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Last activity 18 August 2022 by coach53

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Timo62
I have never been confronted by threatening people in the Philippines. YET. Have you? I just came across this video and thought you might like to see it. The closest I have come to anything like this was when my girlfriend and I were walking home after dark through a squatter area in Paranaque in Metro Manila. A guy walked past us and flipped his cigarette in our path. No big deal.
that girlfriend became my wife and from the beginning she has taught me the ins and outs of life in the big city. As we were walking down the sidewalk she would occasionally indicate we needed to cross to the other side because she had seen threatening people up ahead. Sometimes it would mean exiting a jeepney before we arrived at our intended destination. Sometimes she would decide where to sit on a bus. So here is the video, Let me know your experiences. https://timotraveling.blogspot.com/2013/06/self-defense-philippines.html
GoDees
Hello Timo62
I was assaulted by a egocentric filipino because l parked in front of his house on a public road. "My house, I park here". With no provocation, was punched without warning because "I was big". And the filipino legal system was a sick joke. There are arseholes and they walk among us.  regards Bruce
Enzyte Bob
Timo62 posted. . . .
As we were walking down the sidewalk she would occasionally indicate we needed to cross to the other side because she had seen threatening people up ahead.
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A number of years ago when my daughter was in College (she now in her 50's) she got mugged. A month before on a trip to Florida she bought a silver coin from a shipwreck and had it made into a piece of jewelry, hanging on a neck chain.

She was really shaken by the event mugging event. She explained to me: She was walking down the sidewalk and someways down the street she saw three menacing men hanging around. She kept walking and was approaching them and then was mugged.

I asked her why didn't you cross the street? She replied: I didn't want to offend by stereotyping them.

Well I went to a coin shop, the coin they had was such poor quality and overpriced. . . . so no replacement.
Wellsfry

I have been coming to Philippines since 2018... never a problem... half was in Cavite, the other half now in Dipolog, Mindanao... Never any issues, but I have heard stories about the asshole brother in law that gets drunk and stupid in Angeles...  I don't go to bars or anything like that.... and we don't go out much at night except movies... Here in Dipolog you don't really hear about any problems.... Really happy great people here.  The only thing I heard and heeded was durring elections... one Filipino friend of mine told me to not travel and try to be home at night... he was one that had a crew of guys that handed out 'prizes' for votes...  and they did have a couple skirmishes with the other political guys..

manwonder
Thanks for the 'heads up' Timo62;

Especially the part which states :
PNP chief Director General Ronald de la Rosa said the 10 requirements for a license to own and possess firearms (LTOPF) have been reduced to just four: the neuro-psychiatric screening, drug test, police clearance and the RTC/MTC or NBI clearance."

No issues thus far in my province, as I don't dare venture out at nights (unless it's an emergency) & if not I am always back home by 7-8pm period.
I know that there are definitely many unlit/unsafe areas around our city area which itself carries a certain degree of risk/danger.
Maybe it's because of my horrid experience some 15yrs ago when I visited Batam  (Indonesia) with a few friends to play at a  casino....It was around midnite when I was on my way back alone to my hotel which was <15min walk from the casino that I got surrounded by 7 to 8 young men one of whom pulled out a pocket knife while another managed to grab my rear loop hole of my jeans which practically made me immobile....they took all my belongings cash/wallet/watch/passport but I was not harmed.
So LOW crime does not mean NO crime so keep your guard up always.
Moon Dog
I'm in a provincial area where practically everyone is a relative so I feel safe to walk around any time of the day or night. I have an uncle who is big into chicken fighting. He invited me to go with him to a chicken fight not far from where we live. I told my wife I was going to a chicken fight and she freaked out, said it wasn't safe for an American and Americans never go to chicken fights. I really want to go to a chicken fight but it would be trouble in paradise if I did. Has anyone visited a chicken fight?
coach53
I havent had any problem, but a friend of mine.
He and his gf visited a guy with a posh house half rural with no street light mostly came driving and had almost reached where there were street lights, Then one came from other side at that narrow road they couldnt pass each other. My friend expected the other to back because it was both short and backing to where could see by the light there.  The other (rich) expected everyone would move away for him and became hostile - or perhaps just wanted to show off for the woman coming with him - and went out and acted rude. My friend's girlfriend tried to hold him back, but he went out acting hostile back - and he is a big guy in good shape he has even compeeted in weight lifting - so the other run into his car and shouted scared  :)    "I know where you live" I suppouse trying to save face in front of the woman following him 1f923.svg

My friend is naive concerning such expecting his size make its no risk for him, but his gf was very scared the other would come back with a gun or a gang with knives, but nothing happened.
pnwcyclist
Situational awareness is absolutely critical here, whether on a jeepney, out at night or even doing the tourist thing.

