A Gringo's Survival Guide to Brazil

James · 2011-09-05T01:12:23+02:00

http://9imb150dy03dci7w3gxvi91b.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/survival-guide.jpgA Gringo’s Survival Guide to Brazil (or everything you ever wanted to know about life in Brazil and couldn’t find out) Note: This article was edited on 04/05/2012 to include a much needed section on Driving Safety Information. I’ve lost count of the many times I have seen postings asking about crime, violence and security here in Brazil... so I am submitting this posting in order to answer the questions that many of you seem to have and hopefully allay many of your fears by giving practical tips and information on how to stay safe. Crime and violence are everywhere, not just here in Brazil. I have lived in São Paulo and several other cities here in Brazil. Despite the fact that it is the fourth largest city in the world and largest in South America it is certainly nowhere near as bad as the situation in Rio de Janeiro. In fact, I have never had any problem in the years that I have lived in São Paulo, unlike other places where I´ve lived. I don’t mean to offend those of you who think Rio is “God’s gift to the world”, I respect you opinion, you can love Rio all you want, but you will never find me there… just to scary, unsafe for gringos and Brazilians alike. Certainly, you need to take precautions anywhere in Brazil in order not to MAKE yourself a target. To be truthful, most of the crimes here in Brazil are crimes of opportunity, careless victims making themselves stand out or look vulnerable. Follow the advice below and I´m sure you will, like me, be able to say 10 years from now that you too have never had a problem with crime and violence. SAFETY TIPS Learn and use only the Portuguese language in public... you will not stand out that way. Some people see foreigners either as hated invaders while others see them as easy marks. In most places if you speak Portuguese you will generally not get quoted the higher (exploitative) prices everyone here has for foreign tourists, Dress down / Dress Brazilian - shorts (baggies), sandals or flip-flops, T-shirts, tank tops, etc. are the ORDER OF THE DAY here. Do not wear expensive watches or other jewelry; don't carry expensive cameras out in the open. Get to know the city you will be living in, find out what areas you can frequent in safety any time day or night (these still exist) and which areas to avoid at night unless you are part of a group. Favelas, generally speaking gringos are not too welcome in nor would they venture into favelas unless they are accompanied by a Brazilian who either resides in, or has family in, the favela. If you do go into a favela NEVER TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH IN PUBLIC, this could be extremely dangerous. Avoid walking alone. Be it day or night you are always much safer if you are accompanied by others. You should avoid going out alone at night at all costs. Try always to walk on the left side of the street. Walk on the side of the street closest to oncoming traffic, not with your back to it. This affords you clear vision traffic movement and anything that might be suspicious. Remember that the vast majority of crimes are committed by those on motorcycles, so steer clear of motorcycles as much as possible. If one stops or slows down near you move quickly to a place of safety. It may be that a person is just looking for directions but you cannot afford to take that chance. Backpacks/Wallets - When in public crowded areas especially, turn your backpack around so that it is on your chest. Street thieves can open your backpack and remove its contents without you ever knowing it if you keep it on your back. Wallets should not be carried in the hip pocket of your pants for the same reason, if at all possible carry it in the front pocket or use a moneybelt. I have seen some interesting money pouches that look like a shoulder holster and are made to be worn under your shirt. If you have no other option than to carry your wallet in your hip pocket tightly wrap several large elastic bands around it, this will make it almost impossible for a pickpocket to remove it. You also may want to carry a "dummy wallet", one that contains copies of documents and a very small amount of cash, if someone wants to try and rob you turn over the "dummy" immediately and never resist. (Please try not to laugh too hard as the thief runs off with a couple of Brazilan Reais and a bunch of photocopies). Money - carry only as much money with you as you will need for what you plan doing, never carry large amounts of cash. Never take your wallet out and count your money in public, which is inviting trouble. If you are making a purchase have a bit more that you anticipate the price in your pocket, use that to pay for the purchase. Separate the cash you do carry, some in your wallet, some in your pocket, some inside your sock, etc. For large transactions/purchases use cash transfers, ATM or online deposits to the individual's account or banker'a checks (cheque administrativo). NEVER CARRY LARGE SUMS OF CASH IN PUBLIC. If you need to make large cash withdrawls at a bank do not use the ATM, go to the manager, explain the situation and arrange to have the money counted out and turned over to you either in a private area or at the very least in a plain envelope so not to attract attention. ATM transactions and credit/debit card transactions - NEVER use an ATM in an isolated area at night, if you need to make an ATM withdrawal at night look for a machine in a busy location such as a major gas station/convenience store. Avoid using ATMs in bank branches after normal banking hours and on weekends when organized groups of criminals tend to practice their frauds. During banking hours on weekdays most ATM transactions are safe, but you must take certain precautions. When you are keying in your PIN code ALWAYS hide the numbers you are entering (using your other hand), many machines have fake fronts installed that skim the magnetic info on your card when you put it in the card slot and a micro-camera positioned to see the keys you press when entering your PIN. If the ATM looks at all unusual or has anything you don't like the look of DON'T USE IT. Make sure there is nobody hanging around either outside or inside the bank watching those making transactions. When paying for anything by credit card, never let the card out of your sight. If a waiter or service station attendant has to swipe your card for the transaction and doesn't have a portable/wireless terminal then go with him or her to process the transaction. There are card readers that record your information and your card gets cloned. If the transaction is on the old paper forms, make sure to ask for the carbon paper and not leave it behind for somebody to read. If you are using an ATM at a bank branch and have the time it is always best to observe for a while first. Make sure there is nobody hanging around outside the bank or in the area around the ATMs. If there is somebody just hanging around in the lobby area and not actually waiting to use one of the machines he/she could be a spotter for somebody on the outside waiting to rob someone who withdraws a large amount of cash. Don't take any chances, in this case I would recommend finding an ATM in some other location. If someone seems really suspicious don't be afraid to call the police in order to have the individual checked out. Documents - make certified copies (at any Cartório) of all your important documents, passport, visa, birth certificate, etc. and carry only the certified copies around with you... your CPF or RNE and if you drive here in Brazil your license are about the only original documents you will need to carry with you. I have lived here for ten years now and never had any problems relating to using copies of documents. Remember that a lost or stolen passport can be a real big problem so leave it in a safe place. You may get hassled by an airline using a certified copy of your passport for national flights, like I was once, but you are only required to produce the original if you are flying internationally. Don’t let them b___ s_____ you into thinking otherwise. Any form of inter-city or interstate transportation requires that you produce ID, the law does not specify that it must be original, therefore a certified copy is acceptable. When I threatened to call the police in order to register a complaint which I would follow up with a claim against the airline for damages if I missed my plane, the certified copy of