documents, etc., you will have time to gather them and return.  There will probably be several very long lines, especially if you’re going to Lapa.

I agree totally with the others. When you go to the PF, have plans for your return trip home and yes, you could be asked about your funds and be ready to have your gf fill out the form for financial support.
The one big, big thing to keep in mind, the working attitude in Brazil around Christmas and New Years' changes.  This country loves the holiday and everyone wants to vacation, so go early, do not put this off.  December and January are tough months to get things done, from everywhere.

Hello, thanks a lot for your quick answers. I'm very grateful to all of you. I don't know if my girlfriend will be available to fill the document where she states being responsible for my expenses. We are kind of afraid of the legal consequences this may have. She's not going to pay for my expenses, that's something I can do but the problem is... If I ever end overstaying in Brazil (which is something i will try to avoid at any cost but it could happen), PF would have her data and this may lead to negative consequences for her. Is this likely possible?

So... Maybe showing my mom's card won't be accepted? Filling the form for financial support would be the only way to go? About the tickets, i think i will reach PF asap to explain them that I would like to know if it's possible to get the extension and then buy the ticket. The ticket is very expensive and I wouldn't like to be stuck in Brazil overstaying and spending a lot of money in the plane.

What could happen to her for filling the form?

I'm currently thinking about trying to do all I can to get a student visa before my tourist time is over and a the literal last option, I would overstay due to I want to stay here permanently. I know it sounds complicated due to the high prices of the fee for overstaying, but the price of coming here repeatedly during the next years is more expensive than paying the fee in a few years.

Is it possible that the fee will get interests after I reach the maximum of R 10,000 and not leave the country? Thank you a lot again.

When I (very happily) returned to Sao Paulo on Thursday, the immigration agent's last words were, "If you want to stay longer just go to the police at the airport. " What a delightful surprise. But I'm not sure when exactly she was referring to.

Last year I was "stuck" here and had to miss our Canadian winter (no sympathy from my kids!) That entailed getting an extension mid-February which was super easy. I seem to recall that I had to wait until I was 2 or 3 weeks away from my visa expiration BEFORE being allowed to apply. Is there still some sort of time limit?

How much funds is good enough proof ... $3000+ USD, for another 90days?

Dont risk it

Please share a copy of the form they give you with me please so I too may complete this form.

Have a watch, this guy is pretty good with all his Brazil videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avtv-dfxXnk

mexicansummer wrote:

Hello, thanks a lot for your quick answers. I'm very grateful to all of you. I don't know if my girlfriend will be available to fill the document where she states being responsible for my expenses. We are kind of afraid of the legal consequences this may have. She's not going to pay for my expenses, that's something I can do but the problem is... If I ever end overstaying in Brazil (which is something i will try to avoid at any cost but it could happen), PF would have her data and this may lead to negative consequences for her. Is this likely possible?

12/05/21
Negative consequences for her are very unlikely:   she'd only be taking responsibility for any bills you ran up in Brazil, but only if you didn't pay them, and only for this visit, not for the rest of your lives.

It's mostly a formality, so the PF have something in their files to show that you won't become an indigent foreigner and a charge of the Brazilian government.   If the PF won't accept your mother's card, ask them what alternate proofs of funds you can offer.  The Mexican Consulate may also have some suggestions; you're certainly not the first Mexican who's wanted a visa extension. 

To your last question: I have read several times (in these forums) that the accumulated interest is NOT limited to 10000 R$, only the fine itself is limited to 10k. So if you do overstay, and want to come back again, you should pay your fine as quickly as possible.

mexicansummer wrote:

Hello, thanks a lot for your quick answers. I'm very grateful to all of you. I don't know if my girlfriend will be available to fill the document where she states being responsible for my expenses. We are kind of afraid of the legal consequences this may have. She's not going to pay for my expenses, that's something I can do but the problem is... If I ever end overstaying in Brazil (which is something i will try to avoid at any cost but it could happen), PF would have her data and this may lead to negative consequences for her. Is this likely possible?

