Russian Comedy

@Lat61 Yes, I tend to agree with you but I also think the US ahould stay out of this regional border war. There is no upside. Throughout much of history, "the" Ukraine was a part of Russia. This is not our problem but it is a good way for certain defense industries and elites to make a lot of money while at the same time exposing the planet to a nuclear conflict. In the US we need to vote in a candidate in 2024 that is not beholden to the military industrial complex and the WEF. Doing that might avoid a large scale theromnuclear war.The current president, at his age and cognitive status, doesn't seem to care anymore.

I don't think the world should let bigger countries bully smaller countries for any reason. There's a thing called voting, let the citizens decide. As far as nuclear war, Putin has children too. On Bidens cognitive status, IMO only haters think he's senile. Old yes, but better than the other options.

@Lat61 Yes, I tend to agree with you but I also think the US ahould stay out of this regional border war. There is no upside.
-@danfinn

Apart from $15 billion + in armaments sales and the ability to sell expensive US shale gas in place of far cheaper Russian natural gas, I agree.

The comedy here is so many people actually believe the US is being nice.

Of course, that doesn't excuse Putin in any way, but the cash being made out of the war is extending civilian suffering. Add we now have a strong idea the US destroyed Russian gas pipelines (an act of war), and we have a nut on one side and a corrupt liar on the other.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-b … -s730dnnfz

US bombed Nord Stream gas pipelines, claims investigative journalist Seymour Hersh

I tend to take these types of stories as unreliable, but Hersh was the one who uncovered the My Lai Massacre - a massive rape and murder war crime - so his words have weight.

@Lat61 Yes, I tend to agree with you but I also think the US ahould stay out of this regional border war. There is no upside.
-@danfinn

Apart from $15 billion + in armaments sales and the ability to sell expensive US shale gas in place of far cheaper Russian natural gas, I agree.

The comedy here is so many people actually believe the US is being nice.

Of course, that doesn't excuse Putin in any way, but the cash being made out of the war is extending civilian suffering. Add we now have a strong idea the US destroyed Russian gas pipelines (an act of war), and we have a nut on one side and a corrupt liar on the other.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-b … -s730dnnfz

US bombed Nord Stream gas pipelines, claims investigative journalist Seymour Hersh


I tend to take these types of stories as unreliable, but Hersh was the one who uncovered the My Lai Massacre - a massive rape and murder war crime - so his words have weight.
-@Fred

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I was waiting for Fred to show up.

I was waiting for Fred to show up.
-@Enzyte Bob

Yes, I'm very sorry to mention the My Lai Massacre as it's terribly anti-American to mention US war crimes. However, in my defence, I skipped the bit where they let off all the US soldiers who raped and murdered children.

No, I tell a lie, one got a little house arrest, then was let off after a presidential pardon.

Still, it needed a quick note as the same guy who managed to expose the US government's latest act of war exposed the rapes and murders as well. That, as I mentioned, gives his words more weight than I would usually apply to such stories.

On a more serious note - the assertion there is nothing to be gained from this war is well and truly wrong as there's a lot of cash at stake including oil sales, gas sales, and the US armaments making $billions.

Once again I would like to apologise for mentioning proven and undisputed history. I know it's anti-American so should be re-written immediately. A few journalists need arresting as well. Imagine having the cheek to report the truth - Disgusting!

Fred said . . . .Yes, I'm very sorry to mention the My Lai Massacre as it's terribly anti-American to mention US war crimes.

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That happened 55 years ago, is that the best you can do. I seem to recall thousands of being mast murdered, even hundred of thousands, yes even millions.

How about a little history of your homeland Indonesia. There was the Indonesian Genocide between Oct 1965 and March 1966. Five hundred thousand to one million Indonesians were murdered.

Some estimates as many as 2,000,000 to 3,000,000.

@Fred My Lai was one thing but how about the indonesian genocide in East Timor for which your adopted country is responsible. From yale.edu:

"Indonesia’s military dictatorship invaded the small territory of East Timor (then Portuguese Timor) in December 1975. Up to a fifth of the East Timorese population perished during Indonesia’s 24-year occupation (1975-1999), a similar proportion to the Cambodians who died under the Khmer Rouge regime of Pol Pot (1975-1979). As Indonesian forces finally left the territory in 1999, they massacred over a thousand civilians and burned down eighty percent of the buildings in the country."