my passport suddenly became worth its weight in gold and I was allowed to board my flight without any further hassles. REMEMBER ONE CARDINAL RULE - NOTHING THAT YOU OWN IS MORE VALUABLE THAN YOUR LIFE AND HEALTH. If you find yourself in the unfortunate situation of being face-to-face with someone intent on robbing you do not react in any way. Comply immediately with whatever demand is made without any resistance or delay. Remain calm, talk in a calm manner and do not make any quick moves. Obviously this supposes you speak at least some Portuguese, but keep your hands in plain view and explain to the robber exactly what you are going to do before you do it... example: Ok, I'm going to reach into my back pocket and slowly take out my wallet. Remember that the robber will probably be even more nerveous than you are, you have to take control of the situation as best you can by remaining calm and making absolutely no noise or acting in any way that will startle or anger the robber. Lots of people are injured or killed because they delayed in doing what a thief wanted or because the made some sudden move which frightened or startled the robber. Don't make that mistake yourself. Dating and Sex in Brazil - Finding your "significant other" or just casual dating is not the problem here in Brazil. In fact, the only way you will not hook up with somebody is IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. The problem is to find the right people to date. While you are spending lots of money everybody loves you. I rarely drink and never go to bars, but it stands to reason that one would tend to meet a better class of people at church than in a bar. So think about where you meet a person and not just the person before you enter into any kind of relationship. Casual sex is something that is common in Brazil, especially between Brazilians and foreign tourists during Carnaval. Here it is even called "Amor de Carnaval" (summer love). Just remember, NEVER HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WITH ANYONE. I don't know about your moral beliefs, but speaking for myself when I entered into a long-term exclusive relationship I went and had HIV and STD tests, I then gave the printout of the test results to my partner. Having done this I also had no problem in asking for the same consideration. It is important to note that having sexual relations with anyone under the age of 18 years is a serious crime in Brazil, regardless of the circumstances. Prostitution is common place and it is especially important in tourist destinations on the coast not to become involved with anyone under the age of majority for two simple reasons - first the minor is immune from any criminal proceedings and may turn around and threaten to call the police in order to extort money out of you, and secondly if you get caught in a sweep or for any other reason you go straight to jail without passing GO while the minor gets a pat on the head and walks out the door. I've lived here in Brazil long enough to see that not all of those involved in juvenile prostitution have been forced into the life. Many enter the lifestyle by choice or because of lack of education/opportunity or financial need. I have lived in a number of tourist destinations and have seen this with my own eyes, unfortunately. This is the sad reality of Brazil and unfortunately "sexual tourism" is a constantly growing problem. If you are approached by someone who looks obviously too young it is much better to keep your distance and not take stupid chances. Follow these simple rules and you will be just fine and you'll love Brazil as much as I do. BRAZILIAN BUREAUCRACY Documents – aside from the foregoing information you must remember that this is a police state, you are required to carry photo identification and travel documents at all times (certified copies are sufficient). Unlike in other countries police in Brazil have the right to compel you to identify yourself whenever they wish. Don’t refuse to do so or you will find yourself in serious trouble. ******************************************** (Edit of Sept. 14/2014) Dealing with Brazilian Police - First of all remember that YOU AREN'T BACK HOME. While you certainly do have some rights, you do not have all the same rights and protections that you enjoy in your home country when it comes to encounters with Brazilian police. Brazilian police have the right to stop you anytime and anywhere without probable cause, demand you to identify yourself by producing documents and they have the right to ask you where you're going, what you're doing, why you're in that particular place... almost whatever they please, even if you are not detained or under arrest. THE CONCEPT OF PROBABLE CAUSE DOES NOT EXIST IN BRAZIL. Never under any circumstances argue with a police officer or refuse to comply with a direct order (whether it is a "legal" order or not), engage in name calling, etc., this will automatically be the likely cause of an arrest for "Desacato de Autoridade" (essentially contempt) or "Resistência" (resisting arrest). You need not be under investigation for any crime or even involved in any wrongdoing. Police in Brazil will often resort to provocations in order to elicit some reaction so they can then arrest you on a charge of "Desacato a Autoridade", be aware of this and simply never react in any way, not even if you are physically assaulted by a police officer. The proper action in this case would be to lodge a formal complaint with the Corregedoria da Policia and request to be taken to the Instituto Médico Legal to undergo a physical examination (Exame de corpo de delito). For example, if you're in a bar and a fight breaks out, the police will often detain everyone in the establishment and demand identification from all of them. OR If you're a passenger in a vehicle which the police stop for any reason, expect to be demanded to produce identification and questioned. They may also demand that you make a statement, however you do have the right to remain silent. If you're not involved and have done nothing wrong, I would personally recommend that you freely make the statement and not refuse to speak, this will often have very negative results as it will only convince the police here that you have something to hide. You do not have any protection against being physically searched by police and if you are operating a vehicle they will even search your vehicle. Don't try and interfere in any way. If arrested, you have the right to remain silent and the right to speak to a lawyer (not necessarily for free) and if you're a foreign national you have the right to have your Embassy/Consulate informed of your arrest. The police ARE NOT required to inform you of your rights, so don't think that just because they haven't done so that any statements you make or evidence they may gather will be inadmissable in court, you'd be thinking wrong. Police may not enter your home without either an Arrest Warrant (Mandado de Prisão) or a Search and Seizure Warrant (Mandado de Busca e Apreensão), unless they actually witness a crime taking place. They'll try and intimidate and bluff their way in anyway. Either way, if you let them in voluntarily or if you refuse, you're cooked. Any statements made and any evidence found will be used against you in court even absent any warrant and even resulting from an "illegal" search. If you refuse to let the police enter, you can also count on them simply surrounding your residence until they can obtain some kind of warrant. So, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you're in the unfortunate situation of having overstayed your visa and the police identify you for any reason at all, regardless of the fact that you've done nothing wrong and perhaps were only a witness; they are required to take you into custody and deliver you immediately to the Federal Police. This will certainly mean that you'll very shortly be on your way back home (at your own expense). (Edit of June 19, 2015) IF STOPPED BY POLICE WHILE DRIVING Roadblocks for checking documentation or breathalyzer tests are omnipresent all over Brazil. If you are waved over by an official or police officer at one of these roadblocks you MUST stop. Failing to do so will result in a police chase and the high risk of shots being fired. No matter what the circumstances are, no matter what you're doing, and even if it will result in arrest for the commission of some crime (like drinking or smoking marijuana while driving) STOP and take the consequences. It's far better to end up in custody than on an