I was once on a rural back road outside of Talisay taking some photos of the view with an expensive camera and a car climbing the hill at a good clip suddenly let off the gas and pulled off a bit ahead of my car. The instant change in his engine sound, then pulling off where I had (no turnout) instantly set off alarm bells and I was already moving for my car 20 meters away by the time they stopped.

Two younger guys were approaching but clearly weren't sure of their strategy and I was inside the little Avanza before they got to the doors - one on each side. Fortunately I had left the motor running as I always do if stopping in an unknown area - as they came up, I put it in gear and waved as I drove off. In my rearview mirror I could see them alternately pretending to look at the view then my taillights.

While I do not know for sure of their intentions, I will add that I was at the edge of a large overlooking ravine (why I stopped to begin with) which could have had a very troublesome outcome if they did have ill intentions and I weren't so quick to move.
coach53
I forgot to tell of safety reason it can sometimes be best to act OPPOSITE to whats often are best in our home countries   (except when its (low level) gang criminals in our home countries, then its similar).

In Sweden, when walk meeting a group of a bit dangerous people, I moved a bit TOWARDS their route -  without tackling them  :)   - and look straight in eyes of their "leader" so they thought this  guy is perhaps a karate expert :)  or something because not moving away, so they chosed someone else...

While NOT before hostile Filipinos because of culture they can feel they HAVE TO do something hostile just to SAVE FACE in front of others there even if they dont realy want to, if the other person do ANYTHING which can be seen as provoking as e g look tough straight into their eyes. (I mean other than when suppoused to when talking normal.) 
kristopherryanwatson
Fortunately,  nothing like these situations have ever happened to me.

However, a  few years ago, i was out in Makati, on my way to Century City Mall.
As i was  passing by the Poblacion entertainment district, i stopped by a nearby 7/eleven to get a refreshment. As i exited,  a slightly older but fairly attractive woman approached me and we happened to be walking in the same direction. She asked if i was interested for a 'quick time' date (y'all know what that means..), i politely but flat out declined and went on my way. such sort of things doesn't interest me. she muttered something which i didn't care to catch but i could tell she was still trying to pursuade me to join her.

a few weeks later, a good friend of mine (female) from work and i had dinner together at a nearby restaurant in the same entertainment area. As fate would have it, the same woman from a few weeks back had seen us together. she tried to attack me with a very large piece of wood. she even attempted to take a few swings at my female colleague! i defended her, and was able to dismantle her from her weapon of choice, and defended myself from a few poorly executed follow-up swings at me before a nearby security guard was kind enough to subdue her and lead her away from us.

that was a very confusing and random experience. to this day i will never understand how such a woman would bother to do that when all i did was turn her down for her proposition a few weeks back.

fortunately, i never did see her again.  i pray that she has sought help since that incident because she obviously has a psychological issue at hand.

i have a fairly good grasp of how handsome i am and that the rejection felt by an attractive woman must have inflicted a complex of some kind, but the emotional reasoning rationale to take out their feelings in that way is something i will never understand !

coach53
that was a very confusing and random experience. to this day i will never understand how such a woman would bother to do that when all i did was turn her down for her proposition a few weeks back.
- @kristopherryanwatson
Not confusing to me  :)
I suppouse it was a "lose face" thingy, she interpreted it as you said No to her but Yes to the other woman.
Enzyte Bob
A snip from kristopherryanwatson. . . .i pray that she has sought help since that incident because she obviously has a psychological issue at hand. *************************************************************

Exactly the woman had some type of mental problems,

It's amazing that she recognized you a few weeks later. Now I'm wondering where did she get the large piece of wood to attack you with?