So... Maybe showing my mom's card won't be accepted? Filling the form for financial support would be the only way to go? About the tickets, i think i will reach PF asap to explain them that I would like to know if it's possible to get the extension and then buy the ticket. The ticket is very expensive and I wouldn't like to be stuck in Brazil overstaying and spending a lot of money in the plane.

What could happen to her for filling the form?

I'm currently thinking about trying to do all I can to get a student visa before my tourist time is over and a the literal last option, I would overstay due to I want to stay here permanently. I know it sounds complicated due to the high prices of the fee for overstaying, but the price of coming here repeatedly during the next years is more expensive than paying the fee in a few years.

Is it possible that the fee will get interests after I reach the maximum of R 10,000 and not leave the country? Thank you a lot again.

Got my interest waived,however a huge pain in the ass,threatening me w deportation because  their bank(safra) doesnt accept debit or credit cards, really dumb shit

12/06/21

mexicansummer wrote:

I'm currently thinking about trying to do all I can to get a student visa before my tourist time is over and a the literal last option, I would overstay due to I want to stay here permanently. I know it sounds complicated due to the high prices of the fee for overstaying, but the price of coming here repeatedly during the next years is more expensive than paying the fee in a few years.

Is it possible that the fee will get interests after I reach the maximum of R 10,000 and not leave the country? Thank you a lot again.

I would be shocked if you were able to obtain an Authorization for Residency for a course from the Federal Police without first having obtained a Student Visa abroad at a Brazilian Consulate.  Perhaps, if you find a school approved by the Ministry of Education that is willing to admit you, and also willing to go to bat for you with the Federal Police it might work, but I've never heard of it happening.  The only people I know of who have been able to bootstrap a Tourist Visa into Permanent Residency did it through Family Reunion:  either marrying a Brazilian, entering a civil union ("união estável") with a Brazilian, or having a Brazilian baby.  Make sure that you know if getting approval to stay for a course is even possible before you overstay.

The worst possible thing that you can do if you want to stay here permanently is to overstay your visa, especially for a long time.  That will place you far beyond considerations of fines and interest:  when you finally do go the Federal Police after that kind of an overstay, you will probably get an order to leave Brazil within one week or less, and may well be barred from the country for a time as well.  At that point even if you plan to marry a Brazilian, you will have to spend far more on lawyers to try to stay and do it than you would have spent on airline tickets and even fines to obey the law.

It is hard to overstate how seriously the Federal Police take Brazil's immigration laws.  They have no patience or sympathy for scofflaws, and you never want to be seen as one.

boombop4477 wrote:

Got my interest waived,however a huge pain in the ass,threatening me w deportation because  their bank(safra) doesnt accept debit or credit cards, really dumb shit

Speaking as a Brazilian citizen, all I can say is "our country, our rules":  obey them next time, and you won't have any problems. 

boombop4477 wrote:

Got my interest waived,however a huge pain in the ass,threatening me w deportation because  their bank(safra) doesnt accept debit or credit cards, really dumb shit

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Seriously?  You break the rules and laws of another country then complain about their very minor consequences?  The USA has a 10-year exclusion policy for breaking visa rules.  Yes, that means they will deny entrance for 10-full-years after you pay their fines.

boombop4477 wrote:

Got my interest waived,however a huge pain in the ass,threatening me w deportation because  their bank(safra) doesnt accept debit or credit cards, really dumb shit

Safra is not a government bank, it is private, If the RF/PF cashiers are closed they may be used,

If you're looking into trying to get a student visa with relatively few questions asked, look into CENEX with UFMG. Their next intake will start in January for classes starting in March, which are online. The visa will start as soon as the PF approve your 'matricula', which you can receive in a matter of days upon completing registration. Their tuition fees are very low as well, about R$750. I know of people who did this and never even went to the classes and are now living here with a 12 month student visa, but don't seek to do this by default. If you can attend the classes as they are online, that's what I advise: the tuition process is just a matter of paying and not interviews. UFMG is a great university.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster honestly mate. I'm sure there are some people getting away with it for now but I know someone that runs an English school here and it was something I asked about 3 years ago and they said they can be randomly audited to make sure the students on visas are actually attending the classes, and if not, the school is f'd and the "student" deported essentially, so I'd be wary giving it out as 100% fool proof advice (or following it myself).