autopsy table, and the latter is a real possibility. http://www.policiacivil.sp.gov.br/portal/content/conn/dipolContent/uuid/dDocName%3aUCM_009687Rolling Traffic Stops: With the alarming rise in the number of false/cloned police vehicles (both marked and unmarked), there is NO GUARANTEE that the person trying to stop you is really a police officer. While such vehicles are generally being used to rob trucks carrying cargo, they are also sometimes used in carjackings and lightning kidnappings (sequestro relâmpago). What to do if what appears to be a police vehicle wants you to stop? At night or in areas without lots of movement, activate your hazard lights (to advise police that you intend to stop), pull as far to the right side of the road as possible, reduce your speed to a crawl, but do not stop until you are somewhere well lit and with plenty of witnesses around. By slowing down police can't say that you initiated a chase, and if you drive on slowly to a service station for example, they would find it impossible to claim you were attempting to flee. Unfortunately there is absolutely no control over the sale of police equipment, uniforms and other police parafrenalia in this country which makes it virtually impossible to believe what you see. Trust your gut instincts, if something seems the least bit "off" use the above tactic. I have seen photos of marked police vehicles in this country that even fool the police themselves. This photo is of a cloned unmarked car used in various crimes. In my time in Brazil I've seen false marked police vehicles which replicate exactly vehicles used by the Federal Police, Military Police and Civil Police. Scary, but all too common. ************************************************************ Tourist Visas http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u531/wjwoodward/visa_zpsf0e45487.jpg A tourist visa permits a stay of 90 days in Brazil, this may be extended (prorrogação de estado) for a further period of 90 days at the headquarters of the Federal police nearest where you live without having to first leave the country. A tourist visa thus permits a maximum stay of 180 days (6 months). This is now calculated on a rolling year (i.e. the 365 days previous to one's present entry into Brazil). Most tourist visas permit multiple entries in any given year. What happens in this case, the number of days of your previous stay(s), including both day of arrival and day of departure, is subtracted from 180 to determine the maximum stay for the current entry. If you are coming to Brazil for tourism or business purposes the citizens of many countries are exempt from the requirement to obtain a Brazilian visa. Check the link below; if you hold a passport from one of the countries on the list you do not need a visa. However, the time of your stay in Brazil is still the same as if you are traveling on a visa. http://www.brazilembassy.org.my/who_needs_a_visa.html (Please note that while this link is to the Brazilian Embassy in Malaysia, the list of countries exempt from visas is OFFICIAL) Permanent Visas – Permanent visas may be requested for various reasons, most commonly are: - based on having a Brazilian spouse (legally married) - based on a stable relationship (common law relationship – heterosexual or same-sex) - based on having a Brazilian child (biological or legally adopted) - retired persons who meet financial requirements Each of these categories has their own requirements; an internet search will give you the most current information for each one. Be aware that the permanency process is full of bureaucracy and takes forever to complete. Periods of up to two years or more are not uncommon. NOTE: You will need a healthy dose of patience whenever dealing with the Federal Police regarding any aspect of the permanency process since there is no single source of accurate information regarding the documents required or step-by-step instructions about any process. Due to the fact that most of the people that deal directly with the public (especially with foreigners) are not members of the Federal Police, but rather contracted employees from outside companies, they themselves do not have a clear understanding of the various procedured. Misinformation is commonplace, if you talk to ten different staff members you will get ten different versions of what you need or need to do. There is never a definite list of ALL of the documents you will require. (It seems they make it up as they go along.) Just when you think you have all the paperwork in order and go in and submit it you will most likely here, "Oh yes, and you will also need a ...... and also a ......, when you have it come back". This is extremely frustrating especially for those coming from countries that don't have a lot of bureaucracy. One thing to be very careful about, when they tell you that the signature on any document must be notarized (reconhecimento da firma) make sure to ask if it is to be notarized for authenticity (reconhecimento da firma por autenticidade) or just for likeness (reconhecimento da firma por semelhança) this is information that they will never just OFFER, you need to pry it out of them. In almost all cases when the Federal Police want a signature notarized it should be "reconhecimento da firma por autenticidade". RNE and Carteira de Identidade Estrangeiro http://arsaequietboni.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rne1.jpg You apply for these at the Regional Headquarters of the Federal Police, you may reserve a time and date in person or on the internet. Once you have entered the permanency process and applied for your RNE and CIE you will be issued a document called a SINCRE, this will allow you to apply for such things as your work book (Carteira de Trabalho) and to open a bank account. Without permanent status you cannot hold a bank account in Brazil. CPF (Cadastro de Pessoa Fisica) http://static.assimsefaz.com.br/images/3/71/994/271565/2/consultar-_1350560964521.jpg This document is like a Social Security number; however it is used for everything including your credit information. IT IS NOT PRIVILEGED INFORMATION IN ANY WAY. You can apply for your CPF at the post office, your passport will be sufficient identification for your application. You will be told that you have to go to the Receita Federal to finish the process, because you do not have a Brazilian Voter’s Card. This is absolutely one of the most important documents you will need to have… without a CPF you simply do not exist. At least the Invisible Man could wrap himself up like a mummy and be seen. Without a CPF even all the gauze in the world wouldn’t help. Work Book (Carteira de Trabalho) http://gazeta24horas.com.br/portal/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trabalho.jpgForeigners can only apply for their Carteira de Trabalho at the Regional Headquarters of the Ministry of Labor (in São Paulo it is located at Rua Martins Fontes, No. 109 – Centro). It is issued free of charge, you must supply a 3X4 photo and provide a copy of your SINCRE. Issue time varies from one location to another and depends on the daily demand. Mine was issued on the spot, however it can take up to ten days to get it. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQXufOPo2oFiQ3_081c2fcGdN8DdVGxCzM5lcWBAvSAtADRqIvuQ SUS Card (Sistema Único de Saúde) Whether or not you work for a company which provides you with a healthcare plan or have a private plan of your own, you will want to also have a SUS Card. Go to the nearest public health clinic (Posto da Saúde) or Prefeitura/Sub-Prefeitura office and inquire where to obtain it. You need only a document of identification (with photo) and proof of address such as a light/water/phone bill. If you are treated in an Emergency Ward, AMA Clinic or Posto da Saúde the card will also allow you to receive certain medications at their pharmacy free of charge. Brazilian Driver's Licence (Carteira Nacional de Habilitação CNH) http://www.autoescolabraganca.com.br/nova_cnh_02.jpg(Edited 05/09/2013)If you plan on staying in Brazil you will need driver's licence after 180 days from arrival. Obtaining a Brazilian licence is a dificult procedure and takes time, involves classes at a driving school, medical exam, practical exam and road test. If you come from North America, Central or South America you may be able to apply for an Inter-Americas Driving Permit (IADP) which is valid in Brazil for 180 days along with your valid foreign licence. Check at your local offices of the Automobile Association. These are usually valid for a period of one year from