A side note: If you had accepted her original invitation maybe something worse would have happened to you in the hotel room considering she had mental problems. Who knows she might have been Mrs. Hannibal Lecter.
coach53
A snip from kristopherryanwatson. . . .i pray that she has sought help since that incident because she obviously has a psychological issue at hand. *************************************************************

Exactly the woman had some type of mental problems,
- @Enzyte Bob
I suppuose NOT.  She just being Filipino   :)   (=Lose face culture combined with hot temperament.)
Its rather common (drunk) Filipinos kill even friends for some TINY lose face "reason". Even if not ment to kill, its big risk when knives are used in fights, which is common.
And when its some more serious issue as e g where the lot boundry is, then even some relatives have killed each other even both bleeding to death.  (And two of the few foreigners I know of have been killed RURAL, seem to be because of land disputes.)

Enzyte Bob
A snip from kristopherryanwatson. . . .i pray that she has sought help since that incident because she obviously has a psychological issue at hand. *
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Exactly the woman had some type of mental problems,
- @Enzyte Bob
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I suppuose NOT.  She just being Filipino   smile.png   (=Lose face culture combined with hot temperament.)
Its rather common (drunk) Filipinos kill even friends for some TINY lose face "reason". Even if not ment to kill, its big risk when knives are used in fights, which is common.
And when its some more serious issue as e g where the lot boundry is, then even some relatives have killed each other even both bleeding to death.  (And two of the few foreigners I know of have been killed RURAL, seem to be because of land disputes.)

- @coach53
coach53. . .How would you know she lost face and has a hot temperament?  So she is just being Filipino?

Kristopherryanwatson's  post is not about drunks, knives, lot boundaries, some place rural, a person being murdered by relatives. 

You say it's rather    "common"   that drunks kill even friends?

COMMON ?

coach53. . . I have nothing more to say to you on this topic.

manwonder
If you had accepted her original invitation maybe something worse would have happened to you in the hotel room considering she had mental problems. Who knows she might have been Mrs. Hannibal Lecter.
- @Enzyte Bob
Yes ..."Fatal Attraction" can be deadly here.
manwonder
The DOH Philippines estimates that at least 3.6 million Filipinos were facing mental health issues during the pandemic, including depression, substance use disorders such as alcohol use disorder, and mood disorders like bipolar disorder. COVID-19 infection in itself has been found to directly impact a person's mental health.

Stay safe
kristopherryanwatson
@Enzyte Bob


the question about the acquisition of the woodnas her weaponnof choice is a very good one!

well, from not far from the resto where my work companion and i dined that night, there was a construction site (which since then the erection of a multi-floor food park is apparent ), so im presuming it came from there. quite dangerous of her to swing that at me. i mean it literally was close to being a 2×4 with a few nails sticking out from it....she really meant business to mess with me! it was actually quite scary for a minute or two.

and again, to be honest, i really did decline her proposition as nicely as i could as i went on my way. i didnt embarass her. she did not disgust me. i did whati could to be accommodating so that we didnt draw eyes from people or cars passing by in the middle of makati ave that afternoon. i responded to her as politely as i possibly could, and went on my way.

now as i have thought about all of this sinxe my initial post yesterday, im wonsering of she mistook me for another guy....i suppose some of western dudes look a like - especially myself - me being clean-cut, relatively fit, and far skinned. i am often asked if im inthe US military...

an experience i wont soon forget.
my female companion often makes fun of me since then. she insists that the woman is bearing multiple children from me and is after me for not keeping up witt providing child support !  😅
Enzyte Bob
As kristopherryanwatson said . . . .

I have thought about all of this since my initial post yesterday, I'm wondering of she mistook me for another guy....I suppose some of western dudes look a like - especially myself - me being clean-cut, relatively fit, and far skinned. i am often asked if I'm in the US military...

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There is a lot of truth in that statement for me. In the US when my wife and I got separated in a store with a lot of aisles, it was easy to find her being a Filipina. On occasion I had to call her cell phone to find out what aisle she is in.

Now in S&R or Lander's. . . when I'm lost or separated, I wonder from aisle to aisle looking for her till I'm exhausted.
kristopherryanwatson
@Enzyte Bob

i couldnt relate more to this if i tried, with my ex partner in mind. same comical troublees arose whenever we were in SM or S&R on some occasions and decided to be tactful in hunting down what we needed by splitting up.

