Hungarian Simplified Naturalization--legal assessment needed

deelindsay wrote:

I am curious if my cousin and I qualify for Hungarian citizenship by descent. 

Can anyone recommend a lawyer that could analyze our situation before going through the process of collecting, translating and certifying a bunch of documents?  Our situation has a couple of complications that need an expert opinion.

Thanks,

There's lots of information and well informed people in these forums. 

Post your question in the right thread and you'll get quite a bit of helpful info.

Hi, my name is Susan, I'm a hungarian nationality fanily history researcher.
I'm not an attorney or laweyer, but I do researches about the simplified hungarian naturalization.  Acquire the citizenship status may have not in only one process.
Different possibility, if an ancestor leave his/her citizenship, and another line, if an ancestor' has/had his/her citizenship. In the first case need the simplified naturalization process, at the second case not. At the second case, if the ancestor' has the Hungarian citizenship, only need prove it, and the client will be the originaléy Hungarian citizen.

If your problem still existing, I can able assist you!

Susan

In any case-I suggest you to get in touch with Mi Hazànk Mozgalom
(toroczkai.laszlo@mihazank.hu).

What if your grandmother was a citizen of Austria /Hungary?
Born in 1902?
Is that too far back and do they consider citizens of the old regime Hungarians?
Can show the family lived in the same area for nearly 300 years time.
She moved to the USA around the late 1920's but never gave up her European citizenship or became a US citizen.

Can you explain the content of the comment?
Zsuzsánna (Susan)

Dear Marylyn! Austria/Hungary was a Dualist State. These were two States with concrete borders.
At first I need to exactly know, what was the birth place of  "the grandmother".  After this I can say opinions.
Susan

zsuzsannacsaladkutatas wrote:

Dear Marylyn! Austria/Hungary was a Dualist State. These were two States with concrete borders.
At first I need to exactly know, what was the birth place of  "the grandmother".  After this I can say opinions.
Susan

Kunkowa now in Poland.
Near Gorlice, Poland.
6 km north of Slovakia. It was part of what was known as Galicia.
My father was also born in the same house, number 19 but in 1921 when it was part of Poland.
Just curious, I have HU citizenship forms here that still need to be filled out. My husband and son are HU citizens and I've lived here long enough to give HU citizenship a try out. See if they reject me or not.
I do not speak Hungarian but I am 66 and perhpas they may let that slide?
Thanks Susan for any in put, just mostly curious because going through the Polish route may be harder then going just through being married to a HU citizen in the long run.
It's all good rejected or not.

Dear Marilyn!

Your story is a very interesant!

Historical side:
During the period under study, when your ancestors lived in Kunkowa, the settlement was not in Hungary. This does not preclude people of Hungarian nationality from living there.

Political side:
This territory was an administrated territory by Austrian Empire, and not by the Hungarian Kingdom.
Important, that what was the religion of your ancestors.  ... and what nationalities did they claim to be in the emigration censuses?

Questions:
-Do you know their religions
-Have you any documets about the immigration?
-Have you any document abou their nationality? F.e.: made declaration as a Hungarian.

Susan

Wow, that was interesting info. Thanks.
My grandmother and grandfather on my father's side were both what is called:  Rusyn/Rusnak/Lemko
Their religion was Eastern-Greek- Orthodox
My grandfather however was born in the USA from immigrant parents.He and they totally idenified themselves are Rus/Rusyn and hardly spoke English.
Most immigrant first generation peple in the US kept their old customs and language.
My father went to school with nothing but other immigrant children from everywhere. German, Jewish,Italian ,Hungarian and more.
They all learned English together in school and perhaps taught a bit to their parents.
I know my grandfather in Conn. was hard to talk to, old fashioned and barely spoke English even though he was born in the US.
He went as a teenager to visit his uncles over in Ruthenia and got himself drafted into the Czars Army.
He was gone from the US for so long they questioned him at the US boarder when he finally came back. Asked him why he was gone so long and why didn't he just stay away!
I am not sure since it was nearly 100 years ago when my father came to the US how to find his immigration papers.
Strangely enough, he later in life married his second wife who was a US born Hungarian. They had a big fight once because she decided to clean house and tossed away some of his old papers from Poland.
I know he was really upset because he spoke about it often.
Probably was his immigration paperwork.
He was around 7 when he arrived in the US with his mother and baby sister, auntie Olga.
I guess I'll have to forget about my, "Hungarian connection" through my own family.
I do know by seeing a family tree that we intermarried allot with Hungarians. Many Hungarian surnames in the family tree.
We were able to visit Kunkowa and that area about 7 years ago.
Some of my US cousins perhaps twice removed related on my grandmothers side were also able to attend our reunion.
We met at least 14 relations who still live in the area and some  spoke perfect English. Was a great time.
We had a tour of several churches and they explained the customs in English for our little group. We torued the Ruysn Grease Museum, a small museum where we learned about how the people supported themsevles by making fine axle grease and exportingit all over Europe. Saw the trails they traveled on and they went to Budapest all the time.
There were about 12 people listed as being seriusly involved in that trade and 5 of those listed had my maiden surname, really surprised me as I never knew anything about ann axle grease trade before.
Saw the local church sadly it was locked up that day but it was probably where my father had been baptised as a baby. Build in wood by the locals around 1856.
Walked around the graveyard with my cousins looking for family names but didn't find any, of course it was raining heavy when we were there.
Had a family dinner with about 14 people at the B&B we stayed in, owned by another family member on the lake.
There were 2 very elderly laides there, aged 94 at the time and 86.
They didn't speak English but remembered my family, one said, "didn't they leave in 1939"?
After dinner before we broke up the party the 2 older ladies sang a Ruysn folk song for us "lost sheep" who had returned home. Made us all tear up it was so sweet.
The last night we were there one cousin, a teacher who's husband also was a teacher threw  us all a house party.
Complete with guitar and accordian music played live. Polka dancing and singing.
When we arrived at the party we all sort of lined up to be introduced to each other.
One of the visiting cousins of mine who looks so much like my deceased sister was born in Budapest and her husband is Hungarian. They live in the UK and are doctors in Kent.
As we kissed and hugged on meeting everyone something very funny happened.
Over there people kiss on the cheek 3 times, not just twice.
As my Hungarian husband was being introduced to a relation in his 80's the older man was told my husband was Hungarian. My relation got so excited that he kissed my husband on each cheek and then just sort of pulled him closer and gave him a huge smack/kiss on the mouth!
It was crazy and funny. One cousins said, guess he really likes Hungarians.
My poor husband turned red as a beet but soon got over it after a few shots of homemade honey brandy.
It was a magical few days.
Thanks again for your information it was very helpful.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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As my Hungarian husband was being introduced to a relation in his 80's the older man was told my husband was Hungarian. My relation got so excited that he kissed my husband on each cheek and then just sort of pulled him closer and gave him a huge smack/kiss on the mouth!
It was crazy and funny. One cousins said, guess he really likes Hungarians.
My poor husband turned red as a beet but soon got over it after a few shots of homemade honey brandy.
It was a magical few days.
Thanks again for your information it was very helpful.

