Permanent Residence Card - Type-D

AlexFromBelgium wrote:

If they want to play a shitty way, they can say that they've never received your request and so no process is ongoing...
It's absolutely mandatory that you receive the annexe 16bis, as it protect yourself from abuse...

Let's hope they don't play dirty...

Thanks Alex! I pushed them to make an entry in their systems. So, though they did not issue annexe 16bis, they do have an entry that I applied for Card D in October. Not sure, how legally valid this is, but at least something!

well at least they're honest and say that the query was done in October.
So you're fine.

Hi, have you got the D card now? If so, please let us know. Also, can you let me know if you are a permanent employee here (of a Belgian company or of a foreign company in Belgium) or on deputation in Belgium? Thanks.

Yes I did!
Employee of a Belgian company

therhapzody wrote:

Yes I did!
Employee of a Belgian company

Were you following the Special Tax Regime (RSI) when you requested D card?

Thank you.

therhapzody wrote:

Yes I did!
Employee of a Belgian company

Hi, so you applied it through woluwe saint lambert commune and waited for five months, you got it?
My I know the documents you provided?
Thanks

Here is a question:

Is there any additional procedure from switching B to D card? (Like apartment check, etc.) or just waiting 5 months while holding your B card still?

Hi, as I understand one of the criteria to be eligible for 'D' card is to prove "5 years of uninterrupted stay in Belgium."

Does anyone know since when does this counting period of 5 years uninterrupted stay start? From the time we arrive in Belgium (as per arrival date in passport) or the date from which our first residence permit is issued?

Abhi2010 wrote:

Hi, as I understand one of the criteria to be eligible for 'D' card is to prove "5 years of uninterrupted stay in Belgium."

Does anyone know since when does this counting period of 5 years uninterrupted stay start? From the time we arrive in Belgium (as per arrival date in passport) or the date from which our first residence permit is issued?

As far as I know, the counting starts from the date you receive your first Resident Permit

rajpnr wrote:

Abhi2010 wrote:

Hi, as I understand one of the criteria to be eligible for 'D' card is to prove "5 years of uninterrupted stay in Belgium."

Does anyone know since when does this counting period of 5 years uninterrupted stay start? From the time we arrive in Belgium (as per arrival date in passport) or the date from which our first residence permit is issued?

As far as I know, the counting starts from the date you receive your first Resident Permit

This is not always true because sometime they may have some delay to encode the information in the system. You need to ask the tawn hall and they will give you the information in their system about the start date of uninterrupted stay in Belgium.

I've arrived in Belgium in last day of May 2015 and received my first Resident Permit around end of July. I've sent a request to the commune few weeks back asking for the list of documents to send for my Permanent Residence application & the procedure for it (since communes are not completely open yet).

I've received an email response that the request has been sent to Foreign Office to request for Unlimited Permit. I did not receive any annexure.

By default does the commune requests for Card Type - B or D ? I understood from the forum that D - Card has a duration of 5 months to process. Is there specific time limit for Card Type - B ?

Is it recommended to get Card Type - B and to switch to Card Type - D later ?

Thank you in advance !

You should have been filling in the annexe 16, right?

If you've been working for 5 years, they'll ask the D card.
Else the B.

In both case, you should contact the commune and request them to give you the annexe 16bis (acknowledgment of reception).
Although if they did reply by email that they did send it, it can be considered as a proof.

And in both case, it takes 5 months.

I did not fill anything regarding my application AlexFromBelgium. I've just sent my email as enquiry (but I sent along with my national number).

I just received a response from them saying that request sent to Foreign Office for Unlimited Permit. Fortunately I could reach them by phone today (it was not the case earlier). They told me that the request submitted for Card Type - B . If I want to change to D, I should send some docs & they ll change it. They have also told me that mail can be kept as proof and no annexure

I've just sent the necessary documents in mail (nothing filled by myself though). Looking for a positive response !

rajpnr wrote:

I've arrived in Belgium in last day of May 2015 and received my first Resident Permit around end of July. I've sent a request to the commune few weeks back asking for the list of documents to send for my Permanent Residence application & the procedure for it (since communes are not completely open yet).

I've received an email response that the request has been sent to Foreign Office to request for Unlimited Permit. I did not receive any annexure.

By default does the commune requests for Card Type - B or D ? I understood from the forum that D - Card has a duration of 5 months to process. Is there specific time limit for Card Type - B ?