issue and your foreign licence must be valid for longer than one year at the time you apply. See following link to Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-American_Driving_Permit If you hold a valid driver's licence from another country that has a reciprocal agreement with Brazil for driving (check with Brazilian Consulate in your country) then you will be permitted to drive in Brazil for up to 180 days using an International Driver's Permit (IDP). NOTE: Regardless of having a validity period of one year, you cannot drive in Brazil using either an IDP or IADP after 180 days from your arrival date. Brazilian laws require everyone to obtain a Brazilian Carteira Nacional de Habilitação if in the country beyond the 180 day limit. ********************************************** DRIVING SAFETY INFORMATION Driving at night – If you look at North American statistics that 40% of all car accidents occur at night (frightening since the vast majority of people don’t drive after the first 3 or 4 hours after darkness sets in) you can imagine how much worse the statistics are here in Brazil. Even though the drunk driving laws have recently been toughened they are not respected at all. Drowsy drivers are also responsible for a great number of accidents here, truckers are among the worst offenders since they take medications to prevent sleep in order to cope with their excessively long working hours. The drugs do not give any warning when they are wearing off and truckers fall asleep at the steering wheel with disastrous results. The risk of carjacking or armed robbery of motorists increases at night, so in many Brazilian cities motorists do not stop for red lights after dark. This has been responsible for many horrific accidents since you cannot predict if the oncoming motorists are drunk or drowsy and may not be able to see you much less react to your maneuver should you adopt the habit of running or jumping traffic signals. It is much safer to learn how to judge the timing of traffic signals you frequently pass through. That way at night when approaching a red light you can slow down enough that you will never need to stop completely before the light changes to green, thus depriving would-be robbers or carjackers the opportunity of picking on a stationary and therefore vulnerable target. It works, they just move on to easier prey. Road Rage – Incidents of road rage have rocketed over the past few years. Many people have been killed as the result of violent altercations over some insignificant “violation” of the other motorist’s personal rights (real or perceived). You must be aware that here, while carrying a weapon is a crime, many people carry guns or other weapons on their person at all times. If the other motorist is not armed he or she can always use some convenient object as a weapon if provoked. No matter how tempted you may be to give some other motorist the finger or shout some obscenity NEVER DO SO under any circumstances. Such things result in death here in Brazil with alarming frequency. Brazilians are exceptionally offended by remarks and gestures, so much so that they often lose all control. In fact, Brazilians are almost without exception unable to handle any kind of criticism without flying off the handle. If you are not a patient driver and you cannot control your own reactions you should really think about not driving in this country or alternatively taking out extra life insurance to ease the burden on those loved ones you leave behind. Driving Without Headlights – In São Paulo and many other Brazilian cities motorists have the curious habit of driving with their headlights turned off or with only their parking lights turned on. They use their headlights as a “visible horn” by flashing them instead of blowing the horn. Be extremely aware of this when driving at night and be extra alert when approaching uncontrolled intersections. Horns – Brazilians have a passionate love affair with car horns. It sometimes appears that all Brazilians are born with a car horn in their hot little hands and wait until they reach driving age in order to use them… and oh, how they use them. Don’t be surprised when you delay for a split second to react to a traffic signal changing to green and suddenly there are 50 impatient motorists behind you laying on their horn. Don’t let it get to you, just stay calm and do not react to the provocation. Aggressive Drivers – Drivers all over Brazil are becoming much more aggressive (if that is humanly possible). If you find some motorist glued to your back bumper, flashing his headlights because he thinks you are going to slow don’t be surprised. Never react by slamming on your brakes since chances are this could provoke a fatal reaction on his part (see road rage) or a serious accident. In some cases if you slow down even more the other motorist will finally get the message and pass you. If not, you had better speed up a little and change routes to get as far away as possible. It’s funny because the vast majority of drivers who tailgate, blow their horns and flash their lights do so when they have a clear lane and ample opportunity to pass. It must be some kind of character flaw! ************************************************ Electric / Water / Telephone accounts – Depending on where you reside in Brazil these are either easy or impossible to arrange in your name. There are NO uniform rules regarding such things here in Brazil, it seems that every state and every utility company can make their own rules. In São Paulo you cannot arrange for an account in your name for electricity with Eletropaulo unless you already have your RNE. I never had this problem in any other state where I have lived. You will need at the very least your CPF and passport to arrange for your water and telephone, cellular phone accounts, etc. Bank Accounts – The Brazilian banking system is one of the most complex and bureaucratic in the civilized world. You cannot hold a bank account in this country unless you have permanency (i.e. your RNE and CPF), you will need to produce proof of residence, proof of income and other documents in order to open an account. NOTE: When you apply for your permanent visa and Carteira de Identidade Estrangeiro you will be issued a document called a Protocolo, this bears your photograph and all your personal information and is stamped by the Federal Police. If you examine the document you will find that on the right hand side, below the barcode there is a box entitled Tipo de Pedido. This MUST say "Permanente - Valido como documento oficial de identidade". This is the document you need in order to open a bank account if you don't already have the plastic ID card. If your status is anything less than permanent you're out of luck. It is a frustrating process and may not be instantly successful. It may take several tries to get it right. I personally recommend opening an account with an international bank such as Citibank, HSBC or others that may also operate in your home country. This may facilitate transfers of funds you may have in your country of origin. If you are coming to Brazil and can’t open an account here then your best bet is open an HSBC account in your home country. If you have an HSBC account then you can perform international ATM transactions at any HSBC or affiliated network machine in the country. Otherwise, you can only perform international transactions at Banco do Brasil’s main branches and only at specific ATMs at that location. Trust me, this one is a real pain in the butt. If you want to know just how complicated it really is to open a bank account read the article at this link........ it was written rather tongue in cheek, but it is TRUE http://globalpost.com/dispatch/brazil/090302/adventures-brazilian-bureaucracy?page=full Marrying a Brazilian – Also bureaucratic, depending on the state you may be required to produce different documents. In São Paulo you will require an original of your birth certificate (long form bearing the full name of your parents) and have it authenticated by your embassy or consulate, this must also be accompanied by a certified translation into Portuguese. Also required will be certified copies of your passport and entry card. If you are divorced you will also require an original of your Certificate of Divorce which must also be accompanied by a certified translation. Also all documents must have been issued within the previous six months or they are no longer considered valid here in Brazil. It is important to understand the community property rules that apply to your