12/08/21

English Penguin wrote:

Sounds like a recipe for disaster honestly mate. I'm sure there are some people getting away with it for now but I know someone that runs an English school here and it was something I asked about 3 years ago and they said they can be randomly audited to make sure the students on visas are actually attending the classes, and if not, the school is f'd and the "student" deported essentially, so I'd be wary giving it out as 100% fool proof advice (or following it myself).

⬆️ That!

Especially for someone who hopes to eventually live in Brazil permanently,  trying to play fast and loose with the immigration laws is a fool's game, and everyone who runs a legitimate school knows that.

Which leaves who? 

Its dumb,here i am trying to comply,pay the fine,and threatened me w deportation?Ruthless,why compare it to the US?If its dumb,its dumb,are people supposed to carry suitcases of money to pay a fine?

Being deported is not a minor consequence

boombop4477 wrote:

Being deported is not a minor consequence

Well . . . Then it seems to me that the wisest thing to do is comply 100% with the laws and regulations of the land. No fine. No deportation. No problem.

Dumb is dumb.

My fine was due to covid,guess that never hit brazil

12/08/21

boombop4477 wrote:

Its dumb,here i am trying to comply,pay the fine,and threatened me w deportation?Ruthless,why compare it to the US?If its dumb,its dumb,are people supposed to carry suitcases of money to pay a fine?

"Don't overstay your visa" and "have cash to pay your fines" are two of the simplest rules in Brazil.  If they already have you stumped, believe me, you're not going to be happy here, because things only get more complicated going forward. 

Brazil isn't going to change to fit you; if you can't or won't adjust to fit it, going home would qualify as a win/win.

In brazil,eary things r impossible, impossible things r easy

boombop4477 wrote:

Dumb is dumb.

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Then obey their very simple rules.  They have no secrets, they hide nothing, all of the dates are tracked by computer, so it is all so very, very simple. Just wait until you want to buy a car, own property, or begin to pay taxes. Ask about the rules to own your own business.  If you think this part has been tough, you have not seen anything yet.

Has nothing to do w any infractions,just carry loads of cash to pay any multas,their preferred method of payment,even Brazilians complain of illogical Brazilian bureaucracy

12/08/21

boombop4477 wrote:

Has nothing to do w any infractions,just carry loads of cash to pay any multas,their preferred method of payment,even Brazilians complain of illogical Brazilian bureaucracy

Ignoring the Ugly American aspect (I begin to understand the deportation threat, though, which was rather unusual in this situation), you actually handled it pretty well, under the circumstances:

- you enlisted the airline, which was smart, both because they know how to talk to people, and because they'd be on the hook to take you back if you were denied admission.  You may not have been entirely clear on their liability,  but you can be sure that they were.

- in the end, you had the cash, which was provident of you. 

Whatever small exchange loss you had at that "terrible" rate can be considered tuition in the School of Cause and Effect.

One last point:    nobody was fined in  Brazil "for covid", in the sense of fined for overstaying because they wouldn't be admitted to their home country before their visa expired.  The PF were quite liberal with extensions for that, and extended anyone who went to them before committing the violation.  People did get fined for personal decisions, like overstaying before the borders were closed and THEN not being able to return, or continuing to overstay after the grace period ended.  Personal decisions, personal responsibility.

At SDU and GIG,U dont even talk to The PF,everything handled by airline personnel of PF assistants, can of worms,be prepared 4 anything, I overstayed because of covid,not a covid fine

12/08/21

boombop4477 wrote:

At SDU and GIG,U dont even talk to The PF,everything handled by airline personnel of PF assistants, can of worms,be prepared 4 anything, I overstayed because of covid,not a covid fine

If you were unable to travel because you tested positive for covid or were diagnosed with an active covid infection, and had not already overstayed when you were tested/diagnosed you should not have been fined.

Brazil=industria d multas