Is it recommended to get Card Type - B and to switch to Card Type - D later ?

Thank you in advance !

I don't want to discourage you but be careful that 5 year staying is counted from the issuance date of your 1st A card.

If you received A card at the end of July 2015, I think it'd be safer to wait until end of July to submit the request. A friend of mine got rejected by Brussels because he's 10 days in short to meet 5 year even though Antwerp said OK.

Good luck.

hoangtrunghieu wrote:

rajpnr wrote:

I've arrived in Belgium in last day of May 2015 and received my first Resident Permit around end of July. I've sent a request to the commune few weeks back asking for the list of documents to send for my Permanent Residence application & the procedure for it (since communes are not completely open yet).

I've received an email response that the request has been sent to Foreign Office to request for Unlimited Permit. I did not receive any annexure.

By default does the commune requests for Card Type - B or D ? I understood from the forum that D - Card has a duration of 5 months to process. Is there specific time limit for Card Type - B ?

Is it recommended to get Card Type - B and to switch to Card Type - D later ?

Thank you in advance !

I don't want to discourage you but be careful that 5 year staying is counted from the issuance date of your 1st A card.

If you received A card at the end of July 2015, I think it'd be safer to wait until end of July to submit the request. A friend of mine got rejected by Brussels because he's 10 days in short to meet 5 year even though Antwerp said OK.

Good luck.

Thank you for the info ! I actually did not request for my Permanent Residence. My email to the commune was only a query about the documents to submit if I apply. I sent them my National Number thinking that it may help them to check when they want me to send documents.

But the response for my query was , request sent to foreign office for Unlimited Permit. I don't know how they've applied ! Fingers crossed.

By default communes (majority) choose type B. If you want type D, you need to mention it explicitly.

Aneesh wrote:

By default communes (majority) choose type B. If you want type D, you need to mention it explicitly.

Thank you for the info Aneesh / hoangtrunghieu / AlexFromBelgium.

Commune is open today and I've visited. Indeed as expected they have applied for Card-B for me already - 2 days back.

I've shown them my first Resident card copy which I received on my first arrival in Belgium and have asked if I'm eligible to apply for Permanent Residence already. They did not check the date on my card but said my B - Card is already applied two days back.

I've then told them that  I sent the necessary documents for applying D - Card in email. They have verified the documents sent in email in-front of me and said they're applying for D - Card. I have no clear response if I'm already eligible to apply.

The Date of my first Resident Permit is by Last Week of July. I've received the Annexure - 16 bis as a proof of my application for Card - D today.

rajpnr wrote:

Aneesh wrote:

By default communes (majority) choose type B. If you want type D, you need to mention it explicitly.

Thank you for the info Aneesh / hoangtrunghieu / AlexFromBelgium.

Commune is open today and I've visited. Indeed as expected they have applied for Card-B for me already - 2 days back.

I've shown them my first Resident card copy which I received on my first arrival in Belgium and have asked if I'm eligible to apply for Permanent Residence already. They did not check the date on my card but said my B - Card is already applied two days back.

I've then told them that  I sent the necessary documents for applying D - Card in email. They have verified the documents sent in email in-front of me and said they're applying for D - Card. I have no clear response if I'm already eligible to apply.

The Date of my first Resident Permit is by Last Week of July. I've received the Annexure - 16 bis as a proof of my application for Card - D today.

hello,

I hope that it will work.

In my case I had my first RP in Belgium on the 17th of August. I sent an email to the commune to ask about the actual start date of my residence in Belgium and they informed me that it is the 26th of August.

I will wait until end of August /beginning of September to make my request for D card.

In addition, I saw in annex 17 delivered in case of rejection a list of reasons for rejection. On of these reasons is "prematured request".

Rajpnr,
I hope your card D application will go through. By the time your request is processed, if you complete 5 years from date-of-issue of your first RP, you are good.

Hey guys,

Did anyone come to belgium as a student, got a job after school and applied for a permanent permit D or other? Was the school years counted as part of the 5 years of stay? I read, half of your student years is counted but I want to know if they really dig into that. I had an A card for 2 years as a student and immediately got a job and got a 3 year single permit. Do you think they are very strict with the counting of 'half' the student years?

Hello

School time is never taken into account.
Your counter starts when you switch from student to worker.

The government website particularly states your school years are counted as half. You can check from the link below. Thanks for your input by the way. https://dofi.ibz.be/sites/dvzoe/FR/Guid … gique.aspx

You're right, my bad, I did mix it with the other topics on the Belgian nationality where it's not taken into account

Well, as you spend 2 years as a student with an A card, 1 year will be counted!