That bit made me laugh.  I'm kissing Hungarians every day.  Well one of them anyway!

fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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As my Hungarian husband was being introduced to a relation in his 80's the older man was told my husband was Hungarian. My relation got so excited that he kissed my husband on each cheek and then just sort of pulled him closer and gave him a huge smack/kiss on the mouth!
It was crazy and funny. One cousins said, guess he really likes Hungarians.
My poor husband turned red as a beet but soon got over it after a few shots of homemade honey brandy.
It was a magical few days.
Thanks again for your information it was very helpful.

That bit made me laugh.  I'm kissing Hungarians every day.  Well one of them anyway!

It was very funny, my husband nw tells me my entire family is off it's rocker!
I think my old relation had been dipping into the brandy before we arrived!

Kissing! That's a good one! I am now wondering how my husband will handle the cheek kissing thing if it happens. ;D

My husband is 2nd generation American, descended from Hungarian grandparents.  When folks from Europe see him or our kids, they ask where they are from because they look European.  We are planning a spring visit to Hungary.  First time ever.  We are studying the language, watching programs and looking into citizenship by descent.  Hope we can connect with some English-speaking Expats in the Tokaj region. 

If there is a better thread for info on citizenship and/or Tokaj, please direct me there.

Thank you. köszönöm

-Sepety4

    Kissing! That's a good one! I am now wondering how my husband will handle the cheek kissing thing if it happens. ;D My husband is 2nd generation American, descended from Hungarian grandparents.  When folks from Europe see him or our kids, they ask where they are from because they look European.  We are planning a spring visit to Hungary.  First time ever.  We are studying the language, watching programs and looking into citizenship by descent.  Hope we can connect with some English-speaking Expats in the Tokaj region.  If there is a better thread for info on citizenship and/or Tokaj, please direct me there.Thank you. köszönöm -Sepety4        -@Sepety4

We're off topic and an old topic but well, so what....

I actually like the kissing thing.  People are much more affectionate than my fellow country(wo)men.  People are far too silly about it.

I'm working in another country temporarily.  A guy I work with from this specific country gave me a hug.   We were all terribly concerned about him as we were shocked to hear he'd been in hospital with a serious heart condition.  I think he was feeling quite vulnerable and wanted contact with people and to show human "solidarity".  Life's too short etc.

I was surprised but happy to receive a hug. And as a human being, I think he deserved to be hugged back! 

There's an extremely long thread on Simplified Naturalization below as well as a few much shorter threads.

My father's maternal grandmother (my great-grandmother) was born in what is the present day Košice region of Slovakia. Her husband (my great-grandfather) was born in America, but both of his parents were also from the Košice region. The was in the mid and late 1800s. They were Magyar speaking and identified as Hungarian Jews (my father's side of the family is Jewish). Would I potentially be eligible for simplified naturalization?

My father's maternal grandmother (my great-grandmother) was born in what is the present day Košice region of Slovakia. Her husband (my great-grandfather) was born in America, but both of his parents were also from the Košice region. The was in the mid and late 1800s. They were Magyar speaking and identified as Hungarian Jews (my father's side of the family is Jewish). Would I potentially be eligible for simplified citizenship?

Descent from an ancestor born in Kosice when it was part of Hungary should qualify. But you'll need a complete chain of birth and marriage certificates showing your descent from the Hungarian ancestor.

Before 1895, churches (and temples) kept the birth registers in Hungary. So your first step would be to find your ancestor's birth record.