She phoning me and wondering which aisle i was in was her usual safety net too. or, if she had already acquired all the things we divied up from our list of things to get ahead of me, being the quick bunny that she is, would just tell me which cashier she was lined up for and insist i hurry my ass up.  she was always much more efficient tan i was. and thats really saying something.


by the way - apologies for my many apparent typos. i have been out running errands for most of today, so i am replying from my phone accordingly from within mobile chrome browser. 🙂
coach53
A snip from kristopherryanwatson. . . .i pray that she has sought help since that incident because she obviously has a psychological issue at hand. *
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Exactly the woman had some type of mental problems,
- @Enzyte Bob
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I suppuose NOT.  She just being Filipino   smile.png   (=Lose face culture combined with hot temperament.)
Its rather common (drunk) Filipinos kill even friends for some TINY lose face "reason". Even if not ment to kill, its big risk when knives are used in fights, which is common.
And when its some more serious issue as e g where the lot boundry is, then even some relatives have killed each other even both bleeding to death.  (And two of the few foreigners I know of have been killed RURAL, seem to be because of land disputes.)

- @coach53
coach53. . .How would you know she lost face and has a hot temperament?  So she is just being Filipino?

Kristopherryanwatson's  post is not about drunks, knives, lot boundaries, some place rural, a person being murdered by relatives. 

You say it's rather    "common"   that drunks kill even friends?

COMMON ?

coach53. . . I have nothing more to say to you on this topic.

- @Enzyte Bob
Its OBVIOUS. 
1. He had recejted her at "her turf" and went there with an other woman.
2. She  got angry when she saw it...

I cant help you dont understand  :)  the corelation with its rather common Filipinos kill each other when NOT ment to - by its common they use KNIVES in fights which make it easy to bleed to death even for basicly not so series injuries if the bleeding had been stoped -  while in Sweden its very rare anyone die in fights by the normal is only use BODY to fight... 
And what in the story say that Filipina wasnt some drunk or using drugs...
pike0072

@Moon Dog yep.  don't go.

kevin4586
Yes I have my wife 😀she would take out a SWATT team ,without any body amour and weapon's when she gets mad
kristopherryanwatson

@kevin4586

A true fiery Pinay !

They are not ones to be messed with.

kevin4586
Would face a lion 😂
kristopherryanwatson

@kevin4586

and 10 other girls who she saw you talking to!


sartechjf
I’ve never been confronted in all my travels. Fleeced by police. The police, quite frankly and in my experience, are worse than many locals.

I’ve had some long looks—maybe appraisals of how likely I might be or how capable I am of defending myself. I’ve had some locals harass me a little bit to “donate” or this or that, but I’ve never felt threatened or confronted.

Mexico and South America, I’ve always felt very safe—not safe from coppers. Cops can be dangerous.

South East Asia…. Meeehhhh. The Chinese nationals in the Philippines give me really dirty looks. But no one has ever bothered me. Some cab drivers have tried to screw me on metering…but not confrontationally.

I guess I’ve been really fortunate. And I’m grateful for that.
Lotus Eater
@kevin4586

And then we have the mother in law..
Guest9272
Around 2001, in the section on "Safety", I read in the Lonely Planet guide book (when it was still a mandatory travelling Bible), that Filipinos were more stealthy than overtly aggressive. They were more likely to pickpocket or trick a target out of money, than mug them. This was attributed to years of colonisation, and a mindset of self-subordination.

Over the years I've seen this mindset of Filipinos change. Not entirely a bad thing, but definitely a collective change in attitude.

As an "Americano" (which was the generic term for a random white guy), I was once awarded unmerited respect. At first it made me uneasy, but at the same time, made passage easier. Sometimes I was granted privilege I didn't deserve, and admit I didn't always resist it. For example, I wanted to see a cock fight, and it's like an entire crowd of energetic pundits collaborated to ensure I had a prime seat in the front row. Shamefully, that's where I happily sat.

Nowadays, nationals, especially in the cities,  have realised we expats are no more special than them. Call centre agents stay awake all night, regularly dealing with rednecks who are unable turn their computer printer on (rednecks is probably not the right term, apologies).  Point is, with increased familiarity, many of us don't particularly impress them.

In addition, there have been some very sleazy Western visitors to the Philippines, engaged in criminal activity, who've doubtless soiled our reputation - no need to extrapolate. Needless to say, I hope they get what they deserve.

Not aggression per se, but I've seen OFW's return to the Philippines for a vacation, and compete to be first in line. It's like they're making some point, to demand their right of respect, but instead come across as entitled or rude. If they want to push to the front, that's fine, although I do believe respect is a two-way transaction.