AlexFromBelgium wrote:

You're right, my bad, I did mix it with the other topics on the Belgian nationality where it's not taken into account

Well, as you spend 2 years as a student with an A card, 1 year will be counted!

AFAIK, it's is only when you apply for D card. For B card application, the study time won't be counted.

Hi everyone ,there is a news doing the rounds that as of September 2020 , the time spent in Belgium while working for a non-Belgian employer will not be taken into account when calculating the legal 5 years mandatory for Type D ID cards .

Can someone explain if this new law only applies to those who entered Belgium from the date this law came into force or this applies to everyone irrespective of landing date ?

Here is a link to a news about this law in question : 5 years of legal stay requirements Change

Here is the link I mentioned in my last post : https://www.ey.com/en_be/tax/tax-alerts … slGy6Fy344

I have an additional question to Jose Baby who provided the EY link for the new law that was enforced since Sep 2020.

In a situation that I am an expat working for non-Belgian firm here having card type A. My wife being a dependent also has card type A (unlimited) so she got a job here and is working for a local Belgian company. Now as per the new law, an expat (not paying social security) can not apply for Card B/D. In my situation, even if I am not eligible, can my wife apply for permanent residency once she completes her 5 years of stay here as she would be employed with local company here and paying social security while she is still a dependent and I am the main applicant on type A. (Unfortunately the new law also restricted inhouse change of status of work permit, so she cant now apply for single permit)

Hi Vijesh , Sorry but I am not sure if your wife can apply or not as I myself am not sure of what this new law is all about . Its better to check with the commune
Meanwhile , the website of the ministry does not say anything regarding this new law yet . See here : https://dofi.ibz.be/sites/dvzoe/FR/Guid … gique.aspx

I strongly doubt the credibility of what your "ey" link is stating.

I quickly check tonight and I see no modification of the current laws:
* Directive 2003/109 / EC of the Council of the European Union of 25/11/2003 relating to the status of third-country nationals who are long-term residents
* Law of 15/12/1980 on the access, stay, establishment and removal of foreigners
* Royal decree of 08/10/1981 on the access, stay, establishment and removal of foreigners
which are still the current laws.
Neither is there any official update on the immigration website (dofi), neither the region.

And, as far as I can remember, I didn't read/watch any news on TV/newspapers about that topic... and I would assume that some known far-right political party would have spam it everywhere as a kind of victory for "their cause"...



So, I give no credit to that website until I can read an official source... Correct me if I'm wrong

shaans wrote:

Hello,

I had applied for Permanent Residence Card -  Type-B in September 2018 in 1000 Commune Brussels. But there was no answer until March 2019 so when i visited the commune again to check status they asked me to apply for Permanent Residence Card -  Type-D saying it is more benefit with this card, I applied for it and they gave me Annexe 16 and told me within 5 months time i must get the answer. Now i am nearing to the completion of 5 months (August 2019) and there is still no answer.

Does any body have any experience in getting Permanent Residence Card -  Type-D? Could you pleae share your experience. What will happen if 5 months is completed and no answer?


Thanks in advance for your help.

Dear sir
I want want o information I am living in belgium since 2004 i have residence card type D which one is chang konw types L so my question is this with D card I take a cpas or if I take a cpas its a problem or not
Thanks
Best regards

Belgian Mutuality:
Hello Everyone,
I am new to Belgium. I came to know that mutuality is very important in Belgium. Which is the better mutuality in Belgium?  I live in Zaventem.
I am confused between CM mutual and Partenamut?
What is the process to take one mutual. Do I have go via my employer only or I can buy in myself?

thank you.

@vickykaushal Go for Partena, which is now called Helan. They are very good at helping english speakers atleast.

Hello Alex.

Me and my family have been together in Belgium since our arrival in 2014.
I received my Permanent Residence Card Type-D this month.

My query was whether my dependent and non-working spouse and children who currently have the type-A card will also get the type - D card.

Regards.

- @allwyn Maybe this is very old question from you. However, I would like to know what is the type of card that is offered to the family member of D card type holder? If they have worked les than 5 years in Belgium.

I have a question regarding L card, I didn't want to open up a new thread from scratch. Does L card present access to work market also, I mean do I still need sponsorship from an employer to work in Belgium?

- @oozkan