marriage. Generally speaking most marriages are under the "Regime de Comunhão Parcial de Bens" which is the system we are mostly familiar with. Assets owned by each party prior to marriage continue to be theirs following divorce, those aquired after the marriage are divided equally. With real estate this may not always be exactly the case since any increase in value of the property due to improvements and further construction after the date of the marriage will have to be evaluated and divided between the parties. "Regime de Separação Total de Bens" is a complete separation of assets and is extremely rare in Brazil. It is used mostly in cases where the for individuals over the age of 60 years (not sure of exact age) and generally have considerable assets. As far as I am aware this is obligatory in such cases. Prenuptial agreements are also becoming increasingly popular in Brazil and can eliminate substantially any future disputes should the union end in divorce. Worth thinking about. One other point, marriage in and of itself is no guarantee of obtaining a Permanent Visa although it will help. In most cases the Federal Police will view all marriages as one of "convenience" and check things out thouroughly, including a surprise visit to your home and chatting with neighbors to confirm that a couple actually exists. Divorcing a Brazilian - A judicial divorce in Brazil is a complex and very drawn out process, which in most cases can only be granted following a judicial separation (Separação de Corpo e Partilha de Bens) has taken place. Each situation is different too. It is possible, in cases where there are no children of the marriage and no dispute over division of assets (or they have already been divided by legal agreement) to divorce in the cartório (registry). In cases where there has been a defacto or judicial separation of at least one year you may then go direct to divorce. You will require two witnesses to swear that the separation is of at least one year. If the separation is less than that you can not do so. The laws still require that a lawyer handle a divorce in the cartório, but the same lawyer can represent both parties if they so choose. The fees are quite reasonable. The "Escritura de Divorcio" is issued the same day, however it must be registered in the cartório where the marriage actually took place afterwards. So, it is much easier if possible to seek the divorce in the same cartório where you got married in the first place if this is possible. Following registration in the original cartório you will not be free to re-marry (if this is the case) until a period of 30 days has elapsed. Having a child in Brazil - If you are a foreign national and have a child born in Brazil your child automatically is a Brazilian citizen by virtue of birth. You must register the child's birth at the cartório (registry) in the judicial area in which you reside. This can be done by either parent and you need to (in the case of a hospital birth) provide the cartório with the copy of the DNV (Declaração de Nascimento Vivo) you were given by the hospital and in the case where only one parent is making the registration you must have the identity documents of the other parent with you. For births that take place other than in a hospital you will need to take with you two witnesses to testify that they were present and have knowledge of the birth and declare your statements to be true and accurate. Depending on your country of origin your child may also have the right to citizenship in your home country. Check with your Embassy or Consulate before the date of birth about this entitlement and how to proceed. It may be necessary to register the birth with your Embassy or Consulate in Brazil or like in my case being a Canadian while not necessary to register the birth I must apply for a Certificate of Citizenship for my child, fill out the appropriate forms and provide documents to prove the details. Brazil is a country that permits dual citizenship, some other countries do not so your Brazilian born child may not qualify for citizenship in your home country in some cases. It is also important to note that regardless of any additional citizenship your child may hold, while here in Brazil he or she will be considered Brazilian (first and foremost) for all intents and purposes of law, this also includes the compulsory military service at age 18. Brazilian Citizenship and Dual Citizenship - Brazil is one of the countries that recognizes dual citizenship, but your home country may not. Be sure to check the citizenship requirements for your home country if you plan on becoming a naturalized citizen in Brazil. You may find that at home you will automatically lose your citizenship if you become a citizen of another country. Brazil's nationality laws are based on "Jus Soli" in common law, that is to say that with some very limited exceptions (children born to foreign diplomats in Brazil, etc.) anyone born in Brazilian territory is a Brazilian citizen by reason of birth. If you have a child while in Brazil he/she may automatically have citizenship in your home country as well. If not you generally may apply for citizenship on behalf of your child or simply need to register the birth with your Embassy or Consulate in Brazil. Check with them to be sure about the procedure. The nationality laws are also based on "Jus Parentis" in common law, therefore any child born abroad who has a Brazilian parent is considered a Brazilian citizen here in Brazil regardless of any other citizenship gained by virtue of birth. Last Will and Testament - Foreign made Wills, even though written in a language other than Portuguese, continue to be valid here. They are however executed according to Brazilian laws which govern inheritance and the transfer of assets following death. While a holograph (handwritten) Will is legal here they are rare and subject to very formal rules. It is much better if you plan on drawing up a Will to have it done by a lawyer who knows about estate law. Having a well written and valid Will is especially important if you are married to a Brazilian citizen and continue to hold assets abroad. Working in Brazil - Remember if you are in Brazil on a Tourist Visa you are not permitted to work (officially). If you are staying on some other type of visa the rules depend on the particular type of visa you have. Finding jobs once here in Brazil can often be very difficult for foreigners to do so you might consider searching the internet for employment consulting agencies. Make sure you have a well written and professional looking CV (resumé) which has been translated flawlessly into Portuguese. Depending on the position you are looking for you may consider sending both your English and your Portuguese CV, but in most cases you would only submit the Portuguese. You may or may not also need a cover letter to go along with the CV, this too should be in Portuguese. There is a rather formal style for this cover letter so you might want to check out one from somebody you know or ask a friend about this. Brazilian Law - Unless you are a diplomat you are subject to all Brazilian laws while in the country. You only need to look at the television newscasts to see the horrible conditions that exist in Brazilian jails and prisons. If the thought of ending up there isn't enough to keep you on the "straight and narrow", I don't know what is. So if you use recreational drugs first ask yourself... Is it worth risking going to one of these Hell Holes just to get high? As in any country, ignorance of the law is not a legal defense. "I didn't know that..." just doesn't cut it in a courtroom. Make some effort to learn a little bit about the Brazilian Penal Code and if necessary the Civil Code too. Another important point to remember is that the Estatuto de Criança e Adolescente (ECA) Brazil's juvenile law give anyone under the age of 18 years almost absolute immunity and complete protection. So for example if some young punk tries to rob you and you turn around and kick the crap out of him it will be YOU who lands in jail, not the crook. Juveniles here all know that and that you can't lay a finger on them. This is a knowledge that they brandish like a sword (The most widly spoke phrase in the Portuguese language is "Sou de menor!") so no matter how provoked you may feel never, never lay a glove on a minor under any circumstances. http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/flag/t67118.gif Cheers, http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/flag/t67054.gif James Expat-blog Experts Team