Philippines was never a particularly successful sporting nation. It's hard to have a world-class basketball team when the average height is 5 ft something. However, with the phenomenal success of Manny Pacquiao as a boxer, billed as the "best pound-for-pound fighter in the world", many of the young men exit from watching the fight with a new sense of pride and bravado. They identify with his prowess. This is a good thing because Manny has positively affected national pride, being an excellent role model. But...the young men seem to act differently now.

Have you seen the movies Filipinos are watching? It's not so much muscle-bound Hollywood heroes anymore, but Asian commandos. This a complete seachange, and a profound social influencer, as more and more Asian media is introduced. The younger generation are not listening to British or American music as much (although the karaoke playlist says differently), now K-Pop and pretty-boy Asian bands, or  Philippine death metal bands have emerged. Again their role models have changed. I believe, this also affects the way Filipinos relate to us as expats.

No doubt there is aggression, crime, and murder in the Philippines. The local newspapers attest to journalists' murders and waves of violent crime. It seems from reading the responses on this Blogg, however, that expats have been largely exempted from much of it. If it's not just a media blackout (in order to promote a positive image and tourism), then I do hope it remains like this for some time. But, the time is coming when situational awareness and defensive measures need to be considered. Timo62 has a pretty good idea about these things, I suspect.
coach53
In addition, there have been some very sleazy Western visitors to the Philippines, engaged in criminal activity, who've doubtless soiled our reputation - no need to extrapolate. Needless to say, I hope they get what they deserve.
Not only visiting sex tourists
there are criminals moving to Phils to get away from justice in their home countries  - and some specialy scammers even continue in Phils - as e g
/Norwegian, Britt and Australian or American big scammers continueing in Phils where serious criminals can PAY themselves out of risk for jail by paying victims to cancel the case  IF they bother to file a case, OR bribe the justice system.
/An American very high at FBI wanted list according to his frustrated abandoned Filipina wife, lived OPEN in Phils by bribing the Police  (before Duterte)
/An American pedophile, who was so stupid so he show in his Facebook showing where he was and prooves of he continued such crimes in Phils!!!  So US police found him and made Phils catch him and send him to USA to be put in jail there. 
/A Swedish drug criminal. (Not high level. Dead now.  It was some funny after he had died it was found out he had made an other type of crime too. His poor Filipina - abandonded - wife bothered enough anyway to ask me to call his brother in Sweden to try to get contact with his son - not hers - in Phils to pay the soon expiring cemetary fee. (I changed names)
-Hi. I am calling on behalf of the wife of your in the Philippes dead brother.
-Oh Olga?
- No, Jennalyn.
-???
-His wife in ythe Philippines.
-Oh did he marry there?!  He never divorced Olga...
:)
(It ended up with he would contact the son in Phils to see if he would bother to pay the fee.)

Philippines was never a particularly successful sporting nation. It's hard to have a world-class basketball team when the average height is 5 ft something. However, with the phenomenal success of Manny Pacquiao as a boxer, billed as the "best pound-for-pound fighter in the world", many of the young men exit from watching the fight with a new sense of pride and bravado. They identify with his prowess. This is a good thing because Manny has positively affected national pride, being an excellent role model. But...the young men seem to act differently now.
- @gsturdee
Yes, its funny Filipinos main sports are basketball and volleyball where being tall is a huge advantage   :)
They got a bronze medal though by Obiena in the latest World Championships in tracking field, pole vault!  (But being in dispute with the Phil national tracjing field federation, or what its called, accused of have scamed pay to his trainer, but Obiena side the trainer havent got paid fully. I have no idea which is true, but a hint can perhaps be the suppoused to be scammed money got paid out from the Federation...)

Beside boxing Filipinos take much pride in beauty queens    :)
Its good they get pride, BUT sad they bother far to much about superfisial things as beauty contests 1f630.svg  They have beauty contests in schools and "every" village!   A foreigner with a daughter in such school got very irritated at such, being very much against beauty contests, which even take time from ediucation!!! In an other school the students were rather long time occupied with exersising to a performance so teachers told the PARENTS to do the kids education assignments!!!  1f923.svg
((An ex was such local beauty queen   :)   but she never mensioned it herself, I just happened to see photos from the contest.  In Sweden the beauties skiped bothering even about Miss Sweden 30 years ago, so some BELOW average looking Swedish women wonn  1f923.svg before it got closed. But later more of the young Swedish became superfisial so a swim suit company started it again, but very few bother about who wonn. I have no idea of any of them, while back when Sweden bothered and even wonn at World level, then it was common knowledge who wonn.))