It appears that your adopted homeland has a long and storied history of genocide similar to Pol Pot's Cambodia or various African dictatorships. Not sure I would want to live there.

@Fred My Lai was one thing but how about the indonesian genocide in East Timor for which your adopted country is responsible.
-@danfinn

I looked at this some while ago, then looked at who supported the coup that brought that particular president to power, and who armed and funded the war.

I may be considered anti-American to mention who that was, so I will refrain.

Of course the US invasion of Vietnam was a very long time ago, and there were no WMD there, so the US now arms and trains the evil communists who killed many thousands of US troops and forced them into a humiliating defeat.

Perhaps we could go to

Abu Ghraib - Is that in date enough?

Fred said . . . I looked at this some while ago, then looked at who supported the coup that brought that particular president to power, and who armed and funded the war. I may be considered anti-American to mention who that was, so I will refrain.

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When posters constantly prove Fred wrong constantly. . . . . He won't man up, instead changes the subject.

When posters constantly prove Fred wrong constantly. . . . . He won't man up, instead changes the subject.
-@Enzyte Bob

Ah, the dream argument.

After the US suffered a stunning defeat and seriously embarrassing running away from Vietnam, the US needed a new friend in the region.

The expected (but failed) expectations of large oil reserves in the area, not to mention a lot of arms sales, the US supported a dictator.

Of course, unlike the Vietnamese communists who kicked the US forces collective arses, the US didn't send troops into Tim Tim, just supplied the weapons.

I suppose they were scared of another crushing defeat.

Look up  'Henry Kissinger - policy of silence" and you'll find it.

I looked at this some while ago, then looked at who supported the coup that brought that particular president to power, and who armed and funded the war.

I may be considered anti-American to mention who that was, so I will

Ab

-@Fred

No Fred, you are misleading. East Timor was created by UN mandate no matter who Indonesia's president was. The US and UN membership supported the new East Timor nation. You are going out of your way to try to make the US responsible for the indonesian genocides. Your logic just doesn't follow.

No Fred, you are misleading. East Timor was created by UN mandate no matter who Indonesia's president was. The US and UN membership supported the new East Timor nation. You are going out of your way to try to make the US responsible for the indonesian genocides. Your logic just doesn't follow.
-@danfinn

Not at all, but I did mention the US supplied most of the weapons.

Come to think of it, they bombed Indonesia and murdered civilians in the hope of removing the sitting dictator and install democracy - ner, just joking - they did it to install their own dictator.

When a US terrorist who had just murdered civilians was shot down and captured, they were forced to stop so they (and the British) set up a propaganda war.

Odd as it might seem, the US has been involved in almost every war since 1945, either starting it, supporting a side, or supplying weapons. It is also the only nation to have been in a state of war with someone from 1947 to today without a break. and It started a good number of them.

We could play a game of 'name a war the US hasn't been involved in since 1945' but I warn you I have played before and nobody has managed to beat me. On the bright side, there have been a few things in Africa and so on the US had absolutely nothing to do with so I'll concede them before we start.

PS - Don't mention the Falklands thing - Most cite it as an example of a non-US  involved war but are shocked to find out they're wrong.

danfinn. . .

How can you expect a cognizant answer from a man who has 20 year old underwear probably with skid marks.

Stop the personal attacks.

danfinn. . .
How can you expect a cognizant answer from a man who has 20 year old underwear probably with skid marks.
-@Enzyte Bob

Nobody who has no knowledge of the Philippines who speaks on political terms should have the right to censor a Pinay forum regardless of the age of their underwear, especially if it has racing stripes.

danfinn said. . . Nobody who has no knowledge of the Philippines who speaks on political terms should have the right to censor a Pinay forum regardless of the age of their underwear, especially if it has racing stripes.

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danfinn said. . . Nobody who has no knowledge of the Philippines who speaks on political terms should have the right to censor a Pinay forum regardless of the age of their underwear, especially if it has racing stripes.
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-@Enzyte Bob

Since the thread is about Russia, perhaps it should be deleted in order to stick to your rules.

danfinn said. . . Nobody who has no knowledge of the Philippines who speaks on political terms should have the right to censor a Pinay forum regardless of the age of their underwear, especially if it has racing stripes.
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-@Enzyte Bob

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Since the thread is about Russia, perhaps it should be deleted in order to stick to your rules.
-@Fred

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Fred read number four.

Hello everyone,

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