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elcamino1965 Active member

Member since 29 April 2013

elcamino1965Active member29 April 2013 15:25:00

#41

I am very happy with this site. How am I going to get a drivers license here in Brazil if I don't speak the language? Do they have a test in English? Can my wife translate the test as I take it? They told me to go to Rio to ask questions but that is a long distance from here. I can get the IADP in June but I'll run out of options eventually.

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP29 April 2013 19:56:57

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Hi elcamino1965, (great car BTW)

Unfortunately there is no way to obtain a driver's license unless you can speak Portuguese well enough to go through the Auto Escola program and pass the written exam which is only Portuguese. I do not believe that there is any tranlating allowed, but you can try asking the driving school.

The other option you might consider if you still have a valid Utah Driver's License is to have it translated, take it to DETRAN and ask them to issue Permission to Drive. I don't know what the fee is and I believe that it will only be valid for 180 days. After that you will need a Brazilian license to continue driving.

Cheers,
William James Woodward - Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

elcamino1965 Active member

Member since 29 April 2013

elcamino1965Active member30 April 2013 14:08:27

#43

Thank you for answering my question. I have already bought a car. I don"t know what will happen if I get caught driving it. If I can make it one more month I can get an inter America license. Are you living in Macae?

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP30 April 2013 14:56:04

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Hi elcamino1965,

Yes, I live in Macaé. Actually I've lived in five different states in Brazil since I arrived here over eleven years ago. Amazonas, São Paulo, Minas Gerais, Bahia and now Rio de Janeiro to be exact.

Regarding getting caught driving without a license while it probably won't be such a big deal if the car is properly registered and up to date with IPVA, DPVAT and insurance. However the big problem is what will happen should you be involved in an accident as an unlicensed driver. Regardless of who causes the accident here in Brazil the unlicensed driver will be found 100% liable for everything. If this is a serious accident, especially one that involves serious injury or death it could wipe you out financially since most insurers will refuse all coverage. Another consideration is that someone who is involved in a minor accident with you who may be unscruplous and see all foreigners as trees that sprout money may try to extort you for almost everything you've got too. In most cases of minor accidents even Brazilians tend to settle things between themselves without going through insurance companies, but this leaves you open to the kind of extortion I've mentioned.

Cheers,
William James Woodward - Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

elcamino1965 Active member

Member since 29 April 2013

elcamino1965Active member30 April 2013 21:39:00

#45

I read from angloinfo saopaulo that as an American I can exchange my American license for a full Brazilian license. I hope that's true. I'll check on it tomorrow. I won't need to take a test or go to school.

brazilzen Member

Member since 10 May 2013

brazilzenMember10 May 2013 05:23:46

#46

hi wjwoodward,

i am looking for information regarding testaments and wills for brazilian expats living in switzerland.

would you be able to advise further?

many thanks,

anna

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP10 May 2013 09:37:45

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Hi Anna,

I don't have any idea at all about the situation with Wills and Testaments in Switzerland. If you have an existing Will anywhere in the world it will remain valid here even if written in a foreign language. It will however be executed according to Brazilian succession laws. Regarding pre-existing Wills being valid there you'd need to talk to a lawyer there I guess.

Cheers,
William James Woodward - Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

HaileyinHongKong ViP

Member since 28 December 2010

HaileyinHongKongViP10 May 2013 13:34:06

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I want to know how to eat a Brazil nut. Do you need a chainsaw to open those things?

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP11 May 2013 18:39:57

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No Hailey, you need a small sledge hammer and a sharply pointed dentist's pick to separate the meat from the shell once you've smashed it open. Only if you're extremely lucky will it separate and come away intact once you've beaten that nasty shell into submission!

A chainsaw is too damn noisey and anyway it pollutes.

Aaron13 Member

Member since 08 June 2013

Aaron13Member08 June 2013 09:07:54

#50

Hi James,

Thanks for this wonderful blog.

I m looking to move to Goiania and am entitled to the Viper,as my wife and daughter are both Brazilian. If it s possible, I would like to ask you some questions off line.

Thanks,
Aaron

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP08 June 2013 23:11:18

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Hi Aaron,

Sure, just send me a private message with your questions.

Cheers,
William James Woodward - Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

usmc_mv ViP

Member since 14 June 2013

usmc_mvViP13 July 2013 03:52:34

#52

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Thank you James.

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor14 July 2013 18:18:59

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Hi, William

Getting back to the driver's license question:

What about obtaining an International Driver's License? My family and I used to get those when traveling to Europe becasue we never went the tour-bus route. We drove everywhere we went. And even thoough that wouldn't be a PERMANENT solution, I know those are valid for 10 YEARS. Would Brazil accept that? And if not, why not?

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP14 July 2013 19:02:10

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The International Driver's Permit (IDP) is not recognized by Brazil since it was not a signatory to the Convention.

If you come from another North or South American Country there is an equivalent, the Inter-Americas Driver's Permit (IADP) which is recognized by Brazil. It is applied for in exactly the same way, at the local Automobile Association at home, is valid for one year and must be accompanied by a valid driver's license from your home country (with min. validity of one year remaining to correspond with the IADP).

All other nations should check with their local Automobile Associations or Driver's License Bureau to see if your country has any kind of reciprocal agreement with Brazil regarding driving. Some countries do; in which case you need only have your original driver's license tranlated into Portuguese (by legal translator in Brazil). You need to apply to DETRAN (Departmento de Transito) in the state where you will be residing for permission to drive, pay a fee and you will then be permitted to drive for up to 180 days. After 180 days one would need to apply for and obtain a Brazilian driver's license (CNH - Carteira Nacional de Habilitação) through the normal process.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

usmc_mv ViP

Member since 14 June 2013

usmc_mvViP15 July 2013 04:09:53

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Let me chime in here. I have for 3 years purchased the IADP, not once has it ever been requested. Not even by the police. I think you should have one regardless but don't get offended if they don't ask for it on demand. The only difference is the date format. Most Police officers know the difference. I sure the hell do.

usmc_mv ViP

Member since 14 June 2013

usmc_mvViP15 July 2013 04:15:10

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More details here:

http://www.aaa.com/ppinternational/IDP_IADP_Apply.html

IDP/IADP = waste of money but if you intend to apply for a permanent license it is required but you DL needs to be translated (weights and measures converted as well) by an official translator. This document needs to be registered and then certified (appx. $300USD in the Amazonas).

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor15 July 2013 13:42:40

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Thanks to you both.

William, I had a feeling the International Driver's Permit did not apply to Brazil when you had not mentioned it already, but I still had hope. But Brazil has different and more difficult rules for everything, so why should this be any different?

And thank for the website, mattvillemure. Will let you know if I have any further questions after I check it out later with more time.

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP15 July 2013 15:05:00

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Actually I did mention in the original post that the IDP was not recognized in Brazil and only the IADP was valid here. It's in the text right next to the photo of the Brazilian Driver's License in the posting.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor15 July 2013 16:23:08

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By GOD! Yes you HAD...! LOL. I just referred back and saw it!

Thanks again, as always, William, for all your info and help. You're a priceless find for all of us.

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP15 July 2013 16:27:27

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Thanks for the vote of confidence, it's greatly appreciated. It's just that knowledge that many of our members feel exactly like you do that keeps me working hard at being Animator. It's a strictly voluntary position and takes up a great deal of my time, but even though it doesn't put one cent in my pocket the only way I'll stop being Animator and working so hard is when I take that "long dirt sleep". LOL

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor15 July 2013 23:28:34

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Well, I surely hope we're NOWHERE near THAT point (for ALL of our sakes!). And it's ESPECIALLY because it's strictly voluntary on your part that what you do means even more. I'll be honest, I sometimes wonder how you find time for anything else. Because I know you field questions from ALL OVER THE WORLD. I sometimes don't even find time to READ the comments or new topics, let alone you who are constantly CREATING new ones, in addition to answering questions, and ALWAYS in great and painstaking detail, and (as we know) often answering the SAME question over and over and OVER (E-GAD!) again! Like...my question today about the International Driver's Permit, for example. LOL. So, yes, you ARE appreciated and by many I know because I see that appreciation constantly being restated on this site. Though never enough, my friend, never enough.

