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Last activity 24 October 2024 by KyleAlford

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jfranknichols

We are working on determining the most cost-effective way to meet the residency requirements in Spain. Our plan is to live full-time in an RV, but it seems that this does not qualify for a TIE (residency permit).


I wanted to get everyone’s thoughts on which of the following options would be least likely to cause issues with immigration or the TIE process, or which way is the best way:


    1.    Renting a site at an RV park in a rural area with a one-year contract. The idea would be that the site could be rented to others while we are away. We wouldn’t actually be living there, but might stop by occasionally. I’m unsure if this could be considered fraudulent and if it might lead to problems. The price for this option seems about €300/month or €3,600 per year. (Any suggestions for cheaper?)


    2.    Renting an inexpensive apartment for a year, which seems to be at least €400/month, or roughly €5,000/year (cheaper options?)


    3.    Someone has a property that you would rent us as an address? The understanding would be that we’d only be there as much as legally required, or perhaps not at all.


I’d appreciate everyone’s thoughts on these options. Currently, my plan is to travel over, purchase the RV, and arrange my TIE and bank account while waiting for our visas to be approved. My wife will join me once she picks up the visas.


Lastly, regarding the purchase of the RV from a dealer, we are looking at low profile (semi-integrated) RVs like the Chausson 640 or the Challenger 240 (same RV different names), we will be paying cash in Eruo’s.


    •    Are there any “shady” dealers we should avoid?


    •    Will a dealer sell to me if I only have a NIE and wish to transfer funds for full payment to the dealer in euros through WISE, or will they require proof of residency as well?


    •    I assume the dealer will handle all taxes and registration, correct?


    •    I assume I can drive the trailer on my US DL until I get my Spanish DL (the RVs we aer looking at are under 3,500kg so, class B DL is all I need?


    •    Random observations of suggestions about purchasing an RV and getting it registered, etc.


Thank you in advance for your help with these questions.


Best regards,

Frank

gwynj

@jfranknichols


You seem to be assuming that the rental contract is only needed for the TIE. However, I think you'll find that many applicants for the NLV in the USA are asked for this as part of their visa application too.


In addition, the TIE needs not just the rental contract, but your padron certificate. So you have to take the rental contract to your local town hall where they'll read it.


My guess is that a contract for a pitch would not meet their requirements.


The cheapest apartment rental (furnished) in our city (Elche, Alicante) is 500 euros per month. But if you go a bit more off the beaten track, I reckon 300 euros is possible.


You need a long-term contract (e.g. a year) for the town hall/padron, BUT once you have your NLV and TIE, you no longer need to keep this contract. Unlike the USA, there's normally no great problem in breaking your lease. So if you give a month's notice, you're off the hook for the rent (but you'll probably lose your deposit). Realistically, you could probably get away with 3 months cost (2 rent, 1 deposit) or about 900 euros on the cheapest rental possible. Plus you could stay there for a few days which saves on hotel costs. However, you might need a rental contract again when you renew your NLV (unless you've purchased an apartment/house by then).

jchilton

I was under the impression that if you live in a camper van you cannot register on the padrón, which is necessary to obtain a resident's permit (as well as many other things)

KyleAlford

Hi Frank,


Thanks for reaching out with these questions. You’ve clearly done a lot of research, and I’d be happy to offer some additional insights to help you make informed decisions.


Residency & TIE Requirements:


RV Park Rental:


While an RV park may be a cost-effective option, the Spanish authorities require proof of a fixed, permanent residence for the TIE application. Renting an RV spot, even on a year-long contract, may not be sufficient. They typically prefer a traditional residence (e.g., apartment or house) as a valid address.

Subletting the spot while you’re away could raise red flags, especially if you’re not living there full-time, and this might be seen as fraudulent under residency rules.


Renting an Apartment:


Renting a small apartment would be your best and safest option to meet the residency requirements. While it might be slightly more expensive, having a proper fixed address will streamline your TIE application and avoid complications with immigration. Rural or inland areas might offer rentals around €600–€900 per month.


Using Someone’s Property as an Address:


While some expats have used this method, it can be risky and potentially lead to problems with authorities. If you’re not physically living there, it could be seen as fraudulent. I’d recommend going with a more straightforward approach, like renting an apartment.


RV Purchase:


Dealers & Payments:


Reputable dealers should have no problem selling an RV with a NIE and receiving full payment through services like WISE. Just make sure to confirm with the dealer that they will handle taxes and registration. It's a standard service in Spain, but worth double-checking before you complete the purchase.


Driving License:


Yes, with a Class B license and as long as the RV is under 3,500kg, you’re good to drive it in Spain. Your US license should be valid for six months after entering Spain, but you’ll need to exchange it for a Spanish license if you plan to stay longer.


RV Insurance & Registration:


Don’t forget to secure insurance for your RV. Also, the dealer should arrange the ITV inspection if the RV is used, and handle registration as part of the sale.

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Best regards,

Kyle Alford

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