Guest9272
@coach53

Sad but true, that some dangerous individuals are evading justice, by means of the criminal/justice system itself.

It's like the whole marriage annulment debacle. Thanks to the conservatism of the Catholic church (and I'm largely a conservative person myself), divorce is not recognised in the Philippines. But...if you pay the judge enough, he/she will ensure that the marriage was never legally valid in the first place.  Like magic, it just never happened. 

I should have guessed you'd respond to a sports-related comment : )

Also, I marvelled at the prominence of beauty pageants in the Philippines, and noticed how many Filipinos can tell you with certain pride all the winning entrants they had over the years, in Miss Universe competitions etc. I'm not against pageants per se (if there is also an emphasis on personal and humanitarian accomplishment, and intelligence, in the judging criteria), which seems to be the direction they're heading. My wife was able to paraphrase the contestant answer of the last Philippines Miss Universe entrant, and nearly wet herself one time when we went through the Mactan International Airport. There was a buzz of excitement, as a former pageant winner was recognized moving through the crowd, and I thought i'd need to restrain her. (My wife, not the beauty queen - well my beauty queen). Better finish there...
coach53
Also, I marvelled at the prominence of beauty pageants in the Philippines, and noticed how many Filipinos can tell you with certain pride all the winning entrants they had over the years, in Miss Universe competitions etc. I'm not against pageants per se (if there is also an emphasis on personal and humanitarian accomplishment, and intelligence, in the judging criteria), which seems to be the direction they're heading.
- @gsturdee
Well. I have seen documentary cuts where participants have problem to even memorice simple "intelligence" answers others have told them.

An American beauty back when USA recent had conquered Iraq, but still unrest,  so I suppouse at US news daily:
-Which is the capital city of Iraq?
-E...e...e... Afganistan?
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Well. I have some doubt judges wanting to be involved in beauty contests have good judgement :)  wanting to be involved in such superfisial things.

There are some intellegent women among Filipino competitors though. It isnt odd if poor women want to try a "shortcut".  BUT if they continue to bother to much about beauty they have bad chance to become realy happy...

(One of my team mates back when we played soccer,  married Yvonne Ryding, who wonn the world beauty title, back when Sweden bothered.  Btw divorced.)
pnwcyclist
My GF loves those pageants - Miss Universe, Miss Philippines.. whatever. Sends me pics of all the hot chicks (can we still say that?)  but I'm honestly not interested. <yawn>... in Philippines there are beautiful women everywhere.

I tell her she is the Queen of Ayala, haha (the mall).. which she is.
Enzyte Bob
My GF loves those pageants - Miss Universe, Miss Philippines.. whatever. Sends me pics of all the hot chicks (can we still say that?)  but I'm honestly not interested. <yawn>... in Philippines there are beautiful women everywhere.

I tell her she is the Queen of Ayala, haha (the mall).. which she is.
- @pnwcyclist

You told your GF she is the Queen of Ayala and she replied you're the smartest man in the Philippines.
Lotus Eater
Filipina's constantly need reassurance because in the most part they lack confidence. They are incredibly jealous too and have to be handled like gelignite.

An example. My neighbour who is married to a Filipina has a property in Dauin near Dumaguete. Before they married they stayed at her parents house up in the mountains. They had a flaming row over something and he (no names lol) moved down to the coast and stayed at one of the dive resorts. He became friends with one of the girls who served at the Tikki bar but it was purely platonic.
On returning to the UK she discovered an innocuous text exchange between the two and the, ahem, volcano erupted. She would not talk with him for a week and I had to be the go between passing written messages between the two. In some ways it was quite comical. At one point out of pique she threatened to move in with me which fellow Forum readers put me in an extremely embarassing situation.
Slightly off topic - I have been invited to a Filipina wedding (my neighbours are going) here in Bath this coming weekend and to say that  there are various internecine issues with the Filipina guests attending is shall way say an understatement of gigantic proportions.
coach53
I told a Filipina she can suit as The Chips Queen   - Wood chips.  Not sure what she thought about that. 
But I find it better anyway than Chinese chips making people fat   :)

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