Til next time...

lacret60

svenveer Guest

svenveerGuest19 August 2013 17:41:01

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Actually, the IDP is valid in Brazil, by executive decree 86741/81:
http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/de … d86714.htm

and Res 50/98 DENATRAN art 30:
"O condutor de veículo automotor natural de país estrangeiro e nele habilitado, desde que penalmente imputável no Brasil, está autorizado a dirigir no território nacional quando amparado por acordos ou convenções internacionais, ratificados e aprovados pelo Brasil, e quando esteja no país na condição de turista, ou seja detentor de visto temporário, permanente, de cortesia, oficial ou diplomático"

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP19 August 2013 22:20:28

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Good to know this has changed, because everything that I've seen on the internet up til now states that Brazil had only recognized the IADP. Thanks for the information.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

usmc_mv ViP

Member since 14 June 2013

usmc_mvViP19 August 2013 22:27:38

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Vegas12,

Speaking on the topic of the US Visa Waiver Program, I can tell you first hand that it won't happen for a very long time. Brazil accounts for 37% of overstays which places them in the top 5, and of course Mexico is at the very top of the list.

When I worked for CBP there was a lot of talk about this, Argentina and Chile are on the list too. At one point in time Argentina and Uruguay were eligible countries on VWP list. It is unlikely that in the next 5 years any countries from South America will make the list simply because around 65% of overstays come from Central/South America.

Matt-

usmc_mv ViP

Member since 14 June 2013

usmc_mvViP19 August 2013 22:29:09

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James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP26 August 2013 09:36:49

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I have removed my posting at the respectful request of member - lawyer_rio. I stand corrected regarding the issue of International Driver's Licence (IDP). We all make mistakes from time-to-time, that's why they put erasers on the end of pencils.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lawyer_rio Contributor

Member since 28 August 2013

lawyer_rioContributor28 August 2013 18:00:36

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Brazil Ratified the 1968 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic by executive decree on dezember 10th 1981, as you can see on the link posted by svenveer. Article 41 speaks of the international drivers permit and also allows drivers to use their national drivers license accompanied by a certified translation.

Maybe you should revise your comment.

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP29 August 2013 11:11:34

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Hello lawyer_rio,

Thanks for your input Sven. BTW the new user name is really nifty. Funny, I seem to recall that YOU requested to cancel your membership. Did you change your mind that quickly?

Anyway, while I do the very best to research my information I am only human and must rely on the accuracy of the researched material. ALL of the material I've seen on the International Driver's Permit (IDP) states that Brazil does not recognize it, that only the Inter-Americas Driver's Permit (IADP) is recognized. If that information, that has been out there in the public for some time is wrong, am I to blame for that? And how would I know that it is wrong in the first place? Now - I stand corrected.

I don't claim to be infallible, I do claim that I do the very best I can to source my information (since I'm a layman and a volunteer here on the blog). You have absolutely no idea of how many hours of dedicated hard work that I put into the Brazil Forum (and others), helping others without expecting anything in return. That is something that, in itself, demands respect and it's something that I expect. Correct errors if you will, post opposing opinions if you want to, that's your right and I'll defend that right to my very last breath. But, judge, criticize unjustly or abuse any member that's something that I will work equally hard to eliminate here on the blog.

So, you're back on the blog, your input is welcome and appreciated. I sincerely hope that where factual errors are made by me or by anyone else, that you will add your input to correct those errors, without being judgemental or abusive in any way. So now you have a clean slate, what you do with that is up to you entirely. Civility goes a very long way, it certainly will score you many more points than will the lack of it. I'm sure you can be a great asset to the Brazil Forum, that never was in question. What was in question is the way you were interacting with those around you.

Enough said!

Welcome back, feel free to comment and post as you wish. Just keep things within the guidelines set out in the Terms and Conditions and Brazil Forum Code of Conduct and things will be just fine all round.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lawyer_rio Contributor

Member since 28 August 2013

lawyer_rioContributor29 August 2013 12:14:50

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Never said you are infallable. I just moved back to see whether you had made any comments on me, and you did. Thanks for removing.

Considering the number of posts, I do have some idea on the hours you put into this. You should however look a little more into the comments I made before bluntly calling me wrong. As you might have figured by now, yes, I am in fact an OAB licensed lawyer.

I just posted comments where your information was not quite correct and you took it as a personal attac, hich it wasn't.

usmc_mv ViP

Member since 14 June 2013

usmc_mvViP29 August 2013 16:13:58

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I promised myself I would ignore this but I can't as I'm growing very annoyed.

To the lawyer - in a perfect world the law would be followed to a T. Unfortunately this is Brazil. The information I have obtained through this forum has been priceless (long before you showed up). Therefore if you can't contribute in a productive manner please don't contribute at all. The bureaucracy of Brazil is complicated enough. Your bickering only makes it worse. Please read the ToS.

Thank you.

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor29 August 2013 18:32:10

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I just came upon this entire "exchange" today and couldn't believe what I was readig, but I couldn't have said it better myself, Matt.

There is no room for EGOS on this Blog, and I too have found it INVALUABLE and bless the day I found it! Because my experience has ALWAYS been that while CORRECTIONS on information already posted are ALWAYS WELCOME, ATTITUDES and SPITEFULNESS are NOT. OAB license in hand or NOT! So, it would be a SHAME that someone with MUCH to ADD to this Blog put on airs, and which makes it appear that lawyer_rio is just interested in showing how much he KNOWS versus HELPING PEOPLE, as William has and does. So, if you want to HELP, PLEASE DO SO, lawyer_rio, and keep visiting this Blog. But if you just want to SHOW OFF, maybe you should set up your own Blog where you can be the King of the Hill you obviously imagine yourself to be.

Information is very important. VITAL. But courtesy, friendliness and respect should NEVER take a back seat.

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP29 August 2013 19:43:52

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Hi guys,

I really appreciate the vote of confidence, but please let's not turn this into a big deal. Sven, I meant exactly what I said, I believe that you will be a great asset to the blog and I'm hoping that you will stay and contribute regularly. The only expectation that I have of you is exactly the same that I have of all of our members, and that is CIVILITY at all times.

Nobody is obligated to accept the opinion of any other member, and my certainly express their own opposing opinion as well. This is encouraged as part of the exchange of ideas we are dedicated to. So when you don't agree you're free to say so, don't worry about that.

I welcome you back and I'm sure that you'll do just fine here now. When I make a mistake, and I'm sure that I will, please feel free to correct the factual error. No further comment would really be necessary, just the correct facts.

I would ask one small favor however, since most of our members on this Anglophone forum aren't fully fluent in Portugese, if you do need to cite specific legislation in the future, could you please translate it to English (even if only run it through Google which is terrible I know) so that our other members will understand it too. That will be greatly appreciated. Of course some Portuguese terms will of necessity have to be used if only for instructional purposes or the name of a specific document, etc.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lawyer_rio Contributor

Member since 28 August 2013

lawyer_rioContributor29 August 2013 22:07:19

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@matt

So you're happy with the current Brazilian culture of the jeitinho, everyone does what he wants to, and usually it's the gringo that draws the short straw?

I just pointed out some information that is just wrong, independent of whether the law is followed to the T.

- you can't just strike out the frase that you renounce your original nationality on your naturalization application or on the certificate. It would void your application or naturalization.

- you can drive in Brazil on an international divers permit, but also on your national license with a judicial translation. You can even use your European model license without translation as it says drivers lisence in 17 languages and that includes Portuguese.

Personally I am not at all happy with the Brazilian "this is Brazil attitude".

@lacret60

So pointing out that information is wrong is having an ego problem? I was thought by my parents when I was a kid to listen to others that point out your errors so that you can learn from them. Instead I'm told not to quote law unless I'm a licensed lawyer. So I point to the Cadastro Nacional de Advogados, and believe me, there are not that many lawyers called SVEN in Brazil (4) and ask for my removal. I then come back and find a sneer addressed to me and I have an ego problem? Telling someone that information he is giving out is not correct is not helping? I point to sources so that the other person can read it and learn from it.

@william
I don't have much time on my hands, I usually switch off the Internet when I'm home. If I post some quote from the law, it may just happen I don't have the time to translate it and I really don't believe in Google translate...

I have reflected, I hope you did too.

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP29 August 2013 22:17:47

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Sure I have Sven, that's why I welcome you back. I just hope that now everybody can just let things cool down.

As I pointed out, there are ways of saying things and there are ways of saying things. Hopefully we will all try to say things in a way that are more civil with one another in the future.

Your legal experience and your years of experience living here in Brazil make you very valueable as a member to be sure. I'm not crazy about the Brazilian bureaucracy, nor the "jeitinho" that it has spawned. I think there are far too many laws in this country that are either out of touch with reality or others that are simply ignored (sometimes even by the very government that enacted them).

Having said that, in my opinion it makes little sense in decrying the laws or decrying institutions that ignore them when we as individuals are virtually powerless to do anything about it. I'm certainly not going to chase my case all the way to the STF even though I have every right to do so and would propably win... I just don't have the time, strength or money.

Anyway, let's all leave things at that and all of us take a deep breath and cool off a bit.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lawyer_rio Contributor

Member since 28 August 2013

lawyer_rioContributor30 August 2013 02:04:27

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James,

Many Brazilians make everything difficult. Several years ago, I had some FGTS I amantes to cash because I had worked for over 3 years without a carteira assinada. As usual my name was spelled wrong on the conta vinculado (my name is a bit more complicated than Woodward ) and they just didn't want to give me my money, wanting to give me the run around. This is typical when they just don't want to be bothered. Since Caixa is a government Bank, I demanded a certidao explaining why they couldn't be bothered to give me my money. The sub manager told me they do not give certidōes, so I asked him where to file a petition asking for a certidao. A bit more apprehensive he told me that they didn't do that, so I asked him where then should I file a petition asking why at that specific agency I could not exercise my constitutional right to petition, so the guy was like "whadayamean???" (A guard with a hand on his gun had come closer by now), so I told him that he was breaking my constitutional rights and that I would have to come back with the police to arrest him for abuso de poder. So he said "just a sec". Turned around, mumbled something that sounded like fu@&ing gringos. Five minutes later I had my money.

When Its not probable I will have to interact with someone again, I just tell them how it's and what the options are, in most cases this resolves the problem.

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor31 August 2013 18:15:16

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Anyway...just FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, after all has been said and done:

Am I correct, then, after reading sveneer's DENATRAN quote of:

"O condutor de veiculo automotor...esta autorizado a dirigir no territorio nacional ...quando esteja no pais na condicao de turista..., permanente..." etc.,

that I can, NOT ONLY use an International Driver's Permit when I FIRST ARRIVE on a TOURIST Visa, BUT that I can ALSO CONTINUE to use one EVEN AFTER I aquire a PERMANENT STAY VISA?? In other words, can I get an IDP (which last I checked lasts 10 years)before I leave for Brazil, and, THEN, at the END of those 10 years, and once, by that time (I hope!) living in Brazil on a Permanent Visa based on Marriage, can I just RENEW my IDP into INFINITY?

I certainly hope so. But please advise.

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP31 August 2013 18:34:01

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As far as I understand it after 180 days, one must have a Brazilian Carteira Nacional de Hablitação, so that would be fine for a tourist who is limited to 180 days, anyone on a temporary or permanent visa who stays longer than that is required to have a CNH.

The following is a quote from the official site of DETRAN-SP

http://www.detran.sp.gov.br/wps/portal/ … TRAN.troca

"Ao ingressar no país, o condutor estrangeiro poderá dirigir com a Carteira de Habilitação do país de origem (desde que dentro do seu prazo de validade), por até 180 dias. Para tanto, além da habilitação, o condutor deve portar o passaporte ou documento que comprove a data de entrada no país.

No entanto, para conduzir no Brasil após 180 dias da data de ingresso no país, o estrangeiro habilitado em um desses países deverá solicitar, a qualquer momento, a emissão da Carteira Nacional de Habilitação brasileira."

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor15 September 2013 01:10:46

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Thanks for your response, William.

Sorry it's taken so long to get back.

But, then, I guess, after finally being able to GET to your response, my last question on the topic (I think!), BASED on your response, is that, if I have an IDP at the end of that 180-day period in Brazil, would the driving test etcetera in written Portuguese etcetera STILL be REQUIRED to obtain that CNH? OR can the IDP be used to be sort of "traded in," for example, for a CNH?

James ViP

Member since 20 June 2010

Brazil & Canada Expert

JamesViP15 September 2013 11:06:47

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Anyone in Brazil longer than 180 days must obtain a CNH. You would have to go through the whole process, driving school, medical, visual, psychological exams, written and road teasts just like everyone else taking their first license.

Regardless of the validity period of the IDP or IADP, it can only be used for the first 180 days in Brazil.

Cheers,
William James Woodward Brazil Animator, Expat-blog Team

lacret60 Contributor

Member since 24 March 2013

lacret60Contributor16 September 2013 16:51:20

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Ok, thanks.

Why oh why did I even let myself think that THIS one may be easy versus everything else...?

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